AR-30 customizations

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Have an AR-30 338 LM that I am fixing to start customizing. I have not come across many accessories for it. Any of yall have any helpful input or recommend certain things? What have you done to your own? I am not wild about the buttstock at all, but havent really found anything to fix it.

So far, this is what I am thinking about doing.

-BI-POD- a GG&G Extreme Duty Swivel BI-POD

-Trigger job- a very light one

- Hand grip with a palm rest- no idea

- Buttstock replacement- no idea

- Monopod- no idea
 
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I bought a GGG HD-Bipod for my AR30 .308. It's a nice unit. They also sell the mounting adapter. My rifle came with a 20 minute rail but I think they only come with 15 minute rails now.

For my next mod, I will be sending my bolt to Mark at Short Action Customs for a tactical bolt knob.

http://www.shortactioncustoms.com/

Have fun...

 
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Here's some bone-head gunsmithing that I did on mine. I bought an adjustable cheek piece from CAA and modified it to work on my rifle. It's pretty flimsy, but it beats the hell out of the factory piece.


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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Texas Republic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I found a butt stock that supposedly fits. So the description says. What do you all think?

http://www.sniperessentials.com/pd-caa-sniper-stock.cfm

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Did you ever call CAA and ask them if thats correct or if it a typo on that page. I think that if you had access to a mill, making an adapter would be pretty easy.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lt. Arclight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its got a shilen trigger-all you need to do is adjust it. </div></div>

+1. The AR30 has a sweet trigger if it is adjusted properly.
 
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Oh. That was the wrong website. This website, along with several others, hints that it fits on the ar-30. At least it sounds like it. Part of the description is below.

http://www.securityprousa.com/coarsnstwile.html

"Completely adjustable and featuring a rear-folding pod that converts an A2 rifle, SR-25, AR-10, and an AR-30 Adaptor rifle with a bipod, into a stable shooting platform with three-point support, the CAA Sniper Stock is in a class of its own."

I have emailed command arms about it, but havent received a answer yet.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Texas Republic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh. That was the wrong website. This website, along with several others, hints that it fits on the ar-30. At least it sounds like it. Part of the description is below.

http://www.securityprousa.com/coarsnstwile.html

"Completely adjustable and featuring a rear-folding pod that converts an A2 rifle, SR-25, AR-10, and an AR-30 Adaptor rifle with a bipod, into a stable shooting platform with three-point support, the CAA Sniper Stock is in a class of its own."

I have emailed command arms about it, but havent received a answer yet. </div></div>

CAA's website makes no mention of it. CAA
 
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Does "user adjustment" include a professional gunsmith adjustment? That sucks.

Armalite's FAQ page states:

ANSWER: The AR-30 trigger is not user adjustable or user removable. Only the factory can adjust the trigger and assure its safety. User adjustment voids your warranty. Contact us if you would like any trigger adjustments.

http://www.armalite.com/Categories.aspx?Category=538b8c3c-6710-4282-839f-fb5caf8043a3#30
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Texas Republic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does "user adjustment" include a professional gunsmith adjustment? That sucks.

Armalite's FAQ page states:

ANSWER: The AR-30 trigger is not user adjustable or user removable. Only the factory can adjust the trigger and assure its safety. User adjustment voids your warranty. Contact us if you would like any trigger adjustments.

http://www.armalite.com/Categories.aspx?Category=538b8c3c-6710-4282-839f-fb5caf8043a3#30 </div></div>

Your local smith should have no problem, however, do your due diligence on the warranty issue.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Texas Republic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Finally got ahold of command arms. They said it would take some fabricating to fit. Not sure where the other websites come off stating the ar-30 would work. Oh well. </div></div>

I have that stock on my RRA varmint and it is fantastic. I have another one sitting in the box that I want to put on my AR30. It wouldn't be that hard, if you have access to a welder, tap and die set, and the right diameter pipe to fit into the stock that is made for an ar style of rifle. I have wanted to find something lighter than a steel pipe to use, but am not sure what.
There was some mention that armalite may make their own adapter for an ar style stock if they see enough interest. So everyone hound them with emails because the original butt stock really does suck.
 
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I've been in contact with some guys here on the Hide. They are working up some ideas. I (or they, for that matter) will update what happens. Great news for AR30 guys!!!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DaveV</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've been in contact with some guys here on the Hide. They are working up some ideas. I (or they, for that matter) will update what happens. Great news for AR30 guys!!!</div></div>

Awesome news DaveV! That sounds great because I know there are people who are lot better than me at fabricating something like this, and if someone does start making an adapter I would be willing to pay money for one!
 
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I spoke to armalite at the tulsa gunshow during the holidays, and they also mentioned the idea of some type of adapter. No other news so far though. Definitely shoot us a PM when something develops on the ar-30 stock!
 
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The Ar30 trigger is interchangeable with rem 700 triggers . Even though the stock Shilen was pretty good,I couldn't get trigger pull any lighter than 2 1/2lbs I put in a Basix varmit and now have my pull set to a very nice 1 1/2 lbs ( adjustable down to 8 oz).
Even though for Liability reasons Armilite states no adjustments and not user replacable. I assure you the trigger is both adjustable and user replaceable
 
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I bought that same bipod and it never made it onto the gun. I should have learned more about it before I bought it, but that thing is terrible. No movement, no adjustable height, and the smooth feet that make it hard to load. I suppose it might work alright on a bench or cement but then again too high and the smooth feet suck. I think it was the worst $150+ (don't remember price) I ever spent.
I would like to get the trigger tuned. 2.5 lbs would be perfect for me. I was just going to have the smith do it when I have him mount a rail on the fore-end, but if it is as easy as you say, maybe I will look into doing it myself. Just waiting for someone to figure a butt stock adapter and I will have a sweet stick as the accuracy is quite good from what I have seen.
 
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I finialy got to shoot off the prince Bipod for the first time this weekend and I have to say I like it much better than my harris bipod. It seemed much more stable. Its true there is no adjustments but the wide rigid base felt great.
 
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OK, regarding this rifle, I have a lot to say because it seems a lot of people that are posting on the AR-30 don't seem to be as knowledgeable as they think they are. (at least with some of what I've been reading all over the web)

There is virtually nothing available "specifically" for the AR-30 "after market" and ArmaLite doesn't make diddly for it as of this writing. I've owned my AR-30 .338 Lapua for 6 months and have scoured the internet, called vendors/manufacturers etc.. and can not find anything. I do see in some of the pics posted here a few ad ons, but I'm guessing they're not designed for the rifle, there designed for something else and happen to work or made/customized to fit? I'm also guessing the person that made the cheek rest for his did it at the expense of sacrificing another stock he had to use that piece on his rifle? That's a guess...because I haven't found anything when I search for "AR-30 accessories" or "AR-30 Buttstock" or any other of 20 ways I've searched on dozens of websites. I'm also guessing that the monopod that I see is a universal or made for something else that happens to fit. Either way, it looks like it works.

I read somewhere in a forum that someone said CAA makes a butt stock or an adapter to fit after market buttstocks to and this is just NOT accurate information. I called CAA in Pennsylvania and they don't make diddly for the AR-30.

The only modifiable piece I've found for my AR-30 (short of taking it to a gunsmith) is the pistol grip and the one I put on wasn't meant for the rifle, but I cut the dovetail off and made if fit for a much more girthy pistol grip. It works well. I'm not pulling shots to the left any more since I replaced it too, because it's thicker, it fits my big mits better and my thumb rests better naturally and I don't fumble with my thumb the way I did with the OEM grip. A small seemingly inconsequential mod made a difference down range.

Armalite 'says' if you call them and on the website that the trigger is "not user adjustable" but oh contrare...in fact IT IS MODIFIABLE...IF you know what you're doing.

It's a Shilen trigger and it adjusts the exact same way as a Remmy 700. I wonder why they don't tell the consumer that and it's not printed in the manual or any place I've found on the web.

Anyway, if you're looking for the AR-30 to get pretty inexpensively into the .338 Lapua Mag realm, this is a great rifle at roughly $1,800.00 as opposed to its competition which starts at about $5,000.00 w/out optics. Just keep in mind, the current iteration of the AR-30 is as bare bones as it gets.

My biggest gripe about the rifle is that ya can’t really do squat to the rifle. I mean who doesn't tweak their gear? Cars? Motorcycles? Field gear? Rifles? It's what we do...right?

You really can’t modify the butt stock (or change it..because no one makes an adapter and design seems to be proprietary)
Can’t modify/adjust the trigger (or so they say)
Can’t change or get a site base with more MOA. (Correction as pointed out to me, in fact a 20MOA base is available at http://www.usoptics.com/accD.php?recordID=AR-30 )

I have a Millet LRS-1 scope on my AR-30. Those rings from Millet are HUGE and my scope sits at a stout 2.7 inches above center bore. At that height, when I actually rest my cheek on the cheek rest, I can't even see the glass on my scope. I have to turkey neck EVERYTIME because it’s just not adjustable...most would simply adjust the cheek rest and be done with it. If you have this problem with a stout 35mm tube, US Optics seems to make a few sets of 35mm rings that will sit the scope lower to the rifle http://www.usoptics.com/acc.php?typeID=Mounts%20-%20Rings

To any manufacturers out there:
Would someone consider making an adapter for the AR-30 butt stock PLEASE so it's owners can buy decent stocks and actually afix it to our rifle? Anybody?

The one real benefit of this rifle though (I’ve gotta give ArmaLite ‘some’ kudos) is its accuracy. Damn this thing is accurate as heck. I’ve shot it out to 1075 and with my 511 Tactical ballistics watch was hitting 12”x18” targets at 1075 yards all day long. I mean it was EASY!!! (remember the watch gave me my DOPE)

I was using the Lapua 250gr FMJBT bullet, Lapua brass w/90.0 gr of Retumbo and this rifle was outstanding in the area of accuracy up to and beyond (albeit not terribly much) 1000 yards. Amazing how easy it was to hit something that size at that distance with the right hardware.

So there's a huge trade off in my opinion with this platform.
If you get the .338 you get the benefits of the accuracy and capability of that round first and foremost. The rifle does a very good job of putting that round on target at distance...I can not for a second argue that fact.

The bottom line with this rifle is that I’m disappointed that I can do virtually nothing to it to make it more comfortable. It’s just illogical (to me) that someone would make a sniper platform and not think about the modification aspect. I’d likely not buy another for that reason and that reason alone.

Just my 2 cents and experiences thus far (and a little bit of a rant thrown in for good measures
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Happy shooting!!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LapuaLover</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
...Can’t change or get a site base with more MOA...

...Something w/more minutes built into it. Armalite doesn’t make a site base for this rifle w/any more than 10 MOA built into it (at least these days), nor does anyone else (at least that’s what they say and all I can find.)...

... Those rings from Millet are HUGE and my scope sits at a stout 2.7 inches above center bore. At that height, when I actually rest my cheek on the cheek rest, I can't even see the glass on my scope. I have to turkey neck EVERYTIME because it’s just not adjustable...

...The one real benefit of this rifle though (I’ve gotta give ArmaLite ‘some’ kudos) is its accuracy. Damn this thing is accurate as heck. I’ve shot it out to 1075 and with my 511 tactical ballistics watch was hitting 12”x18” targets at 1075 yards all day long. I mean it was straight up EASY!!! ...

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I've redacted the post above to key in on some things you (or I) may find useful.

1) US Optics makes a base...give them a call
2) Change your rings
3) You cannot get a consistent cheekweld, but it's "straight up EASY" to hit 12x18 plates "all day long" at 1075 yrds?...*confused*...

Off, but returning to, topic... do any other AR30 338 owners out there take issue with the front of their loaded and installed mags diving a bit, particularly under recoil?

Scott Mcree...please help !!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hemiram347</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Scott Mcree...please help !!
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+1!!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LapuaLover</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I do see in some of the pics posted here a few ad ons, but I'm guessing they're not designed for the rifle, there designed for something else and happen to work or made/customized to fit? I'm also guessing the person that made the cheek rest for his did it at the expense of sacrificing another stock he had to use that piece on his rifle?
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All I did was take off the factory cheek piece and attach my own Franken-piece. I didn't sacrifice anything but a little time. It works fine until something better comes along. At least it is adjustable.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hemiram347</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LapuaLover</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
...Can’t change or get a site base with more MOA...

...Something w/more minutes built into it. Armalite doesn’t make a site base for this rifle w/any more than 10 MOA built into it (at least these days), nor does anyone else (at least that’s what they say and all I can find.)...

... Those rings from Millet are HUGE and my scope sits at a stout 2.7 inches above center bore. At that height, when I actually rest my cheek on the cheek rest, I can't even see the glass on my scope. I have to turkey neck EVERYTIME because it’s just not adjustable...

...The one real benefit of this rifle though (I’ve gotta give ArmaLite ‘some’ kudos) is its accuracy. Damn this thing is accurate as heck. I’ve shot it out to 1075 and with my 511 tactical ballistics watch was hitting 12”x18” targets at 1075 yards all day long. I mean it was straight up EASY!!! ...

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I've redacted the post above to key in on some things you (or I) may find useful.

1) US Optics makes a base...give them a call
2) Change your rings
3) You cannot get a consistent cheekweld, but it's "straight up EASY" to hit 12x18 plates "all day long" at 1075 yrds?...*confused*...

Off, but returning to, topic... do any other AR30 338 owners out there take issue with the front of their loaded and installed mags diving a bit, particularly under recoil?

Scott Mcree...please help !!
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Yes, it is easy as can be to hit targets at that distance, even w/out a consistent cheekweld. I understand how someone could question that, but it's true. I'd have to say a lot of it has to do with the round itself. I mean the 300gr Lapua Scenar has a .805 BC and the 300gr Sierra MK has a .755 BC. Those bullets fly well. (and I realize my post said I was using the Lapua 250gr FMJBT...it's got a BC of .662, which isn't terrible) I guess I compensate well and have unfortunately gotten so used to the bad habit of turkey necking that I've managed to make it work for me. I understand the 'settling in' or 'resting into' my position on gun, so when I'm steady as I can be, a paused breath and perfect sight picture and send it down range, yeah, I'm hitting the hell out of targets at that distance with a fraction of the effort I've had to use w/say a .308 at 1000 yards.

Rather then using my cheek bone, I'm actually using my jaw muscle. Make sense? When you bite down and/or grit your teeth, the muscles you feel on either side....I'm using that spot on my face to rest. I said turkey necking...and largely I am, but while doing that I'm able to stabilize on my jaw muscle. I know it's not ideal but it's been doing the job for now. (although I complain about it
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Might sound far fetched, but I've done it w/people there watching. I thought I'd have issues at that distance before ever having the opportunity to actually shoot that distance because of the platform being difficult to get on gun the same way consistently, but as I said it's been working. I too thought it would be more difficult, but the round fly's well and the rifle sends it well, I understand the fundamentals of marksmanship and have gotten proficient using my 511 Tactical ballistics watch. It's giving me my DOPE.

Thanks for the info about U.S. Optics. They don't seem to advertise it. Google searches haven't brought up their site when I searched.

As far as rings...again, searches have yielded no results because they're Millet. 35mm rings. I had no luck finding anything. If you know of a manufacturer that makes 35mm rings, I'd appreciate you sharing that piece of info because 2.7 inches center scope-to-center bore is a bit much.

Also, yes, my mags dive forward a bit, although I haven't noticed that it's recoil induced or made worse by recoil. Simply after seating my mag and giving it a wiggle I see my mags naturally falling forward a bit (if that makes sense) but it's not enough to cause any difficulty chambering a round (yet anyway) so I haven't given it a 2nd thought. Are you getting any trouble when trying to chamber a round?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XLR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would be willing to build a complete stock for the AR 30.</div></div>

Really!! Please, tell me more. Options? cost? availability?

Either PM me or simply post it for others too. You never know, with such limited options available for the platform, having that posted publicly might bring you some more business.
 
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The difference in the AR 15 and AR 10 PRS butt stock is the length of the cheek rest. I am sure the AR10 would be fine for any application. If you wanted the longer cheek rest, you would need to measure how far back the bolt travels so as not to contact the rest.
 
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There is a video for the APA adapter, but it looks like the length of pull with the PRS or a A2 stock would be extremely long. A laid an A2 stock up to my AR30 and it looks like it will be about 2.5 to 3 inches longer with an adapter I am guessing that adds about another inch. I am thinking a Magpul CTG with a riser and a thicker buttpad may be ticket or contact XLR for one of his butt stocks.

Here is the link to the video
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Keep in mind there is a major problem with using the PRS stock! I discussed this at great length with Armalite some time back. And he brought up the point that the check rest is way to far to the rear on the PRS stock to be useful on the AR-30. If you look at were you put your cheek on your factory stock, then look at were the cheek rest is at on the PRS you will see that it will be all the way at the back of your head. About the only way I can see to make it work is if you could make some kind of extension for the cheek rest just on the LH or RH side that would clear the bolt. I plan on getting an adapter, but still looking for a stock that will work. I sure do not want to spend all that $ just to have to hack up another stock.
 
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I bought the adapter and got a PRS. The length of pull is a little longer and even with the adjustable comb, the cheek height is still too low. I didn't notice the cheek position being too far back though. Once I get this setup where I want it, I will write up a review with pics. Another idea is to run a standard AR stock and build off of that platform. Either way, it's a huge improvement over the factory stock. The adapter is a major step in the right direction.
 
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Any one have a allied precision arms bipod? I have a problem with my bipod (Harris) sliding forward after a few rounds. I cant get it to stay put (adapter slides forward). I finally put a few drops of Loctite on the adapter the other night.
 
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I modified my check piece on the factory stock. As I am a right hand shooter, I had no need for it in the LH side. I think it looks a lot better. I also made a spacer for the but pad to make the length of pull a little longer (I am 6'6"). I adder a Magpul MOE grip, and a Yankee Hill flash hider so I can shoot it with out my ears bleeding. Just some of the mods I did to mine. There are things that can be done to improve these rifles, in my opinion. For what it is worth. Not much! HA


I would post some pic but I can not seem to figure out how.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dave_</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I bought the adapter and got a PRS. The length of pull is a little longer and even with the adjustable comb, the cheek height is still too low. I didn't notice the cheek position being too far back though. Once I get this setup where I want it, I will write up a review with pics. Another idea is to run a standard AR stock and build off of that platform. Either way, it's a huge improvement over the factory stock. The adapter is a major step in the right direction.</div></div>

I look forward to seeing how your rifle turned out. I think my problem is I have my scope mounted in low rings to keep it as close to the bore axis as possible. This keeps me from sliding it to far back. So my cheek is about centered on the factory cheek rest. This puts me way to far forward for the PRS check rest. the plus is the factory rest is just the right hight for my low mounted scope. I would just hate to mount the scope higher, but I guess I might have to. Can you tell me how much longer your length of pull is with the PRS stock??

Thanks!!