The people shitting on these dies are clearly poors raging because they can't afford them. Decanting is useless. I do like the click adjust shoulder bump. Setting up a sizing die to a perfect 2 thou bump is a pain in the balls and that feature is awesome.
Area 419 Micrometer Adjustable Sizing Dies
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If you can't set up a standard die to a perfect 2 though bump, you won't be able to do it with this die either.
Anyone who thinks a Mark7 is the best... Is missing something. I owned an auto drive Mark7 and it was by far the biggest POS I ever owned. Not to mention terrible CS.
Everything else I agree with you on....
It's not that we can't afford to do so. It's that we don't see the advantage of this over a common die. The squeeze isn't worth the juice.
The Whidden sizer and ring set up can click every .001 with east and you can lock it in too. Even with a normal die, setting it up to bump the shoulders back isn't hard if you have a caliper or a depth mic. I do it once and really never have to adjust my dies again once the rings are locked in. Maybe if you have multiple rifles with the same caliber with different chamber lengths I can see it being a PITA to do.
Multiple rifles you just buy many different dies. For $500, you could have around 10 FLS dies all locked in for 10 different rifles
I don’t know much about the mk7 other than it’s an at home fully automated system?
I know camdex is the top of the line however for that? You better be cranking out millions of rounds
My analogy:
If you drive a Bentley SUV, then by all means go for it. In the meantime, my Lincoln Black Label SUV, which has ALL of the same features of the Bentley. will still get me there at the same time in the same comfort and luxury, but at less than half the cost
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Here's a couple of pics I took of my Lincoln. When was the last time you saw a dash covered with Italian leather?:
If you drive a Bentley SUV, then by all means go for it. In the meantime, my Lincoln Black Label SUV, which has ALL of the same features of the Bentley. will still get me there at the same time in the same comfort and luxury, but at less than half the cost
.Here's a couple of pics I took of my Lincoln. When was the last time you saw a dash covered with Italian leather
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It reminds me of a die that was made years ago but is made to your fired casings.
www.warner-tool.com
WTC Custom Sizing Die - Custom Made to Fit Your Rifle's Chamber
Each Warner Tool Sizing Die is made custom to match your rifle's exact chamber , CNC manufactured to perfectly fit your 1X fired brass.
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Actually, I gave him a Redding press for nothing…. And I bought the zero. But you still didn’t answer his question….
Certainly expensive that’s for sure… However, the question is how much time and energy goes into manufacturing that sucker. My assumption is that it probably cost them at least $250 to make the thing give it all the precision that’s involved in it at that rate looking at what others charge for their precision dies. I’m not so sure the price is completely obnoxious.
I think the bigger issue is that you really do have to have a separate turret for your zero, or for whatever other press you’re using you’re gonna have to completely disassemble it to install the die.
Oh yeah? Well my ‘83 Datsun gives me low SDs and 1/4MOA groups all day if I do my part.My analogy:
If you drive a Bentley SUV, then by all means go for it. In the meantime, my Lincoln Black Label SUV, which has ALL of the same features of the Bentley. will still get me there at the same time in the same comfort and luxury, but at less than half the cost
So comparing this is some of the Reading dies it’s not that expensive….
Don’t get me wrong, I really wish they were all the 1990s prices but they’re not. Whidden gun works dies are not cheap. Neither are any of the other ones I see out there that are specialty made.
Don’t get me wrong, I really wish they were all the 1990s prices but they’re not. Whidden gun works dies are not cheap. Neither are any of the other ones I see out there that are specialty made.
Dies are expensive these days but in this case it's and incompatible size die (1 1/4-inch). So incompatible that the older Zero presses, which are not cheap, have to be upgraded with a new turret. Oh, and that price does not included a required new shell holder.
I didn't say I couldn't set up a standard die to bump 2 thou, I said it can be a pain in the ass. Anybody claiming other wise is lier.
LOL, the expensive columns in that table are sets of 2 or 3 of the most expensive dies Redding makes. That's why it says "set".
The single most expensive sizing die there are the cat III competition bushing neck dies, which cap out at $280 MSRP. Actual street price is under $200 for them... not that many people want neck sizing dies these days, which is why they don't make them for many calibers. The regular full length bushing dies are like $115 or less at retail.
I have something similar that I had built. But instead of collet, you just hold case neck up to datum line. It’s for one particular cartridge and can’t be changed though. Unless you cut/grind off the support bars.
419 has offered 1 1/4 turrets since the introduction of the Zero press.
Never said they didn't But the majority of people don't have those on. 419 is coming out with a new turret that has both sizes. but will give preference (move to the front of the line) to buyers of the new die first.
The hybrid turret has also been available since the Zero was introduced.
Thank you, I stand corrected. I did not seen it in the options for turrets, but that was a long time ago when the press was introduced. It is there know for sure.
That said, I still hold firm on saying that most Zero owners probably bought the 7/8 turret. If so, those users would have to add another $225 for the new die - unless, and 419 has kind off said as much, they will be offering a pre-order special for the whole package, includes the die, holder and hybrid turret.
If that is true then that's great considering retail would be 500+225+45. If I owned a Zero I would jump on that ASAP.
I was very excited before the Galvin's video, but now I see that:
- it is NOT contacting shellholder for the best consistency like WTC die or competition shellholders from Redding;
- mandrell is NOT adjustable if we want to have other than 0.002' neck tension;
- how does it compromise for different thickness of the neck ?
Offtopic but thought to mention, He's already back to shilling another die company at 3min in his latest "338 Lapua Build Start to Finish" video - "you want the absolute best, you're going to want Triebel and you're going to want to get those from Creedmoor Sports"
Used to like his show back when it was informative breakdowns of gear and real tests. Now it is clearly a pay to play scheme and of zero interest to me.
Correct, we are not making and do not plan to do bushings. We think a single-piece sizing body is a better option. And if someone gets upset about that position, it's really ok. There are other options that provide this.
The M Series die does utilize shellholder to bottom of die contact. That's why they ship with a specialty larger diameter shellholder. And you can purchase different diameter mandrels to set the preferred neck tension.
Oh, never saw this to respond. @JSW2000 noted that it IS hard contact with the die/shellholder. Also, the mandrels are interchangeable to different diameters so you can set different neck tensions.
So, it’s doing reliable consistent.002 bump with mandrel that comes with it right? Works just like M series pretty much right now?
I was not looking at these, and got an email so I said F it. I wanna compare to my SAC setup (I dont use SACs mandrell inside the modular FL die (I do it as a separate step dedicated).
225$ is still expensive but im gonna find out what it can do. Especially keeping bump reliably on new and fireformed…
It works exactly like the M-Series it just lacks micrometer adjustable headspace. But did you mean neck tension with the mandrel it comes with? But yes when using the Area 419 Modular shellholder and the S-Series die it has extremely consistent sizing.
Thats what I was asking above. I have not gotten around to using it yet but if you have thier zero press and the modular shell holder system then yes is my understanding. There is videos on thier site.
It probably wont be better than the SAC modular die system.
call them and ask about it. I have to much going on to test it at this time.
They dont have any of the 6mm stuff left in stock.
Thanks bud.
I kind of answered my own question. Either the 419 shell holder system or the RCBS with adapter should work. I've already got the RCBS so we will see how that pans out when my S series die gets here.
To clarify, the S-Series dies adjust the same as any other common die on the market. Screw it in a little more or less, and you can adjust.
Of course we think a solution like our Modular Shellholder kit with headspace adjustment in the inserts is ideal, or something like the Redding competition shellholders, but they adjust the same way most dies have for decades.
Of course we think a solution like our Modular Shellholder kit with headspace adjustment in the inserts is ideal, or something like the Redding competition shellholders, but they adjust the same way most dies have for decades.
Ran into another issue with my second die or perhaps just the sleeve. Got a 6 BR sleeve for my 6.5 CM die and it will not bump the shoulder even though am completely bottomed out. Reached out to 419 and they’re requesting to send sleeve back with fired brass. Mentioned there might be an issue with my comparator insert (SAC) so I guess we’ll find out.
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