Just looking for opinions before pulling out the debit card. After figuring out my ring height and deciding on rings over a 1 piece, I keep going back and forth between ARC and 419 rings. I've read pros and cons for each brand but for the most part they both have positive reviews and people seem to like them. I dont compete or really beat on my gear so these may be overkill for a .22 but I do like nice stuff. I like the simplicity of the one screw mount design of ARC and I also really like the mounting option on the 419 (bubble level) and I like the indexing pin built into them. Not a fan of the raw aluminum as I question oxidizing over time, but I also assume those guys know how to design their gear and would not have overlooked this if it truly were an issue.
ARC or 419 rings-Kidd 10/22
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I recently bought my second set of ARC rings and I don't think I will use another set of rings on a rifle from here on out. The setup is just so easy and fast! The scope doesn't rack back and forth as you tighten the screws like with traditional rings.
I’d recommend the 419 rings. I personally use the 419 one-piece mount on my competition rifle. I also had same question about the raw aluminum finish at first, but knowing that 419 stands behind their products. I'm sure they’ll make it right if anything ever comes up with the rings.
Plus, even if you don’t need accessories like a bubble level or red dot mount right now, it’s great to have the option to add them later. That’s much better than trying to replace the ring or attach separate mounting adapters down the road.
- Wayne
Plus, even if you don’t need accessories like a bubble level or red dot mount right now, it’s great to have the option to add them later. That’s much better than trying to replace the ring or attach separate mounting adapters down the road.
- Wayne
Can't go wrong either way. I've become an ARC convert myself, it's just simple, esp. to level the scope. I wish they'd make a canti mount though. Lots of great ring options, seekins, NF etc.
I suspect that the raw aluminum and it oxidizing is part of the reason the 419 holds so amazingly well, The coefficient of friction has to be way higher with raw aluminum compared to other rings that are polished, anodized, coated, painted, etc. That said it's not like 22's are really a problem for scopes moving in any quality mount/rings correctly installed.
That said I run the Signature XTR rings a couple 22s as well, you get to dial in what MOA offset you want.
I'm not a huge fan of built in levels, I love the idea, but in my experience 9 out of 10 of them do not read perfectly level when the mount is. I've seen it with ARC, spuhr, zeiss, chassis with built in levels, 419 rail for the CZ with the level. I'd imagine it's just too time consuming and too much variation in the levels and installation process to get them to read perfectly. I don't like scope mounted levels, as they tend to shift they get a good wack, but at least you can adjust them. It's the same for the levels that clamp to a pic rail, almost every one, including the US Optics I first noticed it on, you can literally watch the bubble drift as you put more tighten the clamp screw.
I suspect that the raw aluminum and it oxidizing is part of the reason the 419 holds so amazingly well, The coefficient of friction has to be way higher with raw aluminum compared to other rings that are polished, anodized, coated, painted, etc. That said it's not like 22's are really a problem for scopes moving in any quality mount/rings correctly installed.
That said I run the Signature XTR rings a couple 22s as well, you get to dial in what MOA offset you want.
I'm not a huge fan of built in levels, I love the idea, but in my experience 9 out of 10 of them do not read perfectly level when the mount is. I've seen it with ARC, spuhr, zeiss, chassis with built in levels, 419 rail for the CZ with the level. I'd imagine it's just too time consuming and too much variation in the levels and installation process to get them to read perfectly. I don't like scope mounted levels, as they tend to shift they get a good wack, but at least you can adjust them. It's the same for the levels that clamp to a pic rail, almost every one, including the US Optics I first noticed it on, you can literally watch the bubble drift as you put more tighten the clamp screw.
The 419 mounts are quite good.It appears that 94 height is ideal for all barrels, bolt throws, and 50mm objectives.
Ultimately, though, they are merely a scope ring. Any quality will suffice. However, I enjoy them. It's also great because when you tighten them down, they don't turn the scope.
Ultimately, though, they are merely a scope ring. Any quality will suffice. However, I enjoy them. It's also great because when you tighten them down, they don't turn the scope.
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