Sidearms & Scatterguns Ar pistols
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I have "pistol" marked lower and uppers in both 5.56 and .300BO. Ive found the 300 to be the handiest little thing since the bottle opener. Its become my "ranch gun" and truck gun all in one. 8" barrel good to 150yds+ with Barnes black tips. Whats not to like??
An article in Dillons Blue Press a few months ago discussed the single most important feature of any .223 pistol using a stabilizing brace;
Your CCW allows you to carry it the same as any more conventional pistol.
It's a hassle to carry a concealed SBR, even if your CCW allows "Weapon or Weapons".
Mine is a Galil Ace. I conceals wonderfully, and is way fun to shoot. I had to loose the flash hider to fit it in my pack.
AR Variants just can not get as compact as the AK sort, burt if I wanted an AR, it would be the TROY pistol.
Your CCW allows you to carry it the same as any more conventional pistol.
It's a hassle to carry a concealed SBR, even if your CCW allows "Weapon or Weapons".
Mine is a Galil Ace. I conceals wonderfully, and is way fun to shoot. I had to loose the flash hider to fit it in my pack.
AR Variants just can not get as compact as the AK sort, burt if I wanted an AR, it would be the TROY pistol.
Between the pdw braces and the folding braces that are more recent I regret the $200 spent and year wait for my sbrs
Depends on the task you want to fill. I have a few with 10.5 an 11.5 barrels. To 300yds with comp 4's mounted it's a give me. Across the steering wheel in a hurry, stick with 20 rd mags. I built mine because in bama you can carry a loaded pistol in the truck, but not a rifle.
Late 2014. That one was actually 36 days, but I think I had one that was 28 days
Times started growing after that, my next stamp was a form 1 can submitted 12/15, it was roughly 90 days, submitted a form 1 for an mpx in November of 15 and it was roughly 90 days. Last form 1 I did was right before 41f deadline and it was over a year
My first for a MG was 63 days door to door that was back in the late 70s, had more in the stamp than the gun, LOL
I have a couple. The 5.56 never gets touched really. I have 300blk with an 8.3" barrel that is my truck gun. under 26" so it is good under my CCW. awesome little gun.
Unfortunately, I missed the boat on cheap MGs. I passed on an M10 45 last year for $4500 and have been regretting it ever since. I already have too many expensive hobbies. And i had just dropped 3k fencing the back yard in for the damn dogs. Luckily I have several friends with Tranny mgs and I never have any trouble scratching that full auto itch when it comes up
Had many belt feds along the way but always wanted to own a quad 50. Love those things, but wife an kids came first. A pair of MG 42's or a 134D for air guard ain't that bad, but the quad was/is my favorite. Always wanted to bang a quad that was fitted with M85's but never got the chance to-date.
My pistol 300 blackout with 7.5 inch barrel is fun with a suppressor. The ar pistol being lighter and shorter just makes the suppressor experience better and more fieldable. Also the shorter barrel is more forgiving on my cast polymer coated reloads staying below the sound barrier.
With the quality of the Braces out on the market now....there is really little benefit left to going the SBR route.
i just built this last week.
7.5" .223 wylde
SB PDW brace
thing is remarkably light and handy......didnt have to wait months for govt approval, didnt have to pay a tax, i dont need permission to travel over state lines, and its covered under CCW so it can be carried loaded in a car.
i just built this last week.
7.5" .223 wylde
SB PDW brace
thing is remarkably light and handy......didnt have to wait months for govt approval, didnt have to pay a tax, i dont need permission to travel over state lines, and its covered under CCW so it can be carried loaded in a car.
A LAW tactical folder is a very nice addition.... I don't carry mine on a regular basis but it is very nice to be able to put it in a regular old backpack when traveling and not raise any eyebrows going into hotels, etc.
The Law Gen3 folders are really nice kit. I put them on all my SBR's just for compactness sake.
However assembling an AR-pistol with a folding stock violates the generosity of the BATFE rules, as apparently the agent(s) can / may / or will measure the AR pistol with the stock folded to it's shortest OAL....then it's actually transformed to an unregistered AOW not a AR pistol and not an SBR, since it was never a rifle from birth. It sounds like a lot of potential legal commotion to convert a AR-pistol with a buffer tube to a stock containing a buffer tube (receiver extension) that folds away from the receiver.
Some discussion here:
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/05/24/oal-brace-folded/
Here's a few BATFE SBR's (some 9 mm, 5.56, 300 BlkOut) with the kit.
However assembling an AR-pistol with a folding stock violates the generosity of the BATFE rules, as apparently the agent(s) can / may / or will measure the AR pistol with the stock folded to it's shortest OAL....then it's actually transformed to an unregistered AOW not a AR pistol and not an SBR, since it was never a rifle from birth. It sounds like a lot of potential legal commotion to convert a AR-pistol with a buffer tube to a stock containing a buffer tube (receiver extension) that folds away from the receiver.
Some discussion here:
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/05/24/oal-brace-folded/
Here's a few BATFE SBR's (some 9 mm, 5.56, 300 BlkOut) with the kit.
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let be honest here.....did anyone actually follow the guidelines when they stated you couldnt shoulder it?....no.
it was unenforceable...
and even on the astronomically high odds you got taken to court over it......how is the atf going to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that you shouldered a brace as opposed to just got it REALLY REALLY close to your shoulder?
the whole thing was stupid.....even the ATF realized it was stupid.....which is why they didnt put up much fuss when they reviewed their initial statement.
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Only an issue if you have a VFG. Stockless with a VFG, > 26" = firearm, < 26" = AOW.
Only an issue if you have a VFG. Stockless with a VFG, > 26" = firearm, < 26" = AOW.
Here's the transformation of the Wilson. Hard to believe that just changing a few similar parts triggers (pun intended) all the time, $ and paperwork.
Glock-based AR9G 8" pistol with Shockblade.
Buffer tube exchanged for fitting adjustable stock. Suddenly illegal on multiple counts.
Law Tactical Gen3M added.
Glock-based AR9G 8" pistol with Shockblade.
Buffer tube exchanged for fitting adjustable stock. Suddenly illegal on multiple counts.
Law Tactical Gen3M added.
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