AR15 Match Upper - Which way to go?

[Pinecone]

I just picked up a law enforcement trade in 6921. My plan was to convert it to a match rifle. Once I got into pricing things, I found I could get a complete upper for similar price or not much more. So which way to go?

Build upper from existing gun - $850 in parts and $50 in tools needed. This would be Lilja barrel, free floated handguard, NM front and rear sights.

Rock River Arms - Complete upper, heavy SS match barrel (1:8), free float handguard, NM sights - A2 NM $815, A4 NM $765 plus $165 for carry handle with NM rear sight.

White Oak Armaments - Complete upper, 1:7 barrel, comes with complete BCG and charging handle - A2 NM $795 with pinned rear sight, A4 $685 plus $230 for carry handle with pinned rear sight.

Fulton Armory - Complete upper - A2 $1099.95 (Fulton/Criterion barrel, 1:8), A4 $1249.95 (FA/Criterion) add $400 for Krieger barrel (1:7).

And I am sure there are a few more.

Complete upper means I could re-barrel the current upper to SBR (with tax stamp) with just a barrel. I have a Geissele NM trigger for the lower.

Thanks for your thoughts.

 

[Birddog6424]

What kind of matches are you shooting?

 

[catatonic]

What kind of matches are you shooting?

Looks like he's looking into CMP/NRA Service Rifle.

 

[Pinecone]

Sorry, yes, CMP type.

 

[FALex]

Although I may feel like I am starting to sound like a broken record, I have to push folks toward JP Enterprises.

I just received my 18" JP-15 and it is just astonishing the quality of craftsmanship involved in the production of these rifles. No, I haven't shot it yet (trying to decide on optics).

I wish people that are on the fence about these "which AR should I get" issues could take a trip out here and shoot my LRP-07. I couldn't fathom anyone not going with JP after that (well, budget being the only true prohibition)....

 

[Pinecone]

One major problem:

Cannot ship to CT, MA, MD, NJ and NY.

Which means they are one of the suppliers that cannot read a law and comply with it. Uppers are perfectly legal to buy in MD. And I can also buy uppers out of state, as they are NOT firearms.

Sorry, will not do business with a company that throws people from socialistic states to the wolves rather than actually comprehend the law and work WITH the residents of those states.

 

[Whiskey 2-1]

White Oak or Compass Lake are staples of the HP community. Both builders are good people who support the industry. A build by either will take you to High Master if you can hold hard enough. Love my Compass Lake.

 

[CriterionBarrels]

Feel free to take a look at our A2 match upper as well. It is available for sale exclusively through Creedmoor Sports.

A2 Service Rifle Upper Receiver

 

[Pinecone]

I was leaning to the White Oak. I will look at Compass Lake , if I can ever access their site. I am getting a site unavailable message right now.

I will put Criteron in the mix. But I was thinking A4 upper with NM sight in carry handle. That way I could mount an optic for load development.

Another question to add to this, with or without flash suppressor? I have heard that without is more accurate.

Thanks.

 

[Alaska]

Compass lake Eng is a choice of uppers and barrels. I use a MK 12 Douglas Prem 18" on my SPR with 1-7 Twist.

 

[solidgun]

One major problem:



Which means they are one of the suppliers that cannot read a law and comply with it. Uppers are perfectly legal to buy in MD. And I can also buy uppers out of state, as they are NOT firearms.

Sorry, will not do business with a company that throws people from socialistic states to the wolves rather than actually comprehend the law and work WITH the residents of those states.

I don't understand where it says this on the website about the upper. It is just pieces of metal and I am sure a manufacturer would know this.

 

[alibi]

WOA and Compass lake are at Camp Perry right now, it's nice to put your hands on and talk to the guys that build em. Rumor has it that the Rock Rivers used in the eic match will be sold through the CMP, when I don't know.

 

[BC83]

Build it yourself....this is what I did.

I called up krieger they have ample stock off .223 barrels in right now, and the turnaround is only 6-8 weeks..
Send them the bolt you plan to use so they can head space it...I chose JP enhanced bolt along with there LMOS carrier. I also went with the 24" varmet contour but I know the have the DCM in stock too. For the upper I went with JP CTR-02 its as soild as they come, and the rest was just my personal preference.

JP .936 lopro adjustable gas block/ rifle length tube
Fortis CH
Seekins SPR3 12" rail.

 

[-Nick-]

One major problem:



Which means they are one of the suppliers that cannot read a law and comply with it. Uppers are perfectly legal to buy in MD. And I can also buy uppers out of state, as they are NOT firearms.

Sorry, will not do business with a company that throws people from socialistic states to the wolves rather than actually comprehend the law and work WITH the residents of those states.

I hate to bust your anger bubble over your State's Legislature which fucked you, not JP... you're making assumptions based off a glance. They don't send full rifles or lowers to MD which is not their fault but the fault of your State government, and that's not throwing you to the wolves but following the law which keeps them from getting shut down and losing their business. They'll send you just an upper... or you can continue to direct your anger at people who had nothing to do with that little gem created by MD

 

[lte82]

Personally, I would have someone build an a4 upper with pinned rear sight carry handle, and a krieger 1:7.7 twist with a Wylde chamber. White Oak (I have a fresh white oak a2 upper that is flawless), Accurate and Reliable (he built my 223 space gun upper that absolutely hammers), and Keystone Accuracy (he is building my 22lr training upper) are three great builders. I couldn't pick between them honestly, but A&R and Keystone will have shorter lead times.

Hope that helps.

 

[Pinecone]

I don't understand where it says this on the website about the upper. It is just pieces of metal and I am sure a manufacturer would know this.

It was at the bottom of the page with the comp upper. Yes, one would think that they would read the law and understand it, but they, amoung others DO NOT.

PSA is one. CDNN is another.

 

[Pinecone]

I hate to bust your anger bubble over your State's Legislature which fucked you, not JP... you're making assumptions based off a glance. They don't send full rifles or lowers to MD which is not their fault but the fault of your State government, and that's not throwing you to the wolves but following the law which keeps them from getting shut down and losing their business. They'll send you just an upper... or you can continue to direct your anger at people who had nothing to do with that little gem created by MD

The quote was from underneath the UPPER only.

And the state still allows HBAR rifles to be sold. I just bought one from a local dealer (see the OP). And as of this past week, the state will allow stripped lowers to be sold (just bought 2 from a local dealer).

And in no way does the law prevent ANY firearm from being shipped to an FFL. It is up to the MD FFL to determine if they are complying with the law by selling it. The FFL could also resell it to someone out of state (via another FFL).

Atlantic Firearms is in MD and sells a number of firearms that are not legal currently in MD. But they only ship them out of state.

 

[Pinecone]

Build it yourself....this is what I did.

I called up krieger they have ample stock off .223 barrels in right now, and the turnaround is only 6-8 weeks..
Send them the bolt you plan to use so they can head space it...I chose JP enhanced bolt along with there LMOS carrier. I also went with the 24" varmet contour but I know the have the DCM in stock too. For the upper I went with JP CTR-02 its as soild as they come, and the rest was just my personal preference.

JP .936 lopro adjustable gas block/ rifle length tube
Fortis CH
Seekins SPR3 12" rail.

What did the entire upper end up costing?

When I did the calcs, it would cost me almost as much to build as to buy from White Oak.

 

[-Nick-]

The quote was from underneath the UPPER only.

And the state still allows HBAR rifles to be sold. I just bought one from a local dealer (see the OP). And as of this past week, the state will allow stripped lowers to be sold (just bought 2 from a local dealer).

And in no way does the law prevent ANY firearm from being shipped to an FFL. It is up to the MD FFL to determine if they are complying with the law by selling it. The FFL could also resell it to someone out of state (via another FFL).

Atlantic Firearms is in MD and sells a number of firearms that are not legal currently in MD. But they only ship them out of state.

Yes an FFL can receive banned items to transfer to someone IF they're allowed by law to have it. Are you allowed by law to have it? The website is marketing to the general public which the general public in your State is not allowed to have them, but I'll bet if you were LE or MIL then JP would be willing to ship. Most websites for manufacturers have blanket statements regarding shipping because there are a lot of idiots out there who know they can't have something but they'll try to order the upper and have them throw in a lower anyways. Fact is rather than picking up a phone and calling real quick you quickly scanned the website and went off the deep end because you want to be mad about it when it's still not their fault. And let me guess... the HBAR was a preban was it not? And what does commercial manufacturing for sales out-of-state have to do with laws regarding private ownership in your State? It's like comparing apples to tuna. You're trying to rationalize your stance against private businesses avoiding anything criminal because of your State's government in order to have someone to blame... Still not JP's fault.

Add: Did you even bother to call JP and ask if they'd ship just an upper?

 

[BC83]

What did the entire upper end up costing?

When I did the calcs, it would cost me almost as much to build as to buy from White Oak.

It was around 1500

 

[lte82]

BUILD YOUR AR 15 UPPER receiver rebarrel rebarrel rebarrel

$1150 for a turn key A4 w/ krieger barrel, pinned carry handle, modified for full A2 elevation adjustment. $850 with a standard wilson match grade barrel (same as WOA).

 

[BC83]

There are some cheaper options, but i wanted the best the ctr-02 upper alone was over $300

This is my creation...

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krieger Barrel chambered in .223 REM headspaced with the JP enhanced bolt. $480 (krieger)

JP CTR-02 upper $315 (JP)

JP gas block/tube $85 (JP)

Seekins SPR3 12" Rail $195 (Stonefirearms)

Fortis CG $40 (Stonefirearms)

JP Lomas BCG $296 (JP)


I might hit the Range tomorrow if I do ill post some target pics..thinking of doing the elf Test.

 

[lte82]

^^ That's a sweet setup, but it's not what the OP is asking for. He is looking for a nra service rifle or match rifle upper, like below.

The top is one of my service rifles, the bottom is one of my "space gun" match rifles. Neither of these uppers cost over $1000, and there is nothing better. Different sure, but not better. The national champions and record holders all use setups similar if not almost identical to these.

 

[Pinecone]

Yes an FFL can receive banned items to transfer to someone IF they're allowed by law to have it. Are you allowed by law to have it? The website is marketing to the general public which the general public in your State is not allowed to have them, but I'll bet if you were LE or MIL then JP would be willing to ship. Most websites for manufacturers have blanket statements regarding shipping because there are a lot of idiots out there who know they can't have something but they'll try to order the upper and have them throw in a lower anyways. Fact is rather than picking up a phone and calling real quick you quickly scanned the website and went off the deep end because you want to be mad about it when it's still not their fault. And let me guess... the HBAR was a preban was it not? And what does commercial manufacturing for sales out-of-state have to do with laws regarding private ownership in your State? It's like comparing apples to tuna. You're trying to rationalize your stance against private businesses avoiding anything criminal because of your State's government in order to have someone to blame... Still not JP's fault.

Add: Did you even bother to call JP and ask if they'd ship just an upper?

FFL in MD can receive anything. Banned or not.

The HBAR I just bought is not pre-ban. The ban is on TRANSFERRING, so as of Oct 1, 2013, there are no more pre-ban ARs, all, except HBARs are banned.

Why does JP put that no shipping tag on uppers? They could just put them on lowers. And no one can order a lower without it going through an FFL anyway. Doesn't matter if it is ordered with or without an upper.

Just a poor way of doing business.

Why should I have to call them to figure out if they mean what they say on their website? They should get it right.

White Oak does.

 

[Pinecone]

It was around 1500

White Oak is about $900 for an A4 upper with carry handle with a pinned NM rear sight. Less for an A2.

 

[Warpspeed]

I do not think you an go wrong with either the WOA or CLE uppers.

Both have a great reputation and have been doing this for a long time.

 

[-Nick-]

FFL in MD can receive anything. Banned or not.

The HBAR I just bought is not pre-ban. The ban is on TRANSFERRING, so as of Oct 1, 2013, there are no more pre-ban ARs, all, except HBARs are banned.

Why does JP put that no shipping tag on uppers? They could just put them on lowers. And no one can order a lower without it going through an FFL anyway. Doesn't matter if it is ordered with or without an upper.

Just a poor way of doing business.

Why should I have to call them to figure out if they mean what they say on their website? They should get it right.

White Oak does.

I never said an FFL couldn't receive it. You're reading only what you want in things to make an excuse for blaming a company over your State laws. But go ahead and live in your ignorant bliss that somehow JP has thrown in with the wolves because you want someone to blame and you're too lazy to pick-up a phone and get clarification because everything you read online must be the truth and absolute and you like to limit yourself.

 

[BC83]

Here is the target i promised, it's alot harder to do then i thought and i also think my groups would have been tighter if i had took a break between each group. my barrel was way to hot. Next week ill take my time with some hand loads then we will see if i have a chance in the contest.

shot with Hornady 75gr Match ammo



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[Pinecone]

I never said an FFL couldn't receive it. You're reading only what you want in things to make an excuse for blaming a company over your State laws. But go ahead and live in your ignorant bliss that somehow JP has thrown in with the wolves because you want someone to blame and you're too lazy to pick-up a phone and get clarification because everything you read online must be the truth and absolute and you like to limit yourself.

So JP is good because they won't take the time to learn the law and WORK with MD residents? They would rather take the easy road and just not sell to the state.

Nope, they can take their products and shove them. I will deal with companies that take the 30 - 40 minutes to figure things out and work to abide by the laws.

And they don't say, must ship to FFL, they say WILL NOT SHIP TO XX STATE. You were the one that brought up someone ordering upper then asking them to throw in a lower. Not legal since 1968.

And an upper does NOT need to be shipped to an FFL. I can put any upper (subject to NFA provisions) on my pre-10/13 ARs. Any barrel profile. It is up to ME to put the proper upper on the proper lower.

You are more than welcome to do business to them. And enjoy if your legislature passes some stupid law and you get thrown to the wolves. They will keep doing this, until there are no more customers.

As I said, White Oak is more than happy to learn the laws and sell to MD residents. So they get my money.

 

[Masked]

I hate to bust your anger bubble over your State's Legislature which fucked you, not JP... you're making assumptions based off a glance. They don't send full rifles or lowers to MD which is not their fault but the fault of your State government, and that's not throwing you to the wolves but following the law which keeps them from getting shut down and losing their business. They'll send you just an upper... or you can continue to direct your anger at people who had nothing to do with that little gem created by MD

Actually, I live in CT and I deal with this quite frequently.

Did our laws change? Yes, Malloy is a fuck-wit as is everyone that voted yes...However, I'm legally allowed to purchase ammunition, uppers, AR parts -- As long as I have a Permit -- Which I have.

I've been told by several MAJOR RETAILERS - Midway and Brownells that I'm not allowed to actually purchase the above.

Midway told me to go fuck myself. Brownells, after I disputed it and copy/pasted the law, did their own investigation and now it's allowed. -- Many months after that, Midway changed their story.

JP still refuses to ship to me...As does KAC...And we're talking 100% legal uppers.

That's their ignorance, not ours. I realize the laws did change but, the least they could do is educate themselves. -- And NO, they will not send you an upper, I tried.

When do we blame the ignorant for being ignorant? Sure, our politicians are ignorant but, that doesn't mean we allow ignorance to beget ignorance within our own industry. -- Just sayin.

 

[-Nick-]

So JP is good because they won't take the time to learn the law and WORK with MD residents? They would rather take the easy road and just not sell to the state.

Nope, they can take their products and shove them. I will deal with companies that take the 30 - 40 minutes to figure things out and work to abide by the laws.

And they don't say, must ship to FFL, they say WILL NOT SHIP TO XX STATE. You were the one that brought up someone ordering upper then asking them to throw in a lower. Not legal since 1968.

And an upper does NOT need to be shipped to an FFL. I can put any upper (subject to NFA provisions) on my pre-10/13 ARs. Any barrel profile. It is up to ME to put the proper upper on the proper lower.

You are more than welcome to do business to them. And enjoy if your legislature passes some stupid law and you get thrown to the wolves. They will keep doing this, until there are no more customers.

As I said, White Oak is more than happy to learn the laws and sell to MD residents. So they get my money.

Again you like to point out a lot of things that I never said to support your argument. I never said an upper had to be shipped to an FFL but instead you want to keep implying it. I said the reason they might have published that on the website is because there are idiots out there that think they're sly and will try to order them as separate parts on the same order hoping no one will catch on. I like how you hold a business to a standard that they need to spend time educating themselves on every State's constantly changing laws in order to serve anyone possible but you feel zero obligation to work with businesses to change. I'll bet you did the same when legislation was proposed and rather than picking up a phone or so much as sending out an email to State Legislatures you instead complained online that the wolves were out to get you and it's everyone else's fault.

 

[-Nick-]

Actually, I live in CT and I deal with this quite frequently.

Did our laws change? Yes, Malloy is a fuck-wit as is everyone that voted yes...However, I'm legally allowed to purchase ammunition, uppers, AR parts -- As long as I have a Permit -- Which I have.

I've been told by several MAJOR RETAILERS - Midway and Brownells that I'm not allowed to actually purchase the above.

Midway told me to go fuck myself. Brownells, after I disputed it and copy/pasted the law, did their own investigation and now it's allowed. -- Many months after that, Midway changed their story.

JP still refuses to ship to me...As does KAC...And we're talking 100% legal uppers.

That's their ignorance, not ours. I realize the laws did change but, the least they could do is educate themselves. -- And NO, they will not send you an upper, I tried.

When do we blame the ignorant for being ignorant? Sure, our politicians are ignorant but, that doesn't mean we allow ignorance to beget ignorance within our own industry. -- Just sayin.

Yes... Someone who gets that it takes more than a temper tantrum in some online forum. You realized a business didn't understand the law and you made the effort to educate them and get it changed. You picked up a phone rather than assuming a company had thrown you to the wolves. I agree with you 100% and since you called JP and were still turned down I'll go a step further a pick-up a phone myself and call them...

 

[Brasscow]

Do yourself a favor and don't get an A4 upper and don't waste your time with load development. A4 is pretty much impossible to reach through the carry handle to drop the BCG. For load just throw 24 of varget or RL15 into a LC case and seat a 77 at mag length or 80 .010 off and have a ball. If it's good enough for Konrad, it's good enough for you.

Also, anything from Lee Wells, White Oak, CLE, Gene Clark, or Criterion will shoot well enough to clean 600, so I wouldn't sweat that. Pick what's available and have a ball.

 

[-Nick-]

Masked they might not be willing to send you a lower but as for everything else it's either changed per your persistence or somehow something was misinterpreted.

Oh Pinecone...

I just got off the phone with Mel(General Manager) from JP Enterprises. The reason the site says it won't ship to CT or MD is because of the carry over in the rifle builder program online and the site thinks you're still trying to get a lower even though you're not. It's an error on the website which he is now contacting his guys to get fixed. JP Enterprises WILL sell any upper or upper receiver part to CT and MD per their General Manager. I also want to point out that I left a message with the GM and he called me back in less than 10 minutes. Of course I'm sure you will respond with some other bullshit lazy ass excuse for why you shouldn't have to help others in order to help yourself because this is 1/2 the problem theses days... Could have picked up the phone and spent less than 5 minutes for the truth, but you went with the assumption that would fuel your need to blame.

 

[Masked]

Masked they might not be willing to send you a lower but as for everything else it's either changed per your persistence or somehow something was misinterpreted.

Oh Pinecone...

I just got off the phone with Mel(General Manager) from JP Enterprises. The reason the site says it won't ship to CT or MD is because of the carry over in the rifle builder program online and the site thinks you're still trying to get a lower even though you're not. It's an error on the website which he is now contacting his guys to get fixed. JP Enterprises WILL sell any upper or upper receiver part to CT and MD per their General Manager. I also want to point out that I left a message with the GM and he called me back in less than 10 minutes. Of course I'm sure you will respond with some other bullshit lazy ass excuse for why you shouldn't have to help others in order to help yourself because this is 1/2 the problem theses days... Could have picked up the phone and spent less than 5 minutes for the truth, but you went with the assumption that would fuel your need to blame.

Not at all. The follow up is much appreciated!!! (I realize you aimed this at him but, thought I'd offer my thanks as I met serious hurdles with JP)

I've tried ordering from them in the past, left my # and never got the call back, actually -- # is still programmed in my phone -- 651-426-9196

In no way shape/form/function am I attempting to be a victim -- I wanted one of their uppers very badly...Spoke to a very nice individual on the phone and was shut down -- Emailed them exactly what the law was (Since I now keep a copy in my email) never heard back...Ultimately, I went with Bravocompany...Received it within 5 days. Also bought my JP silent spring from another vendor, as well.

My hurdle thus far has been educating these retailers -- particularly in ammo -- I'm looking at you BulkAmmo.com!

The more we educate, the more we win the fight over ignorance -- Your contribution is very welcome!

 

[jasonfaz]

Masked they might not be willing to send you a lower but as for everything else it's either changed per your persistence or somehow something was misinterpreted.

Oh Pinecone...

I just got off the phone with Mel(General Manager) from JP Enterprises. The reason the site says it won't ship to CT or MD is because of the carry over in the rifle builder program online and the site thinks you're still trying to get a lower even though you're not. It's an error on the website which he is now contacting his guys to get fixed. JP Enterprises WILL sell any upper or upper receiver part to CT and MD per their General Manager. I also want to point out that I left a message with the GM and he called me back in less than 10 minutes. Of course I'm sure you will respond with some other bullshit lazy ass excuse for why you shouldn't have to help others in order to help yourself because this is 1/2 the problem theses days... Could have picked up the phone and spent less than 5 minutes for the truth, but you went with the assumption that would fuel your need to blame.

I second Nick's sentiments. JP is top notch as are the folks representing JP, like Mel Koenig, who will pull out the stops to help his customers. There are often issues with websites that are technically challenging and result in misleading info, but JP mentions nothing about restrictions of above said products in their policy section nor do they have any disclaimer on the in stock uppers with respect to shipping or not shipping to any state. A phone call is a pretty logical step towards insuring you have an accurate understanding of what you're talking about and it might help you avoid looking like your bashing good people as a result of being lazy as fk...

 

[Pinecone]

Masked they might not be willing to send you a lower but as for everything else it's either changed per your persistence or somehow something was misinterpreted.

Oh Pinecone...

I just got off the phone with Mel(General Manager) from JP Enterprises. The reason the site says it won't ship to CT or MD is because of the carry over in the rifle builder program online and the site thinks you're still trying to get a lower even though you're not. It's an error on the website which he is now contacting his guys to get fixed. JP Enterprises WILL sell any upper or upper receiver part to CT and MD per their General Manager. I also want to point out that I left a message with the GM and he called me back in less than 10 minutes. Of course I'm sure you will respond with some other bullshit lazy ass excuse for why you shouldn't have to help others in order to help yourself because this is 1/2 the problem theses days... Could have picked up the phone and spent less than 5 minutes for the truth, but you went with the assumption that would fuel your need to blame.

Great, but maybe they should FIX THEIR SITE.

Oh, and BTW complete rifles are legal in MD, as long as they have a heavy barrel. And they would have to go through an FFL anyway. And there is NO restriction on what can be sent to an FFL. So if the FFL would not transfer it to me, that is MY problem.

Too late, I ordered the White Oak. Their site is not misleading.

 

[Pinecone]

I second Nick's sentiments. JP is top notch as are the folks representing JP, like Mel Koenig, who will pull out the stops to help his customers. There are often issues with websites that are technically challenging and result in misleading info, but JP mentions nothing about restrictions of above said products in their policy section nor do they have any disclaimer on the in stock uppers with respect to shipping or not shipping to any state. A phone call is a pretty logical step towards insuring you have an accurate understanding of what you're talking about and it might help you avoid looking like your bashing good people as a result of being lazy as fk...

No, I reward people who can get things right.

 

[DocJimJam]

I built a franken gun with mostly JP parts. Found JP et. al., very easy to deal with and extremely helpful. The rifle shoots great, and the fit and finish of their parts looks as much like art work as it does a firearm. IMO, JP e, is first class. Nice thing about them, you can always call and deal with the same person.

 

[-Nick-]

Great, but maybe they should FIX THEIR SITE.

Oh, and BTW complete rifles are legal in MD, as long as they have a heavy barrel. And they would have to go through an FFL anyway. And there is NO restriction on what can be sent to an FFL. So if the FFL would not transfer it to me, that is MY problem.

Too late, I ordered the White Oak. Their site is not misleading.

Even if it was fixed apparently your ability to read is so piss poor it's irrelevant. I just said they're trying to fix it now. Who ever said a rifle didn't have to go through an FFL? Oh that's right... no one did. And as for an FFL not being able to transfer it is the problem of whoever sends it because if it doesn't transfer then they have to take it back and they're now out the shipping costs both ways and the buyer always tries to contest the credit card charge because they never want to pay for their own stupidity. Fact is you're one of those customers that JP and everyone else is better off without because you'll never find fault in your own actions and always blame everyone else. And go look up the definition of "misleading" since no one mislead you but you read a statement about shipping then mislead yourself down some jackwagon and asinine ideology that they've thrown in with the wolves. The same company that sent out lowers immediately when there was a panic to customer with full builds just in case and then Larue and everyone else followed suit.

 

[-Nick-]

No, I reward people who can get things right.

No you simply do whatever will meet your instant gratification lethargic illogical needs...

 

[lte82]

Sorry to jump back on topic, but Pinecone make sure you have the national match "service rifle" springs if you plan on shooting eic matches or any major service rifle matches that will weigh your trigger. The "match rifle" springs are too light.

Also which upper did you end up with? Did you get the standard white oak barrel?

 

[Jäger Wilhelm]

^^ That's a sweet setup, but it's not what the OP is asking for. He is looking for a nra service rifle or match rifle upper, like below.

The top is one of my service rifles, the bottom is one of my "space gun" match rifles. Neither of these uppers cost over $1000, and there is nothing better. Different sure, but not better. The national champions and record holders all use setups similar if not almost identical to these.

Which upper does your service rifle have in this photo? White Oak or A+RR? Krieger barrel?

 

[lte82]

Which upper does your service rifle have in this photo? White Oak or A+RR? Krieger barrel?

Service rifle is a White Oak A2 with a pinned rear sight, Krieger barrel. The match rifle is an A&RR 223 wylde 26" with a krieger. My other service rifle is an Armalite with White Oak parts, and my other match rifle is a 6 AR turbo 40 built by Robert Whitley.

 

[Alaska]

The short 10.3" barrel AR has bad muzzle blast designed for suppressor.

16" M4 style is the shortest I recommend.

I run a MK 12 Mod 0 with a Douglas 18" and long rifle length gas tube really nice set up!

 

[catatonic]

The short 10.3" barrel AR has bad muzzle blast designed for suppressor.

16" M4 style is the shortest I recommend.

I run a MK 12 Mod 0 with a Douglas 18" and long rifle length gas tube really nice set up!

How does that in any way contribute to a discussion regarding a NRA/CMP Service Rifle?

 

[Strykervet]

I'd build the rifle myself were I you (I get the best results building the higher end stuff myself and I usually come out cheaper that way too). The barrel accounts for nearly 99% of the accuracy of the system you are using, provided everything else locks up tight and is in spec. That said, I'd get the nicest cut rifle barrel you can. Satern is my top choice, but the wait may be too long unless they have something in stock. You could also put one on order and get something now (it's not uncommon to wait a year or more for a Satern barrel, but they are worth it).

Isn't Lijla cut rifle? Even if not, I've heard nothing but good from them, and I'd pick a quality barrel maker and just build around that. Good luck!

 

[Jäger Wilhelm]

Service rifle is a White Oak A2 with a pinned rear sight, Krieger barrel. The match rifle is an A&RR 223 wylde 26" with a krieger. My other service rifle is an Armalite with White Oak parts, and my other match rifle is a 6 AR turbo 40 built by Robert Whitley.

Thanks. What twist? 7 or 7.7? I have 8s on my LaRue Stealth and my Armalite M15(T). But I have been wanting to ad a service rifle rifle upper to round out my Super Match M1A and NM Type 2 1960 Garand for my more nostalgic range moments. LOL

 

[lte82]

Thanks. What twist? 7 or 7.7? I have 8s on my LaRue Stealth and my Armalite M15(T). But I have been wanting to ad a service rifle rifle upper to round out my Super Match M1A and NM Type 2 1960 Garand for my more nostalgic range moments. LOL

7.7. The only reason I'd go 7 is to shoot sierra 90s, which I dont. 7.7 is a great twist.

 

[BC83]

Im not sure if the OP has made up his mind yet but out of the choices you have listed i would go with this...

White Oak Armaments - Complete upper, 1:7 barrel, comes with complete BCG and charging handle - A2 NM $795 with pinned rear sight, A4 $685 plus $230 for carry handle with pinned rear sight.

But is you want to put some DIY Pride into it, this is how i would roll..

(1)
Mega Arms Forged Upper w/ M4 Feed Ramps

(2)
Krieger Barrel AR-15 223 Remington DCM Contour 1 7.7 Twist 20 SS

(3)
JP Enterprises VTAC Modular Free Float Tube Handguard AR-15 Aluminum

(4)
JP Rifles

(5)
Les Baer Custom Bolt Carrier Assembly Commercial AR-15 223 Remington

(6)
White Oak Armament