Army Sniper School

[Ates2018]

I felt that it was quite an experience to go and I feel very privileged. I shot some video of a stress shoot when my friends went through and also added some music.
The weapons you'll see are the M24, M110, M107 and even the G22 because we had some German soldiers attending the course.
I forget the specifics but the class was divided into four groups, each with at least two fifties.

http://www.vimeo.com/15025574

 

[paraiso]

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What MOA accuracy were you guys getting out of the Barrets?

 

[Ates2018]

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Not really sure since they only shot at tanks and giant pop-ups. Didn't have any problems though except when on one of them the bolt-carrier blew completely apart from the bolt but that was operator error.

 

[paraiso]

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Ok thanks. I am always curious to see what is being trained down there.

 

[ewoaf]

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[CrazyDonkey]

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cool vid, thanks for sharing.

 

[Graham]

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Hmmmm.... interesting.... Muscling a semi-auto .50, and indoors, with no muffs. The purpose of the lesson was what, that everyone hates to carry those damn things?

 

[Pat M]

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Very cool vid, very intense

 

[Etype]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paraiso</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What MOA accuracy were you guys getting out of the Barrets? </div></div>
We get something like 4 MOA with Mk 262 ammo. Nothing killer- but you can reach things the .300 can't and have better effects on vehicles/buildings etc.

An HE/API round on a car @ 1,500m is better than a ice pick.

 

[paraiso]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Etype</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paraiso</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What MOA accuracy were you guys getting out of the Barrets? </div></div>
We get something like 4 MOA with Mk 262 ammo. Nothing killer- but you can reach things the .300 can't and have better effects on vehicles/buildings etc.

An HE/API round on a car @ 1,500m is better than a ice pick.</div></div>

Thank you for the info.

 

[Chiller]

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have to enjoy that......

 

[Strickland]

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Hmmm.... I think I see an event coming on at Rifles Only now....

 

[Chiller]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Strickland</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hmmm.... I think I see an event coming on at Rifles Only now.... </div></div>

So is LL carrying Mike?

 

[Lindy]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We get something like 4 MOA with Mk 262 ammo.</div></div>

I'd expect rather poor accuracy out of a Barrett with Mk 262 ammo, since the Barrett is a .50 cal, and Mk 262 ammunition is 5.56. Of course, the firing pin of the Barrett will probably just punt the entire Mk 262 cartridge out the barrel...

Perhaps you meant Mk 211. In the hands of a capable shooter, most Barretts I've seen will shoot those to around 2 MOA.

 

[Etype]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lindy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Perhaps you meant Mk 211. In the hands of a capable shooter, most Barretts I've seen will shoot those to around 2 MOA.
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Yeah, good catch. I know them better by A606 and AA53, but I figured that wouldn't make as much sense to everone else.

 

[Hogstooth]

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Dude, I love the Hondo roll the guy was trying to do with the .50 at the end on the pavement, I didn't know that was part of the Army qual?

 

[Only10x]

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excellent song to accompany the vid.
and 2. fat guys need not apply

 

[18Echo]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paraiso</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What MOA accuracy were you guys getting out of the Barrets? </div></div>

Minute of Tank

 

[Trapshooter12]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paraiso</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What MOA accuracy were you guys getting out of the Barrets? </div></div>

I was at a 1K shoot last month and some guys were talking about the 50 cal match a couple weeks before and how the 50's weren't shooting MOA and if they couldn't shoot better than an MOA they weren't worth having.

Another guy said that he and many others were dumping thier 50's for that reason.

 

[wildcatkit52]

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It isn't the rifle but the ammo that restricts the accuracy. A round that has been around as long as this one, and designed for a machine gun? Just wait until better ammo is more common.

The army is coming a long way since the days it took 25 or more years to get new weapons, tools, and gear fielded.

When I attended we shot only the M24 and didn't have as much fun as it looks like the OP here did!

 

[Etype]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wildcatkit52</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It isn't the rifle but the ammo that restricts the accuracy. A round that has been around as long as this one, and designed for a machine gun? Just wait until better ammo is more common.</div></div>
A recoil operated weapon isn't very accurate either. The MK211 ammo is a lot more accurate than the machine gun stuff. The TAC-50s are said to be a good deal more accurate...

 

[t0kie]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Trapshooter12</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paraiso</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What MOA accuracy were you guys getting out of the Barrets? </div></div>

I was at a 1K shoot last month and some guys were talking about the 50 cal match a couple weeks before and how the 50's weren't shooting MOA and if they couldn't shoot better than an MOA they weren't worth having.

Another guy said that he and many others were dumping thier 50's for that reason. </div></div>

Interesting point here.I never fired a .50 cal before but this is good info to know.

 

[Graham]

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The Barret is a 2.5 MOA rifle. It was never designed for precision work, but I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of incoming fire from it at any range.

The TAC 50's are definately more accurate, but they kick significantly harder.

 

[DP425]

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+1 on Graham... They usually hold 2.5-3MOA weapon/ammo/shooter dependent.

And as he said, they were never intended to be a "sniper rifle", rather an anti-material rifle due to the fact that against a straight up man in the open, they provide little advantage over a .308- sure, you gain considerable energy... but you loose considerable accuracy. Another reason the max eff range on a soft target is said to generally be 600m where a .308 will be from 800-1000 depending on weapon system and ammunition used.

Long story short- anyone that claims one shot human target hits with an M107 at a mile... either amazingly lucky or 100% full of shit.

 

[t0kie]

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So, it's more like punching power & distance instead of precision then?

 

[DP425]

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Correct. It's the reason we are getting the rebuilt M24 in .300WM- so we can have a true long range precision platform good to 1500m (or so they say with the new .300WM loadings). This is something that has been an unfunded requirement for years

They are intended to take out hard targets of interest- generators, radar stations, communications equipment, soft(er) skin vehicles... aircraft (ON THE GROUND-shooter). OR targets through heavy barriers (block, concrete or mud walls).

 

[sinister]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> This is something that has been an unfunded requirement for years
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Not for the conventional Army. No requirement until 25th ID and 10th ID stated they needed them for Afghanistan.

 

[DP425]

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Okay sorry let me clarify... it's been on the sniper community's want list for years. Hows that? Better?