After giving up on the AR10 6mm Creedmoor, and installing the 6.5 Creedmoor barrel, I think she's a shooter!
AR10 65 Creedmoor Video at 637 Yards
AR10 65 Creedmoor Video at 637 Yards
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AR10 6.5 Creedmoor at 637 Yards
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Issues with feeding, some bullets would not contact the feed ramp, then they would hit the back of the barrel.
Others have seen similar issue with the AR10 6mm Creedmoor.
This was the experience from another guy.
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What is happening is the 6mm bullet is thin enough to be pushed between the lugs and hit the back of the barrel. No amount of polishing on the feed ramps will help because the bullet doesn't even touch the feed ramps.
This is generally the case with the longer higher BC bullets. There is usually a chamfer on the end of the barrel to help with feeding but it varies depending on Barrel. With my JP barrel, 105 hybrids would hit the back of the barrel before chambering, resulting in meplat damage, 105 RDFs did the same. 110 SMKs would not feed at all, the tip would jam into the back of the barrel and stop all forward motion.
We are not the first people to experience this, I was warned about it by my smith (PVA) and they even refuse to chamber any AR-10 barrel in 6mm anything for this reason. FWIW, I did not have this issue with the 108 ELD or the 107 SMK.
This was one of the reasons I ditched my 6cm AR-10 and went back to 6.5. The other reason was that I couldn't get the velocities I wanted without blowing primers, even with a +2 gas system. 6cm really needs a +3 gas...."
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What is happening is the 6mm bullet is thin enough to be pushed between the lugs and hit the back of the barrel. No amount of polishing on the feed ramps will help because the bullet doesn't even touch the feed ramps.
This is generally the case with the longer higher BC bullets. There is usually a chamfer on the end of the barrel to help with feeding but it varies depending on Barrel. With my JP barrel, 105 hybrids would hit the back of the barrel before chambering, resulting in meplat damage, 105 RDFs did the same. 110 SMKs would not feed at all, the tip would jam into the back of the barrel and stop all forward motion.
We are not the first people to experience this, I was warned about it by my smith (PVA) and they even refuse to chamber any AR-10 barrel in 6mm anything for this reason. FWIW, I did not have this issue with the 108 ELD or the 107 SMK.
This was one of the reasons I ditched my 6cm AR-10 and went back to 6.5. The other reason was that I couldn't get the velocities I wanted without blowing primers, even with a +2 gas system. 6cm really needs a +3 gas...."
“Vapor trace” and whew 637yards all
in one thread with an over produced video. Perfect combo
in one thread with an over produced video. Perfect combo
Its funny how people who feel the need to condescendingly poke fun at other people for absolutely no reason have no idea that they do it because deep down they are insecure and weak. Seriously, think about it and ask yourself why someone would try to make someone look or feel bad for no reason at all? The only logical answer is that people who behave like that do it because deep down they aren’t confident enough in themselves; so they unconsciously feel the need to push people down to appear superior to others. They would never admit that to themselves without some serious self examination which is too scary for them. They typically never grow up and live their whole life like this. It’s a bit sad actually. The guys like the one in the video will wake up tomorrow and probably go have a kick ass time making another video. Others will wake up taking themselves way too seriously and spend the day trying to do be cool enough to feel accepted. Keep shooting OP. My goal next time I get out is to have as much fun as you did in that video.
Yes, I am guilty of thinking it is nuts to go to that extreme of a production to show ones shot. This comes from a guy who owned a production company so I know first hand the seconds to hour conversion.
There is more going on in this video and the effort behind it than a guy sharing his first shot. Maybe it is someone coming on the Hide trying to get more subscribers for their YouTube channel. He is an enthusiastic newbie with 6,000 subscribers? Maybe it is someone being a bit less than clear, trying use the Hide for monitory gain without thinking to ask Frank— IDK. But it is not as it appears.
Really, ya, that’s what it is, I am insecure. As I could only be the one your talking about, I’ll make sure to put zero effort into trying to help you in the future. Hell, you seem to know it all already.
Make no mistake, my post was not subconscious-
It would be good to look into the mirror..
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So he is to be made fun of because you used to own a production company and you can tell he put a lot of work into the video. Yep you busted him. The dude literally said in the video that he put a lot of work into the video. Nice to drop that you used to own a production company though, points!
Holy crap how many times are you going to edit that post lol. Yep, come back and add some stuff about the guy trying to rip off the site for subscribers to make the post less petty and be the protector of the hide as well. Nice! The original post is still quoted above though.
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I post via Siri— yep, have to repeat lots of times. I always do.. so what.
Look, I take cell phone videos if I want to share something in here because I am not trying to monetize my shooting via YouTube. If I was, I’d certainly be clear in my post. And a post made simply to drive us to a channel that he is monetizing, without being clear is not cool with me and should not be with you either.
I also can appreciate a production value... he does a great job on his YouTube channel. But it is a business adventure.
Good for you to stand up for the innocent. Hope to see you joined his patreon..
Okay, so many talking points to address.
A big reason I stopped posting on a lot of talk forums, specifically gun talk forums. There will always be that one or two guys who cry FOUL, you are using this gun forum to promote your YouTube Channel, etc....
A little history about myself. I am an electrical engineer by trade specializing in factory automation [PLC controls and SCADA networks] with 30 years of experience.
One of my real passions is shooting, hunting, and producing videos.
If I look at my YouTube Analytics for the last 28 days; I am averaging 97.3 cents / 1,000 views or approximately $0.0973 per individual click or view.
I produced and published this video on August 19, 2018 and so far have gained 381 views or
381 x $0.0973 = $0.3707 or about 37 cents
I have estimated that since I posted this video on snipershide.com, that I have gained 11 views or
11 x $0.0973 = $0.0107 or about 1 cent
As you have stated, to be fair to Frank G. I should at the minimum give him at least a 70% share or approximately $0.007 or about .7 cents to date.
HECK I can't even give him my 2 cents..sorry, couldn't resist..lol
If you have followed the complete and total debacle of YouTube in regards to gun channels, PRO 2A channels, etc....all of these channels have suffered significantly in regards to their videos with gun content getting de-monetized.
In fact, all of my hunting videos have been de-monetized. The primary reason why I started my YouTube Channel back in 2011 was to share my hunting videos. Heck, I did not even start monetizing my videos until after I had gained about 330,000 views after YouTube contacted me. Look at my older groundhog hunting videos...
Thus, enter my Patreon account to help offset this dynamic. By the way, I started my Patreon account from the advisement of Eric from Iraqveteran8888.
In the past 6 months, even though my subscribers have grown to over 6,000+. My views have significantly diminished because YouTube has severely restricted when and where my videos get seen.
Do I or have I ever planned on running my YouTube Channel as a business??
HAHAHA......the anecdote " Don't quit your day job" applies here quite well.
Finally, if I may ask Diver160651, why do you no longer have your production company??
If I may use your words...
".....It would be good to look into the mirror....."
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I admit that my initial impression was very similar to Diver's. I didn't post my opinion, because I don't think my critique matters much. But since it's become an issue in the thread, I'll just say that it's cool that the OP is psyched up about his AR and shooting steel at over 600 yards. To the Youtube crowd, that may have more impact than here. Hell, there's probably people here that shoot BB guns and slingshots 600 yards @ 2 MOA. I used to be able to pee that far.
HAHA, thank you TripleBull.
Yes, I am very excited that I finally got my 1st and only AR10 to actually chamber a round and shoot! After the 6mm Creedmoor debacle I had experienced, anything that actually chambered [in this case the 6.5 Creedmoor] was great. The fact that it actually shoots at mid-range is even better!!
Maybe not so much a big bully thing, as maybe a slight jealousy thing...'course I am just guessing on how Diver160651 really feels....and his 25 subscribers on his YouTube Channel...
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Diver160651 Video Link
If you click on your YouTube Channel links in Diver160651's signature, he has videos as well.
Have you reached an agreement with Frank to give a portion of your earnings to him?
Glass houses and throwing stones comes to my mind.....
Do you REALIZE that some of the components in your build list on your ELR DIY Target Cam tested well past 2000m actively competes with some of snipershide.com sponsors???
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If I may say this. And I challenge Diver160651 to do the same thing on his YouTube Channel.
On my next video I will openly promote snipershide.com in the video, as well as put a link in the video's description.
I can promise you that snipershide.com will gain more benefit than I will on my YouTube Channel....
On my next video I will openly promote snipershide.com in the video, as well as put a link in the video's description.
I can promise you that snipershide.com will gain more benefit than I will on my YouTube Channel....
Hey nice video, I just got a 6.5 Jp-lrp007 and LOVE it. Took it out to 1018 last weekend!!
On another note...........Frank is very capable of defending himself. he doesn't need your help.
On another note...........Frank is very capable of defending himself. he doesn't need your help.
You clearly posted click bait type post.
You have lots of views because you are experienced and produce nice quality. So I’m not buying that you just wanted to share. I for one don’t appreciate getting duped.
No go back and look at those video threads. The ELR diy camera stuff was from 3 site mergers ago and all were threads in the diy section, for the benefit of the members on here. I didn’t click bait first, try to get something personally or financially from them. Same idea for the diy barricade. Those including a few others are stupid cell phone clips to support the forum and questions I’ve seen others ask. The information on the posts was only supported by the photos and cell videos, not the other way.
Now to your question about competing with vendors. No it was NOT competing with anyone on here when it was posted. It was the only system that worked at those ranges past 3000 yards at the time. I certainly was not selling anything either. It was one of the top viewed threads (Killswitch and the scope tracking was the highest) on the old site by the members here. Why, do I bring the views up? Because those of us shooting ELR, needed something better than was commercially available at the time. The videos weren’t the post, the videos were not even really important in the post. The information in the post is what was being viewed. I can care less about my stupid cell phone videos. The thread was solely for Hide’s ELR shooters benefit not mine. Below is directly copied from the thread your questioning.
Everyone one here tends to be very clear what they are doing. It is completely pale that your where not honest or forthcoming, now pretend like your going to be doing the Hide a favor.
Just be fucking honest in your intentions, or at least the reason you are posting so you don’t waste people’s time under a click bate type post.
Most the guys on the hide and an entire host of guys making money in the gun industry are clear in their posts, aren’t running click bait type posts and are class acts.
You have lots of views because you are experienced and produce nice quality. So I’m not buying that you just wanted to share. I for one don’t appreciate getting duped.
No go back and look at those video threads. The ELR diy camera stuff was from 3 site mergers ago and all were threads in the diy section, for the benefit of the members on here. I didn’t click bait first, try to get something personally or financially from them. Same idea for the diy barricade. Those including a few others are stupid cell phone clips to support the forum and questions I’ve seen others ask. The information on the posts was only supported by the photos and cell videos, not the other way.
Now to your question about competing with vendors. No it was NOT competing with anyone on here when it was posted. It was the only system that worked at those ranges past 3000 yards at the time. I certainly was not selling anything either. It was one of the top viewed threads (Killswitch and the scope tracking was the highest) on the old site by the members here. Why, do I bring the views up? Because those of us shooting ELR, needed something better than was commercially available at the time. The videos weren’t the post, the videos were not even really important in the post. The information in the post is what was being viewed. I can care less about my stupid cell phone videos. The thread was solely for Hide’s ELR shooters benefit not mine. Below is directly copied from the thread your questioning.
This is a copy of my 2012 ELR build - re built the best I could for the hide/Scout and now here again. Some of the images can't display due to the limitations on media -
Build list at the bottom: (if you shop around, you'll find better deals than the example links in the build list)
I've been asked a bunch about using an iPad as a receiving unit. Most ELR shooting does not involve a bench or shaded shooting positions and uses larger calibers often with a brake. Dirt from the muzzle blast is a real issue for electronics. iPads are also very prone to overheating and shutting off; they are expensive and fragile. IMHO, the idea of an iPad receiving unit might be fine for bench shooters, but has no place in the dusty desert.. Commercial units do not offer the things I wanted from this build. Hope you find the information helpful.
Features not included in commercial units:
Everyone one here tends to be very clear what they are doing. It is completely pale that your where not honest or forthcoming, now pretend like your going to be doing the Hide a favor.
Just be fucking honest in your intentions, or at least the reason you are posting so you don’t waste people’s time under a click bate type post.
Most the guys on the hide and an entire host of guys making money in the gun industry are clear in their posts, aren’t running click bait type posts and are class acts.
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I was/am completely honest in my intentions.
Initial post
"...After giving up on the AR10 6mm Creedmoor, and installing the 6.5 Creedmoor barrel, I think she's a shooter!..."
I am very ecstatic that I got my AR10 to finally run 100% albeit by changing to the 6.5mm Creedmoor.
You read way too much into it assuming that I was another YouTuber posting a click bait thread.
Honestly, making $1 for every 1,000 clicks is pretty freaking pathetic. I know, because I openly posted what I make.
No. I am not Iraqveteran8888 nor MAC nor Demolition Ranch.
I am a shooter, hunter, and part time videographer who enjoys my hobby and occasion likes to share it with others.
I will leave it at that.
Btw, I do work with a lot of folks in the gun and outdoors industry, the honest ones stick together.
It seems really hard to make money in the gun industry, when social media works against it.
Again, your videos are very good.. I just want to know what I am getting into, from the post. Ya, I felt like I was going to see a newer long range shooter or something to those lines.
If you are not a click bait guy, truly a straight up guy, you'll be an asset to us using the hide and welcome..
Copy that.
I had joined the Hide back in 2011 or so. Lost my login credentials after I dropped my one ISP and email.
Yes, I do appreciate all of the information I have learned on the Hide over the years.
And I apologize for the rants.
For Gods sake the guy posted a YouTube video of himself shooting some targets on a website about guys shooting targets.
Remember my first post about logic. I think we all logically know what the real issue here is no matter how much shade is thrown on it to try and cover it up.
Remember my first post about logic. I think we all logically know what the real issue here is no matter how much shade is thrown on it to try and cover it up.
Look.. it was click bait - Is it over? I hope so. Is the guy a good guy? I hope so, it actually sound like it.
Am I trying to hide hide or cover something up? Absolutely not.
I am also not a guy to come on here and be a classic dick to someone who has tried to help them.. you are a piece of work.
Bro don't call me a dick for calling you out for being a dick. You clearly came in here making fun of the lingo used and the distance the guy was shooting and also made fun of the production of the video itself. Then you got called out for being an insecure dick and suddenly started with a high and mighty defender of the hide act. It is all there for us to read. I don't give a crap if someone "tried to help me", if they make fun of other people for no reason I will call them out. "Trying to help me" doesn't mean I will overlook douchey insults to someone who doesn't deserve them.
I'll tell you the difference in you and me in this scenario. Say me, you, and the OP were all at the range on different lanes. OP is making the video. In real life you would not have gone up to him, a stranger, and made fun of him. Why? See my first post. The internet makes for easy tough guys. In the same scenario if someone did come up and make fun of him I would be the first one to walk over befriend the guy and tell the person causing drama to fuck off. See what I am getting at? You can claim clickbait all you want but hundreds of people here have posted videos of themselves shooting targets, including you. Just because he has 6k subscribers and you have 12 doesn't mean his is clickbait and yours is not. I understand that doesn't fit your excuse, but it is the truth nonetheless.
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WTF - I did not make fun of his production value (just the opposite). I did not make fun of him for making a video.. I busted balls for what I thought was click bait, period.
At this point, it is no longer about the OP correct? Your issue is with me, not even my post - you do what you always seem to do. Your MO is to cause a bunch of shit, you do so in many threads acting like Dudley Do-right.
Many times you have no idea what you're are talking about. Heck you take on of the very building blocks of marksmanship (focusing on the reticle/ Slowly squeezing the trigger making sure the reticle is on target the moment of the brake) and say it is wrong. Go on to suggest to others (paraphrasing) to become one with the gun and will the bullet onto target. Then, get irritated with me when I say focusing on the reticle is key, then ask lowlight LOL who agrees. Maybe it's your responses that in aggregate, need to be questioned
You have thread after thread stepped in to say someone is not acting correctly or whatever, you've been called out in several threads always to have some lame ass excuse.
Some of it back in threads like the Rex thread, some very recent. The Everyday Sniper Episode 84 Gunwerks AAR, you get called out for the same behavior and a few of us step in with a suggestions for an out, so you start Positions to practice for first match? Where we continue to offer help.
You are something, you've started more shit in more threads than anyone I can remember..
At this point, it is no longer about the OP correct? Your issue is with me, not even my post - you do what you always seem to do. Your MO is to cause a bunch of shit, you do so in many threads acting like Dudley Do-right.
Many times you have no idea what you're are talking about. Heck you take on of the very building blocks of marksmanship (focusing on the reticle/ Slowly squeezing the trigger making sure the reticle is on target the moment of the brake) and say it is wrong. Go on to suggest to others (paraphrasing) to become one with the gun and will the bullet onto target. Then, get irritated with me when I say focusing on the reticle is key, then ask lowlight LOL who agrees. Maybe it's your responses that in aggregate, need to be questioned
You have thread after thread stepped in to say someone is not acting correctly or whatever, you've been called out in several threads always to have some lame ass excuse.
Some of it back in threads like the Rex thread, some very recent. The Everyday Sniper Episode 84 Gunwerks AAR, you get called out for the same behavior and a few of us step in with a suggestions for an out, so you start Positions to practice for first match? Where we continue to offer help.
You are something, you've started more shit in more threads than anyone I can remember..
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And in the meantime the OP's thread has been fully hijacked by some idiotic pillow fight.
Seems unnecessary to make any comment other than the content of the OG post.
Perhaps no new ground was broken, but the video was worth watching. Thanks for posting.
Seems unnecessary to make any comment other than the content of the OG post.
Perhaps no new ground was broken, but the video was worth watching. Thanks for posting.
We have the pit for all this purse swinging. Maybe start a thread there and use the @ function to being participants instead of shitting up the tech sections.
Dang, for a second there I was having flashbacks thinking it was 2010 and I was on a AR15.com thread. I see Diver has a high post count; good thing I know to ignore his future ones. I, like others, prefer on subject comments. I don't care how far the shots were, I enjoyed the video and for certain it's better than anything I could do with the camera equipment I own.
You don't care how far the shots were? Why the fuck you hang out here then?
Hundreds and hundreds of people have legit zero issue with 6CM in an AR10. And many that shoot high above this OPs pay grade
Just cause some dude and his buddies couldn't build an AR10 in a garage to shoot 6CM doesn't mean its impossible
Trust me. 6CM in an AR10 is boatloads of fun and not hard at all
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