plenty of reviews of people liking thier staccato Ps. but is there anyone who DOESN'T like the P?
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Sidearms & Scatterguns anyone NOT like the staccato p?
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I did not enjoy it one bit. Spent some time at a STI booth, shot it against a Glock and P320. Thought “oh man!” That trigger is so nice, I just have to have one. This was about 2019 with their red dot model at the time. Got it. Carried it for about 2 weeks, a couple of high round count days ant the range and hated it. The safety was smooth, but annoying from concealment. Your draw from concealment on the move and from vehicles is not always perfect. I hate safety’s for that reason.
Heavier than my P320 pro AXG. Just an all around bulky gun with an X300. I don’t think the bulk was necessary but more aesthetic. I also had problems running my 135 gr +p+ and the range ammo. I had to swap out springs to get it to function perfectly.
Finally after having some time on the range and dry fire time, I compared my times with the STI, Glock 17 and P320 Pro. I was about .25-.5 seconds faster from the draw on my other guns. I’m fastest on the draw with my P320. Mag changes were all about the same. Splits were only hundredths faster with the STI mainly because that trigger is awesome.
Saw zero benefit other than the Gucci factor. Gucci factor is a big deal, but not bigger than wanting to carry the gun. Slower and heavier in my book means the gun goes. Just did not enjoy it nearly as much in practice as I thought I would. For me it holds the same type of place as the Springfield TRP Operator. Really cool to shoot, have in the safe, and use in some matches, but otherwise I’m not carrying it everyday.
Heavier than my P320 pro AXG. Just an all around bulky gun with an X300. I don’t think the bulk was necessary but more aesthetic. I also had problems running my 135 gr +p+ and the range ammo. I had to swap out springs to get it to function perfectly.
Finally after having some time on the range and dry fire time, I compared my times with the STI, Glock 17 and P320 Pro. I was about .25-.5 seconds faster from the draw on my other guns. I’m fastest on the draw with my P320. Mag changes were all about the same. Splits were only hundredths faster with the STI mainly because that trigger is awesome.
Saw zero benefit other than the Gucci factor. Gucci factor is a big deal, but not bigger than wanting to carry the gun. Slower and heavier in my book means the gun goes. Just did not enjoy it nearly as much in practice as I thought I would. For me it holds the same type of place as the Springfield TRP Operator. Really cool to shoot, have in the safe, and use in some matches, but otherwise I’m not carrying it everyday.
I have a deep seeded dislike for them as I am too poor to afford one ... lol
i just got a P (the lite/aluminum version) a little bit ago, for a truck/nitestand gun. pretty similar to my other STI's that i use in competition (2 & 3 gun, uspsa etc). i wouldn't consider it a 'carry' gun, at least concealed carry. for owb or leo or mil it would be real nice. i know a handful that do use these in competition with red dots (so the little bit shorter barrel/sight radius isn't a handicap).
as far as their customer service, i have one of their (sti) open guns which they don't make anymore. i started having hammer follow issues and they eventually replaced the whole fcg, so they're def standing behind their products even predecessor.
as far as their customer service, i have one of their (sti) open guns which they don't make anymore. i started having hammer follow issues and they eventually replaced the whole fcg, so they're def standing behind their products even predecessor.
Considering a CS. But carrying a $2k+ pistol seems dubious. Gave up carrying a $1500+/- Dan Wesson for similar reasons but doubling my carrying capacity made that decision easy. Me thinks I just want a new high $$ gun for reasons. 
nothing wrong with wanting a new toy!Considering a CS. But carrying a $2k+ pistol seems dubious. Gave up carrying a $1500+/- Dan Wesson for similar reasons but doubling my carrying capacity made that decision easy. Me thinks I just want a new high $$ gun for reasons.
we should carry what we think will best help us prevail if God forbid we ever need it. possibly losing or being temporarily without a $2k gun will unfortunately be a drop in the bucket if worse comes to worse and you have to use it in self defense.
thank you so far. i have a few thoughts, but i am with holding until we receive more insight from other users. i do not want to sway any responses due to my experience and opinion, or lack the of lol.
While I agree with your sentiment, there's plenty $500+/- guns perfectly capable and reliable. 43X or a Hellcat are more than sufficient and have proven themselves capable and reliable. But I thank you for providing me with an excuse to get one.
exactly why i am not stating anything right now. i am just gathering others' experience.
I have put a few k rounds through a buddies and liked it a lot. It’s a quality gun with a very nice trigger. But for me it does serve much purpose. For a carry gun it’s big and doesn’t do anything much better than a $500.00 Glock ( in my hands at least )
It’s not big or heavy enough to be an ideal dedicated match/race gun.
It’s not big or heavy enough to be an ideal dedicated match/race gun.
Yep my aiwb carry is a 43x, perfect for that.While I agree with your sentiment, there's plenty $500+/- guns perfectly capable and reliable. 43X or a Hellcat are more than sufficient and have proven themselves capable and reliable. But I thank you for providing me with an excuse to get one.
They make a 4 inch C2, but for me still too big for aiwb. Also now make a smaller CS but I haven't handled one yet.
my intended use is pretty much a range toy with a bit of gucci factor that bigdawg90 mentioned that i do not intend to carry. maybe some steel challenge, or a uspsa match or 3. honestly, i'll probably only shoot it 3 or 4 times a year. i have been hankering for a nice 1911 for awhile; wilson combat or nighthawk. i was stupid and sold a colt custom shop m45a1 USMC roll marked 1911 a few years ago, then i sold my production line blue box m45a1 as well. boy did i fuck up! stupid, stupid, stupid... i kinda stumbled upon the staccato at a LGS a few weeks ago. i was just browsing around and the guy asked if i wanted to see anything. i said no, im just killing time but he pulled out the threaded P model anyways even though i told him no lol. so of course that peaked my interest, i called him a dick and he was trying to hard to make a sale lol. i reached out to a few uspsa dudes i used to shoot with years ago and the one dude had the P and C2 and let me try both yesterday. i knew right away i did NOT like the C2. it only took 3 rounds for me to immediately not like it but i emptied the the rest (10) and gave the pistol back to my buddy and said thank you but not for me. to ME, it was too snappy and the thumb safety/grip safety area was biting into my hand. him on the other hand, likes it better than the fill size P. but that is on him, his experience, his training, his choice, his money. so jefes dope, maybe try to locate one locally before dropping the $.
after i put a few rounds thru the P and very few thru the C2 i pulled out my glock 45 and to be honest, i kinda like the glock better. kinda like that old girl friend you keep trying to replace with something better but just can't. the P just didn't fit my hand great and the mag release is too far forward. i fumbled the mag changes. whereas the glock mag release is right the fuck there. im not sure why, maybe because of the weight of the gun, or because it is so smooth to cycle the action, i didn't feel when it came back to slide lock. any other pistol i can feel it right away.
as said previously, it really doesn't do anything better than a $500 gun does other than the gucci cool guy factor, which on some level does count, sometimes we just want cool shit for no other reason than it's cool.
but...in true SH fashion...we all know i am going to end up with one anyways.
after i put a few rounds thru the P and very few thru the C2 i pulled out my glock 45 and to be honest, i kinda like the glock better. kinda like that old girl friend you keep trying to replace with something better but just can't. the P just didn't fit my hand great and the mag release is too far forward. i fumbled the mag changes. whereas the glock mag release is right the fuck there. im not sure why, maybe because of the weight of the gun, or because it is so smooth to cycle the action, i didn't feel when it came back to slide lock. any other pistol i can feel it right away.
as said previously, it really doesn't do anything better than a $500 gun does other than the gucci cool guy factor, which on some level does count, sometimes we just want cool shit for no other reason than it's cool.
but...in true SH fashion...we all know i am going to end up with one anyways.
if you dont like the STI maybe take a look at the Cz's...shadow 2...TS2...TS2 orange or the green race gun if wanting a toy.
ive owned 2 STI's the P and now a C2 i love both...also own a CZ TS2 and really like this gun...never cared for glocks because they just dont feel right in my hand but i did own a glock 34 MOS that i put 12,500 rounds through...shot great never an issue just did not fit well.
ive owned 2 STI's the P and now a C2 i love both...also own a CZ TS2 and really like this gun...never cared for glocks because they just dont feel right in my hand but i did own a glock 34 MOS that i put 12,500 rounds through...shot great never an issue just did not fit well.
Someone must not like them because they're always for sale used.
Of course there may be nothing wrong with them, just not the amazing cup of wonderful that timmie hype lead them to expect.
Of course there may be nothing wrong with them, just not the amazing cup of wonderful that timmie hype lead them to expect.
you can drill, and optionally tap, the mag release and screw in an extended diameter mag release or of course just replace it.
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pretty sure the ergo's (grip diameter/circumference, distance to mag release etc) are the same between the P and the C2, P has longer barrel/frame and longer grip.
for me, the 1911 / 2011 ergo's and especially the trigger, make it superior to everything else out there, and i shoot them much better than my glocks. but i regularly get my butt kicked at 2 gun and similar matches by guys running glocks, so it's more the shooter than the gun.
I had a P and C2 for about a year or so...
My take is that depending on your perspective, they can easily be seen either:
A) a tremendous value
B) a complete ripoff
I ordered my guns through the LE/hero program, was supposed to take 6-9 weeks. It took 10 months to take delivery. They were overhauling their website and refused to take order over the phone or wouldn't accept FFL info that wasn't over their automated deal. We were not off to a good start.
My P was steel framed non-Duo that had the Chambers Custom RDSM plate system milled into it (same for the C2)
My dislikes:
- Their customer service and organization
- Problems with certain generation mags (this is the last thing this design needs is more magazine problems)
- Their Duo/CNH optic designs; thus, I went my own way.
- The grips/texture; other than the ugly star, they're not nearly grippy enough (they have since added the more aggressive grip option...I believe at added cost)
- The geometry of the grip safety beaver tale not having an up-swept design. It slows draw time considerably; even the rep/trainer I talked to about this concedes it's just an automatic 0.15-0.20s to draw time out of the gate
- polymer trigger (a cheap/easy way to ensure that light trigger pull on a "production" gun)
- The P in steel frame is HEAVY if you're a polymer striker guy.
My likes
- The P appears to be a legit "duty grade" pistol, and the C2 is a very nice carry option
- Accurate and smooth shooting guns.
As far as being a "value", if one compares these guns to say a gucci'd up Glock that also sits close to a $2k price tag when all said and done, it's no contest, the Staccato blows it out of the water. Is it 1/2 the gun/performance of a $5-6k custom full-house gun...no certainly not. Its at least 80% of the immediate performance of a full-house custom for 50% the price.
As far as it being a "ripoff", when you compare the Staccato's price tag to "production" guns and specs to industry 1911/2011 standards, my smith and I found some things lacking. After some use and wear, we got to see what's going on internally and (no surprise) the top barrel lugs are barely making contact, and we noticed some other wear that was not ideal if examined from a perspective of "optimal fit". I mentioned the polymer trigger shoe (lighter triggers are easier to tune, and polymer is kind of a cheat in that respect). Here is where the "production" factor showed its ugly head.
Thus, even at $2k+, one is still far from a perfect specimen in terms of "ideal" 2011/1911.
Accurate 1911/2011's aren't difficult to make
Reliable 1911/2011's aren't difficult to make
Accurate and Reliable 1911/2011's take some know-how but are very achievable
Maintaining accuracy an reliability in 1911/2011 over a lifetime...that's the trick.
In all, my shooting experience with the guns was pleasant, and I'm still on the 2011 train...just not with Staccato.
My advice to my colleagues was this:
If you care at all about weight, avoid the steel and accept that it won't be felling like a 3-4 pound steel gun
If you're torn on the P and C2, get the lighter P and either ditch the magwell (that helps concealability) or get a C2 grip module and have the best of both worlds.
Beyond that, I feel that if getting into the $3k+ territory, money can be better spent elsewhere on a semi-custom offering.
My take is that depending on your perspective, they can easily be seen either:
A) a tremendous value
B) a complete ripoff
I ordered my guns through the LE/hero program, was supposed to take 6-9 weeks. It took 10 months to take delivery. They were overhauling their website and refused to take order over the phone or wouldn't accept FFL info that wasn't over their automated deal. We were not off to a good start.
My P was steel framed non-Duo that had the Chambers Custom RDSM plate system milled into it (same for the C2)
My dislikes:
- Their customer service and organization
- Problems with certain generation mags (this is the last thing this design needs is more magazine problems)
- Their Duo/CNH optic designs; thus, I went my own way.
- The grips/texture; other than the ugly star, they're not nearly grippy enough (they have since added the more aggressive grip option...I believe at added cost)
- The geometry of the grip safety beaver tale not having an up-swept design. It slows draw time considerably; even the rep/trainer I talked to about this concedes it's just an automatic 0.15-0.20s to draw time out of the gate
- polymer trigger (a cheap/easy way to ensure that light trigger pull on a "production" gun)
- The P in steel frame is HEAVY if you're a polymer striker guy.
My likes
- The P appears to be a legit "duty grade" pistol, and the C2 is a very nice carry option
- Accurate and smooth shooting guns.
As far as being a "value", if one compares these guns to say a gucci'd up Glock that also sits close to a $2k price tag when all said and done, it's no contest, the Staccato blows it out of the water. Is it 1/2 the gun/performance of a $5-6k custom full-house gun...no certainly not. Its at least 80% of the immediate performance of a full-house custom for 50% the price.
As far as it being a "ripoff", when you compare the Staccato's price tag to "production" guns and specs to industry 1911/2011 standards, my smith and I found some things lacking. After some use and wear, we got to see what's going on internally and (no surprise) the top barrel lugs are barely making contact, and we noticed some other wear that was not ideal if examined from a perspective of "optimal fit". I mentioned the polymer trigger shoe (lighter triggers are easier to tune, and polymer is kind of a cheat in that respect). Here is where the "production" factor showed its ugly head.
Thus, even at $2k+, one is still far from a perfect specimen in terms of "ideal" 2011/1911.
Accurate 1911/2011's aren't difficult to make
Reliable 1911/2011's aren't difficult to make
Accurate and Reliable 1911/2011's take some know-how but are very achievable
Maintaining accuracy an reliability in 1911/2011 over a lifetime...that's the trick.
In all, my shooting experience with the guns was pleasant, and I'm still on the 2011 train...just not with Staccato.
My advice to my colleagues was this:
If you care at all about weight, avoid the steel and accept that it won't be felling like a 3-4 pound steel gun
If you're torn on the P and C2, get the lighter P and either ditch the magwell (that helps concealability) or get a C2 grip module and have the best of both worlds.
Beyond that, I feel that if getting into the $3k+ territory, money can be better spent elsewhere on a semi-custom offering.
17/18+1 and 27oz. If I wasn't looking for a smaller carry specific I'd buy this. Even if it did, and I'm not saying it would, but even if it took $600 to get it running flawless and rigged up with your flavor of accessories, it would still sit at about $2k and be "sorted out."
Oh, and MBX makes mags for them, so you have a great foolproof option if you don't like the factory rigs, but I don't know that they'll disappoint, I also know Mec Gar is making a mag for them, which is another great option.
Oh, and MBX makes mags for them, so you have a great foolproof option if you don't like the factory rigs, but I don't know that they'll disappoint, I also know Mec Gar is making a mag for them, which is another great option.
I hated the one I had. Over $2000 for a gun with a freaking plastic grip and the damn thing would not run reliably. Now my XC is a different story....will eat anything
When did you own one? And was it a mag reliability issue or do you know what the issue was?
Staccato is one I'm looking at as well, though I'm about 90% sure I'm not going that route given the new CS went with proprietary mags and Staccato can take a bit to work out their mag issues if there are any, and with no second option...
I truly enjoy my Staccato P, but I just might like shooting a CZ Shadow 2 better. Wish I never sold it. Both are extremely accurate.
Def not a carry gun, but sturdy all around and has tight tolerances as you would expect from a $2000+ gun. Had one side by side with a Prodigy and you can for sure notice the difference in quality.
Def not a carry gun, but sturdy all around and has tight tolerances as you would expect from a $2000+ gun. Had one side by side with a Prodigy and you can for sure notice the difference in quality.
BTDT one too...
They have their own set of pro's and con's. Most notably the magazines. They're based off Walther mag bodies and are an interesting approach; that said, talking with some of the Gun Site guys, they've seen some funky mag failures on occasion.
The chainlink/X-pattern is ghastly and lacks any amount of grip. Their OEM configurations kinda suck in regards to sights, grip configurations and having to pay extra for ambi and light rails. Optic system is "meh". They're a bit too expensive when ordering despite the fact that they only fetch about 60% of their value on the secondary market (so you better love it). The size of the one I had above was awesome though.
IMHO, they have a great concept, but they had to be all Wilson Combat about it... Unlike the Staccato stuff, you're not going to go to your smith who knows 1911/2011 stuff and pop in a flat trigger or make some of the mods you could with a 2011 style gun.
They're $3150 base msrp. On places like 1911addicts and other forums they're normally $800-1k less. I've been tempted more than a few times to pick up a used one. Not a hard and fast rule, but I see it enough to notice the trend and they sit long enough for me to stew on it...
IMHO, the pricing structure of places like Wilson Combat and Nighthawk are complete bullshit. Given the cost of components, the "semi-custom" makers maybe only spend 8-12 hours of work from a no-name "smith" on their regular level stuff.
This is why "value" in the 1911/2011 is so murky.
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Have you looked at Atlas Gunworks?
Alchemy Quantico is pretty nice, I'd take a close look at that for a 2011 as well
Alchemy Quantico is pretty nice, I'd take a close look at that for a 2011 as well
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Not great. Not horrible. It's fun, but its not $3k or whatever they're charging for them fun. It's the equivalent of buying a TT scope and thinking its going to make you a better shooter.
I've shot various Staccatos, Erebus and 'custom' guns and other than them looking cooler or the finish being nicer, at the end of the day, I never noticed a difference from the 'standard' pistols I shoot.
I've shot various Staccatos, Erebus and 'custom' guns and other than them looking cooler or the finish being nicer, at the end of the day, I never noticed a difference from the 'standard' pistols I shoot.
i sure see alot of them for sale on armslist locally, for such a high end pistol. i never see other high end 1911’s for sale.
i love 1911’s but would never spend that much on a ccw piece.
i love 1911’s but would never spend that much on a ccw piece.
Nobody who pays for high end 1911's uses Armslist. Other makes are out there for sale as well.
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well….i’ve seen $3000 gold plated bling-o colt 1911’s on there but i’m in tucson and the mexican dudes love those.
but ya your right, not too maybe wilsons or sti’s roll thru AL but the stacattos do.
