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Anybody else drank the Crossfit Koolaid?
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How do you want me to prove my 5 or 10K time to you, and what do you consider a respectable time? I have video of cleans (305#) and back squat (440# ass to grass) dated within 60 days. I'm running a 5K at Lake Norman State Park, Mooresville, NC on October 11th to benefit mothers who've lost children. I anticipate running the 5K in about 23 (ish) minutes. So if you want to register and join our community, we'd be happy to have you. 25$ registration fee and whatever money you want to give me for this bet I will give to the foundation. That's a promise! Below is a link for you to register.
https://www.facebook.com/runforheavenssake
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Put your money where your mouth is pard!
Good deal.
We have this handled! The 5k can substitute for the 10k I was talking about. Though there's certainly a big difference between running a 8min mile 5k and a 8m mile 10k. That combined with lifting that weight for a clean and squat is what I was getting at, very rare.
BUT
That'll do pig That'll do.
We have this handled! The 5k can substitute for the 10k I was talking about. Though there's certainly a big difference between running a 8min mile 5k and a 8m mile 10k. That combined with lifting that weight for a clean and squat is what I was getting at, very rare.
BUT
That'll do pig That'll do.
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And what the hell, where are all you timmy tough tits at when it comes time for race day in texas?
I've got the tough mudder dallas and houston and the 1/2 marathon coming up soon and all my buds are hurt or have bullshit to go to like weddings.
I've got the tough mudder dallas and houston and the 1/2 marathon coming up soon and all my buds are hurt or have bullshit to go to like weddings.
I said we have this handled tough guy didn't I.
That means the important people are in on it. Him and I.
I don't know about Texas. I do know when a man says he has "cash money" he better back it up and not crawfish out.
Dude, don't act all mad when you call someone out and then have to eat crow. Shit isn't "handled". You ran your suck talking about how something can't be done. I tried to accept your bet, posted it publicly, and now that you know you'll have to pay up you're crawfishing. So next time think before you start talking shit…numb nuts.
The fucking bet wasn't with you. Are you an asvab waiver or something?
As I said, numb nuts. Shit is handled.
As I said, numb nuts. Shit is handled.
After I took my ASVAB they told me I could do whatever I wanted in the mil, so no, I didn't get a waiver. Still doesn't change the fact you ran your suck and got called out.
Texas Crawfish. I can't wait to go read your PM to Josie and see how it's "handled".
Texas Crawfish. I can't wait to go read your PM to Josie and see how it's "handled".
It kind of seemed like the bet would be with him from here. Your post said " I've got cash money says Josie can't do X" and the very next post (from rgrmike) says he has cash money that says Josie can. Follow-up post suggested terms of the bet. Looked like a bet in the making to me.
So what's the bet that's handled between you and Josie? Since it was a challenge on a public forum, may as well keep the bet public, no?
The bet is he can or can't do what he said he can. If he does I'll make a donation to his organization of choice. If he doesn't, well we never went over that.
My initial post was a challenge for a 10k. He will be doing a 5k here soon, so I'm just going with it. He shows me the video's for his recent clean and squat.
And I'm taking his word on a 23min or less 5k.
The man can or can't. I hope he can, as a 5k with an 8min average is easier than a 10k doing the same thing.
End of story.
My initial post was a challenge for a 10k. He will be doing a 5k here soon, so I'm just going with it. He shows me the video's for his recent clean and squat.
And I'm taking his word on a 23min or less 5k.
The man can or can't. I hope he can, as a 5k with an 8min average is easier than a 10k doing the same thing.
End of story.
Meh, your numbers are respectable. Not bad but not great either especially when accounting for all your years training. How much do you weigh if i may ask? When you say your in your best shape due to crossfit, are you forgetting your years training which has built you up to this point in your trainin life? I would guess your previous years is hugely responsible for where your at, and not crossfit. I would also say a respectable 5k would be right at the 20min or under. Typical average runners are doing the 5k in the 20-25 min mark. Crossfitters should do better being that they claim to be fitter. Winners usually fall in the 14-16 min mark.
For comparison purposes, after many years of being inactive i got my shit together and started training again. I went from a measly 185lb squat to 415lbs at a body weight of 148lbs within 1 year of training two years ago. I've also ran the 5k with brother in law at just under 20min without even training to run. Hardly any low intensity cardio was in my programming. My training has gone to shit after having my first kid and taking a second job, so no training for me now
Maybe just maybe my training protocol produced better results? Food for thought.
JBNj said:I would also say a respectable 5k would be right at the 20min or under. Typical average runners are doing the 5k in the 20-25 min mark. Crossfitters should do better being that they claim to be fitter. Winners usually fall in the 14-16 min mark.
For comparison purposes, after many years of being inactive i got my shit together and started training again. I went from a measly 185lb squat to 415lbs at a body weight of 148lbs within 1 year of training two years ago. I've also ran the 5k with brother in law at just under 20min without even training to run. Hardly any low intensity cardio was in my programming. My training has gone to shit after having my first kid and taking a second job, so no training for me now
I've been seriously running for over a decade, to include numerous 10M/halfs and the Chicago Marathon, a countless 5K/10Ks....my 5K PR is 22:08.
If a "respectable" 5K is sub-6:30 miles then I guess I suck.
Meh, your numbers are respectable. Not bad but not great either especially when accounting for all your years training. How much do you weigh if i may ask? When you say your in your best shape due to crossfit, are you forgetting your years training which has built you up to this point in your trainin life? I would guess your previous years is hugely responsible for where your at, and not crossfit. I would also say a respectable 5k would be right at the 20min or under. Typical average runners are doing the 5k in the 20-25 min mark. Crossfitters should do better being that they claim to be fitter. Winners usually fall in the 14-16 min mark.
For comparison purposes, after many years of being inactive i got my shit together and started training again. I went from a measly 185lb squat to 415lbs at a body weight of 148lbs within 1 year of training two years ago. I've also ran the 5k with brother in law at just under 20min without even training to run. Hardly any low intensity cardio was in my programming. My training has gone to shit after having my first kid and taking a second job, so no training for me now
Maybe just maybe my training protocol produced better results? Food for thought.
Check this out dude, in the post that got all of this started about the rock climber, the gymnast, and the crossfitter doing their respectable pullups, I CLEARLY was making the comparison that I thought the rock climber and gymnast were "specialist" at what they do and that they most likely are not well rounded athletes. My comparison is that competitive CrossFitters ARE well rounded and that the athletes in that example MOST LIKELY are not. The 300# clean, 400# squat, 500# deadlift, 325# bench press, 275# clean & jerk, 225# snatch, and a respectable 5-10K times (8 min/mile or better) are examples of what a well rounded athlete is. End of fucking story guy.
Any little ole fella in the world can sit in his grandma's basement CLAIMING all the things he can do. But unless you want to confirm that shit right here right now on this public forum go pound sand. PROVE it, or you can meet me somewhere on the East Coast here in mid October and we'll let our brothers in arms here on the hide decide what the physical conditioning test is and we'll go head to head. And lets add a stress shoot to it while our heart rate is 175 bpm. I'll tell you right now pard, I work with some hard pipe hitting bro's over here who workout 365 day a year and aren't as well rounded athletes as you CLAIM to be. I'm calling you a fucking liar right now bud. There was no reason to get personal about all this as its just opinions but now you have to chime in and act a fool. Post your shit here today or get back to playing World of Witch Craft or D&D.
Just so you know an 18min 3 mile time is 100% on the Marines PT test and not every one of those Devil Dogs score that high. To meet the Ranger standard you must run 5 miles in under 40 mins, average 8 min mile. A High Bar Back Squat full range of motion is hip joint below the knee. So don't go loading that bar up and just bend your knees a little and call that a fucking squat guy. I want to see your little 150 pound ass parallel squat 415#. Go look up Chris Spealler and tell me your more fit than he is.......even a better question, why haven't you been WINNING those CrossFit Games and earning that $250K prize money + all the endorsements. Give me a break, go troll somewhere else you fuckin hobbit.
To answer your question, I'm 5'9" 190lbs and 35 years old. AND never have taken steroids or and other illegal performance enhancer just in case that is your next claim or accusation.
Man, I would love to earn that time but I don't see it in my near future haha. Congratulations on those times though!
If you are anywhere near Charlotte, NC we would love to have you run in a charity 5K that my wife is hosting. The links for registration are in one of the above posts.
I been doing CF since 2009. I am 40 now and my life changed for the better. it worked for me, but I also embraced a lifestyle change with good diet. I feel good, and look good too.
Just to shared some information, you need to find what works for you. This worked for me...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O6XV-5kYUU
Just to shared some information, you need to find what works for you. This worked for me...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O6XV-5kYUU
"Respectable" is subjective and was more geared to the crossfitter who thinks crossfit is producing the "fittest man". With that said surely a crossfitter should do better than an average runner. Won't comment on your results without knowing the full picture of your training. And I won't get into genetic limits.
My post wasn't meant to brag about my personal accomplishments. Just to put things into perspective. I would like to see results for average joe couch potato with 1 year of training crossfit to see where they stand against a well balance strength routine.(when I say well balanced strength routine im not talking liftin like a powerlifter, but taking some key points from powerlifters and applying it with other training protocols.) imo strength is probally the most important attribute when it comes to fitness and has a trickle down effect into other areas of fitness. Afterall a muscle that requires less energy to complete a task is more efficient.
First your right the discussion was originally about kipping. And how glassman studied gymnasts, branded crossfit yada yada. He is also fat and doesn't train what he preaches but a bunch of yahoos rave how it's the best thing. The video was to demonstrate the gymnast doing a 1finger pull-up and the strength required. Pretty impressive. Your right anybody can lay claim to anything they want without proof. I wasn't trying to attack you as some of your other posts leave me to believe you have a good foundation of knowledge, but my logical thinking kicks in when I'm questioning a subject. The only proof i have is not really proof. Videos of my 6month mark in my training aren't going to show you what i claim. But it would be foolish to think i didn't accomplish those lifts 6 months later. I'm not here to have a dick measuring contest. You claim to be well rounded or try to be through crossfit. I just feel there are better ways to go about it and still produce better results without the additional risk of injury. Bottom line your doing something that you enjoy so keep it up. And I won't stoop to the level of insults cause it doesn't solve a dam thing. We both strive to be a better us. We will follow different paths and agree to disagree on certain matters. Good day to you sir.
Edit to add, I asked about your weight not for illegal enhancer concerns. I personally don't believe in any supplement legal or illegal. Diet is everything. I was asking your weight for strength standard comparisons. http://www.exrx.net/Testing/WeightLifting/StrengthStandards.htm
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Meh, your numbers are respectable. Not bad but not great either especially when accounting for all your years training. How much do you weigh if i may ask? When you say your in your best shape due to crossfit, are you forgetting your years training which has built you up to this point in your trainin life? I would guess your previous years is hugely responsible for where your at, and not crossfit. I would also say a respectable 5k would be right at the 20min or under. Typical average runners are doing the 5k in the 20-25 min mark. Crossfitters should do better being that they claim to be fitter. Winners usually fall in the 14-16 min mark.
For comparison purposes, after many years of being inactive i got my shit together and started training again. I went from a measly 185lb squat to 415lbs at a body weight of 148lbs within 1 year of training two years ago. I've also ran the 5k with brother in law at just under 20min without even training to run. Hardly any low intensity cardio was in my programming. My training has gone to shit after having my first kid and taking a second job, so no training for me now
Maybe just maybe my training protocol produced better results? Food for thought.
Dude….Do you know what a squat is?
Rich Froning: has a listed 455lb back squat.
Matt Fraser: 485lb back squat.
Jason Khalipa: 450lb back squat.
Tommy Hackenbruck: 525 back squat.
Ben Smith: 480lb back squat.
These guys all finished in the top 10 in the WORLD at the Crossfit Games. None of them weigh less than 180lbs. Performance counts, talk is cheap. They had to successful navigate the open and regionals which is no easy task. Just to make it to regionals is a huge accomplishment. I can tell you from experience that having a 400lb legit, below parallel back squat is no joke. Anybody can put a bunch of weight on a bar, get underneath it and drop 4" and say they "squatted" it. Then they get laughed out of the room by the guys who actually know what they're doing.
I would think someone with your superior genetics, training discipline, and motivation should go to the games next year and win all of that prize money. At 148 lbs you should be able to crush everyone in all the bodyweight exercises. With your impressive lifting numbers I'm sure you'll shock the crowd… HAHA
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Yes i know what a squat is. Do you know who Kyle keough is? Or some other lifter that actually squat more than those guys you listed above. Top 10 in the world in crossfit doesn't fascinate me due to the fact is not all the top athletes in the world competed in the crossfit games.
Kyle keough 148lb lifter, walk around weight 155-160lbs
Kyle Keough (148): 1405-lb. Total, RUM VII - YouTube
And since you want to be facinated if i know what a squat is here ya go. Don't pay attention to that ugly mug.
This was the last set (as many reps as possible)set of Wendler 5/3/1 afterwards i ended up maxing out
Form check 295lb squat x7 rep pr. BW 145lb - YouTube
345lbs after 5 months of training usin Wendler 5/3/1 variation, beginning six months to a little after 1 year smolov jr was my squat routine mainly.
Form check 345lb squat max effort 15lb Pr. BW 145lb - YouTube
Apparently my gym had a strict no cellphone video recording policy which is why I don't have further videos of my pr. Never claimed to be the fastest or strongest or fittest just posted my results. People like kyle keough and others are pushing some serious weight around for little guys.
Well. I'm glad to see my thread has become so popular. I'll give yall a little update. I took about a 1 month hiatus from crossfit to do a ridiculously low calorie diet which I'm sure wasn't health but I dpnt give a fuck. It got rid of about 25 lbs so I'm happy with that. I've now brought my calorie intake up to 800-1000 a day and started back to crossfit. I was rucking and running while doing the low cal. I lost a little bit of strength but not much. I'm going to do about 2 more weeks of this calorie intake which should bring me down to about 250. Im at 261 right now. Was 313 last Sept. Dont laugh fuckers. It could happen to you and it sucks greatly. I am now down to where I feel I can have a more effective workout and burn more calories. So I'm still doing crossfit and still making progress. Once I get to 250lb I'll raise my calories up to about 1800 and try to lose the rest of the weight ina "healthy" way. My eeventual goal is 215-220lb. Im 6'0 and when I went and got on one of those bodyfat analysis machimes at the doctor it said I had 197 lb of lean mass so he agreed 220 would be a comfortable weight to maintain for me. Who knows if I get that far down I may go for it and try to get all ripped and shit but that is a long way off. Right now I'll just take it a lb at a time. I leave in three weeks to go to Wyoming for an elk hunt which is what got all this started. Now I hope next year to do a tough mudder. Fitness is addictive and once you see some results its hard to quit. Because at the end of the day being fat sucks a d there is just no way around that.
Hey genius. Did you know that when you starve yourself (which 800-1000 calories does) your body conserves its fat reserves and eats your existing muscle.
So that 25 pounds you lost..............was in all likelihood mostly muscle.
Good job.
Now start being smart and get to a well rounded diet that is calorie limited. And no 1000 per day is still far too little for a 250 pound man that is doing crossfit.
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If it was then ive lost 5 inches of muscle right around my waist. Dude you are a world class douche bag. I mean it's fine if you don't agree with the way other people chose to do things but there is really no reason to just be a dick all the time. Like the other dude said I'll do what Im doing and you do what you do. Fuck, thats why I hate posting on this forum
Nice job on 345, its a long way off from 415 but at least you use full range of motion. However, none of your examples help your argument of what a well rounded athlete is. Kyle Keough is a specialist....a power lifter. Show me someone who is a triathlete "type" of athlete, proficient in body weight gymnastics movements, Olympic weightlifting, and power lifting movements. That is what these threads are about. Your not helping yourself by giving examples of your Wendler squat program or Kyle Keough's power lifting numbers. We're talking about FITNESS, not just strength, and not just someone who can run a 16 min 5K. Show me someone who can do it all dude that is the argument here
Well. I'm glad to see my thread has become so popular. I'll give yall a little update. I took about a 1 month hiatus from crossfit to do a ridiculously low calorie diet which I'm sure wasn't health but I dpnt give a fuck. It got rid of about 25 lbs so I'm happy with that. I've now brought my calorie intake up to 800-1000 a day and started back to crossfit. I was rucking and running while doing the low cal. I lost a little bit of strength but not much. I'm going to do about 2 more weeks of this calorie intake which should bring me down to about 250. Im at 261 right now. Was 313 last Sept. Dont laugh fuckers. It could happen to you and it sucks greatly. I am now down to where I feel I can have a more effective workout and burn more calories. So I'm still doing crossfit and still making progress. Once I get to 250lb I'll raise my calories up to about 1800 and try to lose the rest of the weight ina "healthy" way. My eeventual goal is 215-220lb. Im 6'0 and when I went and got on one of those bodyfat analysis machimes at the doctor it said I had 197 lb of lean mass so he agreed 220 would be a comfortable weight to maintain for me. Who knows if I get that far down I may go for it and try to get all ripped and shit but that is a long way off. Right now I'll just take it a lb at a time. I leave in three weeks to go to Wyoming for an elk hunt which is what got all this started. Now I hope next year to do a tough mudder. Fitness is addictive and once you see some results its hard to quit. Because at the end of the day being fat sucks a d there is just no way around that.
Good job keeping at it and getting those results. Definitely be wise about dieting because there are a lot of negative side effects from calorie depletion. I would try and give you some advice there but I'm not a nutritionist.
This thread was supposed to be supportive of you in your quest for a healthier lifestyle. Trolls are going to troll and haters are going to hate. Just do what makes you happy and feel good about yourself and get the results you're looking for. Keep up the good work.
By the way, my training pards and I are doing a backcountry backpack elk hunt in Colorado Oct. 18th-26th. All of this training is to prepare us for the physical demands of the hunt. Thats why it's called functional fitness. It definitely helps keep your body well conditioned so you can put yourself through these demanding challenges. Good luck to you man and if you get one don't be afraid to post some pictures on here.
OP,
Great job man, keep it up! Hope the hunt goes well for you. I don’t know more than the average person about nutrition but the extreme low cal diet seems off to me. I have been doing a Paleo challenge for a little over a week and am eating like crazy; veggies, lean protein, fruit, nuts, good fats, and I lost 6lbs the first week.
I’m 54 almost 55. On June 6, 2014 I weighed 225. I had been around that weight since getting out of the military in 2005. This morning (12+weeks later) I weighed 195.2, almost 30lbs less. I can’t squat, bench or clean shit compared to you guys but the me of today can sure as hell beat the shit out of the me of 6 June in cardio, strength and flexibility. I can climb a rope and am getting close to being able to do a strict pull-up again. I’m sure there are other exercise routines that produce results but CrossFit is working for me because I suck at working out on my own, I need the group/team push. The workout session at the CrossFit gym I go to lasts for about 1 hour. Warm-up, stretching, and sometimes foam roller. Next an OLY weight routine for say 10-15 mins, followed by the WOD, then a cool down with stretching/foam roller. With an ACL/ meniscus repair, ruptured disc, and dislocated elbow in my history, I am very careful of lifting heavy and while I get PRs they aren’t close to what I could PR if I was reckless about the lifts. I recognize it will take years to get OLY lifting form correct so I limit my lift weight.
I see a Warrior dash/challenge and possibly a GO-ruck in my future.
So to everyone, why bash what is working for someone else? I do admire those that have the discipline to work out alone and really push themselves. To each his own.
Stay n it OP!
Great job man, keep it up! Hope the hunt goes well for you. I don’t know more than the average person about nutrition but the extreme low cal diet seems off to me. I have been doing a Paleo challenge for a little over a week and am eating like crazy; veggies, lean protein, fruit, nuts, good fats, and I lost 6lbs the first week.
I’m 54 almost 55. On June 6, 2014 I weighed 225. I had been around that weight since getting out of the military in 2005. This morning (12+weeks later) I weighed 195.2, almost 30lbs less. I can’t squat, bench or clean shit compared to you guys but the me of today can sure as hell beat the shit out of the me of 6 June in cardio, strength and flexibility. I can climb a rope and am getting close to being able to do a strict pull-up again. I’m sure there are other exercise routines that produce results but CrossFit is working for me because I suck at working out on my own, I need the group/team push. The workout session at the CrossFit gym I go to lasts for about 1 hour. Warm-up, stretching, and sometimes foam roller. Next an OLY weight routine for say 10-15 mins, followed by the WOD, then a cool down with stretching/foam roller. With an ACL/ meniscus repair, ruptured disc, and dislocated elbow in my history, I am very careful of lifting heavy and while I get PRs they aren’t close to what I could PR if I was reckless about the lifts. I recognize it will take years to get OLY lifting form correct so I limit my lift weight.
I see a Warrior dash/challenge and possibly a GO-ruck in my future.
So to everyone, why bash what is working for someone else? I do admire those that have the discipline to work out alone and really push themselves. To each his own.
Stay n it OP!
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Fuck all that sensitive shit to make people just feel good about themselves. The truth is your going about getting in shape and weight loss in a very unhealthy way.
Your ass is going to end up in the hospital doing it like that and you are incorrectly judging lost inches around your gut for overall success.
So before that happens. Go read up on what a healthy balanced diet is and how to lose weight safely, you'll find that it is very different from starving yourself which is a classic mistake. Your doing your body far more harm than good right now.
Your discipline is admirable. Now use some common sense and stop starving yourself.
I am just gonna leave this here for you all to read especially those who are into crossfit. And why crossfit shouldn't be used for the serious athlete. Competing at an event is fine, competing every workout may be hurting your progress.
written by Major Damon Wells is currently attending the Army’s Command and General Staff College in Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. He has served as the United States Military Academy’s Assistant Course Director for Strength Development, the Officer-in-Charge of the West Point powerlifting team, the strength & conditioning coach for middle distance track, and a combatives and boxing instructor at the United States Military Academy at West Point. He has published numerous fitness articles and was a guest presenter at the 2009 American College of Sports Medicine conference in Seattle. Damon also holds the current Texas APF submasters squat record for the 125 kg weight class (804lbs). He has a BS in Psychology and an MS in Kinesiology from Texas A&M University. He is a 15 year veteran of the US Army and is currently on active duty. He has served two tours in Iraq for Operation Iraqi Freedom.
If you care to read
Starting Strength: Article
written by Major Damon Wells is currently attending the Army’s Command and General Staff College in Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. He has served as the United States Military Academy’s Assistant Course Director for Strength Development, the Officer-in-Charge of the West Point powerlifting team, the strength & conditioning coach for middle distance track, and a combatives and boxing instructor at the United States Military Academy at West Point. He has published numerous fitness articles and was a guest presenter at the 2009 American College of Sports Medicine conference in Seattle. Damon also holds the current Texas APF submasters squat record for the 125 kg weight class (804lbs). He has a BS in Psychology and an MS in Kinesiology from Texas A&M University. He is a 15 year veteran of the US Army and is currently on active duty. He has served two tours in Iraq for Operation Iraqi Freedom.
If you care to read
Starting Strength: Article
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When it comes down to it the massive doped up crossfit guys couldn't go the distance ,that a malnurished 120lb Huthi in flipflops that has never seen a gym in his life could .Carrying roughly his own bodyweight considerable distance at a considerable pace , under gunfire .
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