I was thinking about picking up one of the Colt New Agents as a carry gun and was wondering if anyone out there had one along with their thoughts compared to a full size 1911 Goverment model?
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Re: Anyone carrying the Colt New Agent in 45?
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Firearms accounted for only 60% of the attacks on police. However, in the 254 cases of officers killed in an armed encounter, firearms were used in 90% (230) of them, and knives in 5% (11). The service revolver was used in 60% of the cases. The authorized smaller frame civilian clothes revolver was used in 35% of them. In all cases reviewed, an unauthorized or gimmick holster (ankle, shoulder, skeleton, fast draw, clip-on etc.) was involved when the revolver was lost, accidentally discharged, or the officer was disarmed. Unintentional discharges averaged about 40 per year. This number is relatively small given: the size of the force (28,000), that all officers are required to be armed at all times when they are in the city, and that 4,000 non-police firearms are processed each year.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Sight Alignment </span>
<span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">In 70% of the cases reviewed, sight alignment was not used. Officers reported that they used instinctive or point shooting. </span></span>
As the distance between the officer and his opponent increased, some type of aiming was reported in 20% of the cases. This aiming or sighting ran from using the barrel as an aiming reference to picking up the front sight and utilizing fine sight alignment. The remaining 10% could not remember whether they had aimed or pointed and fired the weapon instinctively.
Shooting Distances
From Sept 1854 to Dec 1979, 254 officers died from wounds received in an armed encounter. The shooting distance in 90% of those cases was less than
15 feet.
Contact to 3 feet ... 34%
3 feet to 6 feet ...... 47%
6 feet to 15 feet ..... 9%
The shooting distances where officers survived, remained almost the same during the SOP years (1970-1979), and for a random sampling of cases going
back as far as 1929. 4,000 cases were reviewed. The shooting distance in 75% of those cases was less than 20 feet.
Contact to 10 feet ... 51%
10 feet to 20 feet .... 24%
338, I carried a Seecamp DA Detonics (simular scale in all regards) for two decades, finally gave it up for a S&W when even the Detonics was more of a brick than I wanted to carry. The New Agent has a perfectly fine set of sights for its purpose, simular to the guttersnipe found an the old ASP. No issue.
Weapons
Firearms accounted for only 60% of the attacks on police. However, in the 254 cases of officers killed in an armed encounter, firearms were used in 90% (230) of them, and knives in 5% (11). The service revolver was used in 60% of the cases. The authorized smaller frame civilian clothes revolver was used in 35% of them. In all cases reviewed, an unauthorized or gimmick holster (ankle, shoulder, skeleton, fast draw, clip-on etc.) was involved when the revolver was lost, accidentally discharged, or the officer was disarmed. Unintentional discharges averaged about 40 per year. This number is relatively small given: the size of the force (28,000), that all officers are required to be armed at all times when they are in the city, and that 4,000 non-police firearms are processed each year.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Sight Alignment </span>
<span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">In 70% of the cases reviewed, sight alignment was not used. Officers reported that they used instinctive or point shooting. </span></span>
As the distance between the officer and his opponent increased, some type of aiming was reported in 20% of the cases. This aiming or sighting ran from using the barrel as an aiming reference to picking up the front sight and utilizing fine sight alignment. The remaining 10% could not remember whether they had aimed or pointed and fired the weapon instinctively.
Shooting Distances
From Sept 1854 to Dec 1979, 254 officers died from wounds received in an armed encounter. The shooting distance in 90% of those cases was less than
15 feet.
Contact to 3 feet ... 34%
3 feet to 6 feet ...... 47%
6 feet to 15 feet ..... 9%
The shooting distances where officers survived, remained almost the same during the SOP years (1970-1979), and for a random sampling of cases going
back as far as 1929. 4,000 cases were reviewed. The shooting distance in 75% of those cases was less than 20 feet.
Contact to 10 feet ... 51%
10 feet to 20 feet .... 24%
338, I carried a Seecamp DA Detonics (simular scale in all regards) for two decades, finally gave it up for a S&W when even the Detonics was more of a brick than I wanted to carry. The New Agent has a perfectly fine set of sights for its purpose, simular to the guttersnipe found an the old ASP. No issue.
Re: Anyone carrying the Colt New Agent in 45?
I currently have a S&W 649 Chiefs Special that is very comfortable, but am looking for a quality semi as an alternative. I haven't ruled out a Defender, the hard part is finding local shops that carry Colt's here in western PA to be able to handle them- or at least I haven't came across many.
I currently have a S&W 649 Chiefs Special that is very comfortable, but am looking for a quality semi as an alternative. I haven't ruled out a Defender, the hard part is finding local shops that carry Colt's here in western PA to be able to handle them- or at least I haven't came across many.
Re: Anyone carrying the Colt New Agent in 45?
You are done. You are wasting your time as you already own a great rig.
You are done. You are wasting your time as you already own a great rig.
Re: Anyone carrying the Colt New Agent in 45?
Thanks for saving me a few bucks RollingThunder. I started to question its effectiveness after the Georgia mom shot the intruder and he got away. It made me reconsider the 38 rounds for 357.
Thanks for saving me a few bucks RollingThunder. I started to question its effectiveness after the Georgia mom shot the intruder and he got away. It made me reconsider the 38 rounds for 357.
Re: Anyone carrying the Colt New Agent in 45?
I have a New Agent in .45 and I find to Trench Site is easy to pick up with a like range time. Not much different than the Notched rear on a lot of Snubbies.
I still have about 30 days wait on my Permit so I will have more range time.
I also have a S&W Pro Series subcompact as well which is a little lighter due to the Scandium frame.
Karsten
I have a New Agent in .45 and I find to Trench Site is easy to pick up with a like range time. Not much different than the Notched rear on a lot of Snubbies.
I still have about 30 days wait on my Permit so I will have more range time.
I also have a S&W Pro Series subcompact as well which is a little lighter due to the Scandium frame.
Karsten
Re: Anyone carrying the Colt New Agent in 45?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Even at self defense distance, a gun without sights is useless. </div></div>
Congratulations, you are today's dumbest person on the internet.
As for the Colt, I carry an Officers model (3.5" barrel), but have been looking over the New Agent. I personally haven't been considering the Defender because last time I checked, it was only available in all bright shiny stainless.
Never had any problems with my small Colt, and it's a MUCH better choice than a 5" Govt for social work.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Even at self defense distance, a gun without sights is useless. </div></div>
Congratulations, you are today's dumbest person on the internet.
As for the Colt, I carry an Officers model (3.5" barrel), but have been looking over the New Agent. I personally haven't been considering the Defender because last time I checked, it was only available in all bright shiny stainless.
Never had any problems with my small Colt, and it's a MUCH better choice than a 5" Govt for social work.
Re: Anyone carrying the Colt New Agent in 45?
I have a defender and the only issue I've had with it is at times, it won't slide lock after the last round fired. Other than that, it's tip top, no matter what type of ammo.
I have a defender and the only issue I've had with it is at times, it won't slide lock after the last round fired. Other than that, it's tip top, no matter what type of ammo.
Re: Anyone carrying the Colt New Agent in 45?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KSwift</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Even at self defense distance, a gun without sights is useless. </div></div>
Congratulations, you are today's dumbest person on the internet.
As for the Colt, I carry an Officers model (3.5" barrel), but have been looking over the New Agent. I personally haven't been considering the Defender because last time I checked, it was only available in all bright shiny stainless.
Never had any problems with my small Colt, and it's a MUCH better choice than a 5" Govt for social work.</div></div>
And it does have sights. You're just too dumb to notice. They have a trench sight and it works quite well.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KSwift</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Even at self defense distance, a gun without sights is useless. </div></div>
Congratulations, you are today's dumbest person on the internet.
As for the Colt, I carry an Officers model (3.5" barrel), but have been looking over the New Agent. I personally haven't been considering the Defender because last time I checked, it was only available in all bright shiny stainless.
Never had any problems with my small Colt, and it's a MUCH better choice than a 5" Govt for social work.</div></div>
And it does have sights. You're just too dumb to notice. They have a trench sight and it works quite well.
Re: Anyone carrying the Colt New Agent in 45?
Not a lot of good pictures of the Trench sites but they do work with a little practice.
http://www.americanrifleman.org/webcontent/pdf/2009-5/2009511105020-coltnewagent.pdf
Mine is going in for a NM trigger and Beaver Tail safety theb I will get some pic's.
Karsten
Not a lot of good pictures of the Trench sites but they do work with a little practice.
http://www.americanrifleman.org/webcontent/pdf/2009-5/2009511105020-coltnewagent.pdf
Mine is going in for a NM trigger and Beaver Tail safety theb I will get some pic's.
Karsten
Re: Anyone carrying the Colt New Agent in 45?
Don't own the Colt New Agent but I do have a Sig Ultra. Might want to give Sig a look. The options you get for the money, the Sig is a very good value. I handeled the Colt when I was looking but compared the features and went with the Sig.
Don't own the Colt New Agent but I do have a Sig Ultra. Might want to give Sig a look. The options you get for the money, the Sig is a very good value. I handeled the Colt when I was looking but compared the features and went with the Sig.
Re: Anyone carrying the Colt New Agent in 45?
I bought one used , in the box , for $650 at a pawnshop . It jammed on the first shot . I dissembled it - the recoil spring was wadded up . An internet search showed a recall for the same problem . I contacted Colt - they sent me a FEDEX label ... The pistol was returned in about a week , with an improved recoil-spring assembly . It has worked fine . I installed a checkered bob-tail mainspring-housing (blending it into the frame - sort of a round-butt) , and extended safety and Simonich stocks . It carries better than a steel-frame , especially in the summer . Still , I think I am going to get a Colt's Lightweight Government Model . It has Novak sights from the factory . I feel better having traditional sights ... I also have an original ASP with the 'guttersnipe' sights . The New Agent sights are similiar . While both are more than adequate for close-quarters , I don't feel that they offer precision - if it were needed ...
I bought one used , in the box , for $650 at a pawnshop . It jammed on the first shot . I dissembled it - the recoil spring was wadded up . An internet search showed a recall for the same problem . I contacted Colt - they sent me a FEDEX label ... The pistol was returned in about a week , with an improved recoil-spring assembly . It has worked fine . I installed a checkered bob-tail mainspring-housing (blending it into the frame - sort of a round-butt) , and extended safety and Simonich stocks . It carries better than a steel-frame , especially in the summer . Still , I think I am going to get a Colt's Lightweight Government Model . It has Novak sights from the factory . I feel better having traditional sights ... I also have an original ASP with the 'guttersnipe' sights . The New Agent sights are similiar . While both are more than adequate for close-quarters , I don't feel that they offer precision - if it were needed ...
Re: Anyone carrying the Colt New Agent in 45?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KSwift</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Even at self defense distance, a gun without sights is useless. </div></div>
Congratulations, you are today's dumbest person on the internet.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: IdahoMike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
And it does have sights. You're just too dumb to notice. They have a trench sight and it works quite well. </div></div>
These are really, truly useful additions to the discussion, guys. Thanks.
My opinion is worth what you paid for it. I have watched my front sight go back and forth so many times that I have use for a gun without one.
There are fans of every imaginable type of product in our markets, and so there's probably some room for the "trench" sight gun. It exists for the entirely sound reason of eliminating snags when pulling it from a pocket. I think that a 3" 1911 is too big for a pocket gun anyway, and so that's just one more reason why it doesn't appeal to me. There are tons of pocket 9mm and .380 guns that'd work great for that application.
I do carry and love my Springfield EMP, which is a similar size and competitive with the New Agent in size. It has my choice of a 10-8 rear sight with a large notch and the stock, .125" front night sight.
If it turned out that I had to defend my life and I didn't end up using the sights, then so be it, but since I don't carry the gun in my pocket and the chance of snagging is basically zero, I am certainly not at a loss by choosing gun with sights. And by sights, I mean real sights. The trench is not really a sight, but rather, a compromise that takes the place of sights that attempts to serve the same purpose by eliminating the potential snagging problem.
I also feel genuinely sorry for those of you who cannot come up with anything meaningful to add to the discussion besides personal insults for those who dare to disagree with you. If we all agreed, we wouldn't need a forum at all.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KSwift</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Even at self defense distance, a gun without sights is useless. </div></div>
Congratulations, you are today's dumbest person on the internet.
</div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: IdahoMike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
And it does have sights. You're just too dumb to notice. They have a trench sight and it works quite well. </div></div>
These are really, truly useful additions to the discussion, guys. Thanks.
My opinion is worth what you paid for it. I have watched my front sight go back and forth so many times that I have use for a gun without one.
There are fans of every imaginable type of product in our markets, and so there's probably some room for the "trench" sight gun. It exists for the entirely sound reason of eliminating snags when pulling it from a pocket. I think that a 3" 1911 is too big for a pocket gun anyway, and so that's just one more reason why it doesn't appeal to me. There are tons of pocket 9mm and .380 guns that'd work great for that application.
I do carry and love my Springfield EMP, which is a similar size and competitive with the New Agent in size. It has my choice of a 10-8 rear sight with a large notch and the stock, .125" front night sight.
If it turned out that I had to defend my life and I didn't end up using the sights, then so be it, but since I don't carry the gun in my pocket and the chance of snagging is basically zero, I am certainly not at a loss by choosing gun with sights. And by sights, I mean real sights. The trench is not really a sight, but rather, a compromise that takes the place of sights that attempts to serve the same purpose by eliminating the potential snagging problem.
I also feel genuinely sorry for those of you who cannot come up with anything meaningful to add to the discussion besides personal insults for those who dare to disagree with you. If we all agreed, we wouldn't need a forum at all.
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