Anyone ever try THESE??

[coldboremiracle]

Its a .30 cal sabot for shooting .224 cal bullets. I inherited a bunch of them. I dont know how accurate they would be, but I was thinking it might be cool to cook a 75 Amax out of a .308 at like 3800fps or something. Any idea what kind of load it would take?

 

[armorpl8chikn]

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Got a gallon ziploc bag full. Where do you want me to ship them?

Seriously though good luck. I never had much luck with them. I can tell you to think about your twist rate in that 308. If the twist in a 224 bore needs a 1-8 to stabilize that 75(and it usually does(75AMax). Then your 308 will need something close to that even at 3800fps. I would say your 1-10 308 try up to 70gr, expect the VLD types to be a bit sketchy on stabilizing.
I have heard that the guys that have good luck with these have a special die(maybe seating plug?) for seating sabots.
I may pull my sabots back out and have another crack at it one of these days. Let us know how it works out. I have some loading data somewhere and if I can find it I will PM it to you.

Like I say, keep us posted. This subject has always interested me.

 

[coldboremiracle]

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My .308 has an 8 twist so I should be good there, I'll give it a try if you wanna send me some load data.


Anyone else?

 

[plant.one]

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my LGS reloading guy has what he claims to be a 4000 fps 30-30 sabot load. he showed a completed round to us when i took an 'intro to reoloading' class there as an exmaple of speciality loads that can be produced with some advanced reloading techniques. He didnt elaborate and i didnt ask further. I'll have to ask him more about it next time i catch him in the store.

 

[NCHillbilly]

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There's a site called sabotreloadingpro.com.I've not used them,but I saw the site while surfing and they advertise a lot of products and load data.I've been interested in this subject,but never looked into it.Keep us posted.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

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I owe you a debt of gratitude. I knew this data was buried deep in a file cabinet and had been for many years. The interesting story is in the search. Took me on a trip down memory lane.
Found a title I had been looking for, a birth certificate thought lost, pristine I.B.S. sticker from my BR days,an old B-day card from my long passed Granny(with money in it, a silver certificate no less), luckily the data was in the last place I looked

Nestled in the same folder was an interim report from 10th grade Geometry class,"F, Joe is doing NO work". Boy if Mr. Gale could only see how fast I can figure the volume of an aeration basin and work the math on the F/M ratio. Told em I would learn it when I needed to.

Anyway thanks. If you will PM me your email I will send you a nice scanned copy with a bunch of info from 30 carbine to 300 Win Mag and even 50BMG sabots. Its a bit dog eared but I think it will scan ok.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

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Found your email, forgot you may have it in your profile. You have mail. Enjoy.

 

[coldboremiracle]

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Got it, thanks, glad you found your stuff.

 

[Huckleberry75]

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I am curious to see what accelerators do with the 75amaxs.

 

[hofhine1]

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I tried to get 55's and 62's to run, but it seemed to me most of the powder was burning in front of the barrel,(I have an 18 inch 308) I was running the fastest powder I had in stock, which was 2015, and I only hit my 18x24 plate at two hundred yards once out of about 25 rounds.

I got data with mine that looks pretty old, and we kinda came to grips with the fact that and 18 inch 308 is probably gonna need to run a 2400 class powder to get anywhere close to efficient with the things.

Please keep us in the loop, I'm dying to see if someone can get them coyote accurate at a few hundred yards. Especially in a 308....

Sean

 

[coldboremiracle]

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Well honestly if they wont shoot as accurate as a regular load then Im gonna loose interest real fast. That kinda what Im afraid is gonna happen.

 

[bohem]

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Remington offered factory ammo with it and I had a couple boxes given to me in 30-06 years ago. At 25-200yd with 55gr soft points they would (from a 3/4 MOA rifle) shoot about 2 MOA. At 100yd they were going fast enough to sail through 1/2" AR500 and I only shot the plate 1 time.

The other commentary in there about stability and group capability is spot on from my experience, they're a waste of good gunpowder and 22cal bullets IMO.

 

[coldboremiracle]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The other commentary in there about stability and group capability is spot on from my experience, they're a waste of good gunpowder and 22cal bullets IMO.

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Thats been the underlying concern since I saw them

 

[Deadshot2]

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One thing for sure. You won't need to worry about copper fouling in the bore.

You'll just get to learn the many ways to get the plastic out.


Most I've talked to or read consider sabots to be a novelty reserved for those that like to shoot rounds in the 4,000 fps range and don't care what they hit.

Don't think anyone factory loads the "Accelerator" any more for 30-06 that was the rage for a while.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

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The best I can remember, and it has been a long time, my best results were had with Red Dot in a 308. That was an old FR-8 spanish mauser that was fairly accurate, for what it was of course.

Shooting these in a custom gun you may get ok results. using a good runnout tool I bet will help immensely too.

 

[coldboremiracle]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deadshot2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You'll just get to learn the many ways to get the plastic out.
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wouldn't a couple full house .308 burn it out?

 

[vman]

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Those are pretty cool looking. I would never use them but would like some to add to the "collection". Where can one obtain them for handloading?

 

[Gene Poole]

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The military has been using them forever. This is a .30 cal tungsten bullet fired from a BMG .50 (with a sabot to make up the .20 extra space). That's a .308 case next to it for perspective:

 

[B3dlam]

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Military uses them in 7.62 as well google 7.62 SLAP you will find plenty of pictures

 

[B3dlam]

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Military uses them in 7.62 as well google 7.62 SLAP you will find plenty of pictures

 

[Deadshot2]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Deadshot2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You'll just get to learn the many ways to get the plastic out.
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wouldn't a couple full house .308 burn it out? </div></div>

Or burn it in. The biggest area of concern is that not all bullets are fully engraved by the rifling and there's a point where fouling builds up. This could be nasty as you know what as the plastic isn't easy to remove with typical bore solvents.

Needless to say, rifles have more "nooks and crannies" than shotguns where they use plastic all the time with their wads.

 

[aagifford]

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I'm interested to hear of your results if you try them out. A safety tip I saw a while back is to not shoot them through a muzzle brake, the sabot can open up and hit the brake.

 

[Jim Buck]

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Havent seen those in years.