Ashbury Precision Ordnance Sniper's Hide Edition Rifle

[NukeMMC]

Wonder how many smaller PD SWAT teams will look at these as very budget-friendly options?
The AAC-SD 1:10 barreled action is a great starting point. Just ask Mike R at Tac Ops. He thought the world of the Rem PSS barrel and it was 1:12. Just needed a setback and rechamber and they can shoot very well.
If they are culling out actions that don't spec out, they are spending that QC time instead of the machine time to fix. Probably one of the main reasons for the price point.

 

[Bayhawk21]

Anyone else thing this is just a vehicle for APO to sell some of their chassis? If value was the #1 priority, the Bravo offers all of the same functionality at half of the price.

You seem to only be focusing on one aspect of this, the chassis. This is a turn key system and should be looked at as such.

The evaluation of it's value is going to be specific to each person. This is a turn key system that doesn't need upgrades but allows you to do so if you want. The barreled action is checked to ensure at least a reasonable measure of accuracy. The trigger is a good aftermarket trigger. I view this as quite a bit of value.

As Frank always says, this is an option. If you don't like it then there are other options. For many of us we think it's a very good option.

 

[Kimber.204]

Anyone else thing this is just a vehicle for APO to sell some of their chassis? If value was the #1 priority, the Bravo offers all of the same functionality at half of the price.

You say that as if it is evil to try and sell your products?? That's the goal in business...to sell your products (whatever those products might be). As a small business owner I'm always looking for new ways to sell my services.

The evaluation of it's value is going to be specific to each person. This is a turn key system that doesn't need upgrades but allows you to do so if you want. The barreled action is checked to ensure at least a reasonable measure of accuracy. The trigger is a good aftermarket trigger. I view this as quite a bit of value.

As Frank always says, this is an option. If you don't like it then there are other options. For many of us we think it's a very good option.

This is exactly right - the value is up to the end user. I get so frustrated that most people can't look past their own wants and needs and realize that others may want/need something different. The Bravo for instance is a really nice stock, I've handled one, considered buying one a few times, so I have nothing against it. But, for the "system" that is being presented here, the Bravo lacks one main thing......the ability to be configured in different ways to meet the users desires. With the Bravo, you would have to "upgrade" to a different chassis....with this APO you can change components and move on.

Like I've been saying in some of my other posts....vanilla ice cream or chocolate? Both get the job done, they're just different.

 

[Winny94]

You seem to only be focusing on one aspect of this, the chassis. This is a turn key system and should be looked at as such.

The evaluation of it's value is going to be specific to each person. This is a turn key system that doesn't need upgrades but allows you to do so if you want. The barreled action is checked to ensure at least a reasonable measure of accuracy. The trigger is a good aftermarket trigger. I view this as quite a bit of value.

As Frank always says, this is an option. If you don't like it then there are other options. For many of us we think it's a very good option.

I understand what it is. I personally just don't see the value (hence my question, is this just a vehicle for APO to sell chassis). There are better (i.e. better action & barrel) systems out there for the same money. If this were to come in at $1400-$1500 w/ a setup KRG bravo, that would be a much better value. Whats the old saying about the most important components being trigger, glass, and barrel?

 

[Winny94]

You say that as if it is evil to try and sell your products?? That's the goal in business...to sell your products (whatever those products might be). As a small business owner I'm always looking for new ways to sell my services.



This is exactly right - the value is up to the end user. I get so frustrated that most people can't look past their own wants and needs and realize that others may want/need something different. The Bravo for instance is a really nice stock, I've handled one, considered buying one a few times, so I have nothing against it. But, for the "system" that is being presented here, the Bravo lacks one main thing......the ability to be configured in different ways to meet the users desires. With the Bravo, you would have to "upgrade" to a different chassis....with this APO you can change components and move on.

Like I've been saying in some of my other posts....vanilla ice cream or chocolate? Both get the job done, they're just different.

Im not saying its evil, im just saying if this was created as a value for a new shooter, it couldve been done better. Im saying the main goal was to try and move their chassis, not provide the best value.

Also, since i own neither, what does this chassis do that a Bravo cant do? Even with the enclosed forend on the bravo, its still several hundred cheaper, which goes along way to the new shooter (hell, that goes a long way for almost everyone).

 

[vmpglenn]

I understand what it is. I personally just don't see the value (hence my question, is this just a vehicle for APO to sell chassis). There are better (i.e. better action & barrel) systems out there for the same money. If this were to come in at $1400-$1500 w/ a setup KRG bravo, that would be a much better value. Whats the old saying about the most important components being trigger, glass, and barrel?

Sounds like you're gauging a given rifle as a system for maximum mechanical accuracy, whereas to me the APO rifle is an attempt to give precision shooters good practical accuracy, a ton of adjustments to "fit the rifle to the shooter, not the other way around" to paraphrase Frank, and an easy path to future upgrades -- all under the PRS Production Class cost cap. When you're shooting at 800+ yards, even slightly off wind calls will create way more misses than the difference between a 1MOA vs 1/2MOA rifle.

I'm drawn to the APO offering because I'm confident "good enough" accuracy is baked in, and I'm more concerned about all the other rifle features on offer vs competitors. For me, the value is obvious.

 

[Winny94]

Sounds like you're gauging a given rifle as a system for maximum mechanical accuracy, whereas to me the APO rifle is an attempt to give precision shooters good practical accuracy, a ton of adjustments to "fit the rifle to the shooter, not the other way around" to paraphrase Frank, and an easy path to future upgrades -- all under the PRS Production Class cost cap. When you're shooting at 800+ yards, even slightly off wind calls will create way more misses than the difference between a 1MOA vs 1/2MOA rifle.

I'm drawn to the APO offering because I'm confident "good enough" accuracy is baked in, and I'm more concerned about all the other rifle features on offer vs competitors. For me, the value is obvious.

Again, im just wondering what this system offers that the same barreled action w/ trigger in a more affordable chassis/stock option doesnt? LOP adj., cheek height adj., pad cant, MLOK, all available for much less $. It just seems odd to have "good enough" specs across the board, but a borderline premium chassis. This whole rifle seems to center on a 90% of the function for 50% of the cost of top of the line idea, except for the chassis - just seems like an odd thing to splurge on.

hell, im surprised APO didnt mfg a chassis/stock like those more value based ones. Again, getting closer to that $1500-$1600 range wouldve been a huge improvement.

 

[Lowlight]

This is a complete system, you are asking for a piecemeal thing to save money but where is the support in your question.

Personally, you should be taxed for trolling this thread, if you don't get it, move on instead of thread crapping on my post.

But you are getting Customer Service and Support in a system that is upgradable and modular. You have 1 company you can go too and if there is a situation you can have it handled. They are responsible for the entire package vs taking cheaper components and having the different companies manage only one side of it. We have 3 products here, the Barreled Action, the Trigger, and the Chassis, one stop and you are finished. That is the benefit, I can say to anyone, go buy Products A, B, and C, and do it yourself and it's gonna be cheaper, but you are not getting the support or the quality control in ensuring the system is correct.

If you want a $1000 offering, you can get the APO version from Cabelas, it's different but similar and much cheaper. Not the same trigger, not the same back end on the chassis, but a lot less money, if that is all you care about.

The chassis is the point of human contact, so you want to have the best features you can in terms of adjustability. The other chassis's while cheaper is not the same in terms of what level of fit and adjustability you have. You can easily put the Magpul on it, remove the trigger upgrade and save $900.

But thanks for crapping on my thread with your "I don't get it" bullshit, really classy.

 

[Bayhawk21]

Again, im just wondering what this system offers that the same barreled action w/ trigger in a more affordable chassis/stock option doesnt? LOP adj., cheek height adj., pad cant, MLOK, all available for much less $. It just seems odd to have "good enough" specs across the board, but a borderline premium chassis. This whole rifle seems to center on a 90% of the function for 50% of the cost of top of the line idea, except for the chassis - just seems like an odd thing to splurge on.

hell, im surprised APO didnt mfg a chassis/stock like those more value based ones. Again, getting closer to that $1500-$1600 range wouldve been a huge improvement.

APO does have a lower priced option. At Cabela's their rifle is currently on sale for about $1000, regularly $1700. This looks to make the upgrades people would normally make anyway. Particularly the buttstock and trigger. This model also looks to include a muzzle brake.

With this being meant to support marksmanship, Frank choose to focus on areas that he's seen students have issues with, particularly the ergos and trigger pull. Frank has called this a training rifle. It is biased towards what, based on his experience, he sees as helpful in supporting the learning of the fundamentals. That's the reason for the choices which were made.

You could probably make a cheaper comparable rifle using a bravo but that doesn't make this worse, even if the other one was cheaper. Consideration of quality also has to be factored in. You can have something with the same functionality as this, but if this lasts longer, then it may be more value for the owner. I don't think we're going to be able to provide you with a value statement that gets you a satisfying answer.

<Whoops, looks like Frank beat my reply>

 

[vmpglenn]

Again, im just wondering what this system offers that the same barreled action w/ trigger in a more affordable chassis/stock option doesnt? LOP adj., cheek height adj., pad cant, MLOK, all available for much less $. It just seems odd to have "good enough" specs across the board, but a borderline premium chassis. This whole rifle seems to center on a 90% of the function for 50% of the cost of top of the line idea, except for the chassis - just seems like an odd thing to splurge on.

hell, im surprised APO didnt mfg a chassis/stock like those more value based ones. Again, getting closer to that $1500-$1600 range wouldve been a huge improvement.

I should clarify that "good enough" to me means the ability to hit targets under a variety of conditions on the clock at distance. I know for a fact that I'm the weak link the chain, so a rifle's mechanical ability to shoot bugholes at 100 yards means less to me than a bunch of other factors.

 

[Winny94]

This is a complete system, you are asking for a piecemeal thing to save money but where is the support in your question.

Personally, you should be taxed for trolling this thread, if you don't get it, move on instead of thread crapping on my post.

But you are getting Customer Service and Support in a system that is upgradable and modular. You have 1 company you can go too and if there is a situation you can have it handled. They are responsible for the entire package vs taking cheaper components and having the different companies manage only one side of it. We have 3 products here, the Barreled Action, the Trigger, and the Chassis, one stop and you are finished. That is the benefit, I can say to anyone, go buy Products A, B, and C, and do it yourself and it's gonna be cheaper, but you are not getting the support or the quality control in ensuring the system is correct.

If you want a $1000 offering, you can get the APO version from Cabelas, it's different but similar and much cheaper. Not the same trigger, not the same back end on the chassis, but a lot less money, if that is all you care about.

The chassis is the point of human contact, so you want to have the best features you can in terms of adjustability. The other chassis's while cheaper is not the same in terms of what level of fit and adjustability you have. You can easily put the Magpul on it, remove the trigger upgrade and save $900.

But thanks for crapping on my thread with your "I don't get it" bullshit, really classy.

Is asking the questions really "crapping on your thread"? And im not insinuating someone would or wouldn't be better off putting together their own pieces - we all know that's going to be the most cost effective option, but not necessary the best option. I was simply asking why the bulk of the cost is tied up in a premium chassis when the rest of the gun is value based. You stated the reason - its relevant to some, not to others.

Since you brought up the customer service and upgradeabilty aspects - at what point does APO no longer have a responsibility for issues? If a customer were to swap triggers right away then down road swapped barrels, then started having ejection issues or light strikes or some other insignificant issue, does APO still service it? Obviously w/ most MFGs once you deviate from "factory" you're on your own, but since this is being marketed as upgradeable, is it different?

 

[Winny94]

APO does have a lower priced option. At Cabela's their rifle is currently on sale for about $1000, regularly $1700. This looks to make the upgrades people would normally make anyway. Particularly the buttstock and trigger. This model also looks to include a muzzle brake.

With this being meant to support marksmanship, Frank choose to focus on areas that he's seen students have issues with, particularly the ergos and trigger pull. Frank has called this a training rifle. It is biased towards what, based on his experience, he sees as helpful in supporting the learning of the fundamentals. That's the reason for the choices which were made.

You could probably make a cheaper comparable rifle using a bravo but that doesn't make this worse, even if the other one was cheaper. Consideration of quality also has to be factored in. You can have something with the same functionality as this, but if this lasts longer, then it may be more value for the owner. I don't think we're going to be able to provide you with a value statement that gets you a satisfying answer.

<Whoops, looks like Frank beat my reply>

Frank answered my long winded questions. The value isn't there for me, but I can better understand why it would be a viable option for others.

 

[Lowlight]

Your first post on the subject was thread crapping, pure and simple you were attacking the concept more so than asking a real question.

Anyone else thing this is just a vehicle for APO to sell some of their chassis?

Your words verbatim,

This is an APO rifle they are supporting it, you have an upgrade path through APO if you like to go beyond what is offered.

Barreled actions are easy, people can drop a barreled action into any chassis out there without support

A KRG Bravo does not have the adjustable grip, you can change the distance to the trigger shoe, the angle of the grip and the type of grip used. It's a bare bone stock/chassis system. For sure it is cheaper it does not do the same things.

I wanted a stock that had the modularity the APO has, I wanted it to be adaptable to any and most shooters, not just certain people. The fit of the rifle to the shooter was key. The Remington based barreled action is a no-brainer from a name recognition standpoint, and because they are the 350 chevy of the shooting world. You can do anything you like with a decent resale value.

But yes the chassis is key, the APO chassis system has a level of flexibility not found in some of the others.

No matter what stock I used, could have been a rifle from anyone, your trollish comment would be the same, isn't he just using Brand X to sell the Y ... you're a troll plain and simple with your I don't get it.

APO is a company with a long-standing track record, they have 2112 gunsmiths from the USMC PWS shop, they have shooters in place that attend competitions across the country. They have the ability to not only expand but to support the process now and moving forward. They are offering first class service at base rifle costs. They are one stop for the entire project.

Some people just want to be jerks and play Tom Hanks

 

[cro789]

Has anyone shot the APO in 224 Valkyrie? If so what is your opinion of this set up? I mostly run an AI but looking at the 224.

 

[footsteps]

This looks like the obvious choice for my next gun, my first purchased was an RPR 2 years ago, at the time that was my entry level choice. Looking forward to my next purchase this offers more quality for the $$ and it's easily upgraded, a good cost effective upgrade for my current needs and future shooting goals.

 

[slayer 2c]

You really believe that??? You really think LowLight is going to put his brand on something or someone just so they can sell a few more Chassis???

 

[10RingPaladin]

Is asking the questions really "crapping on your thread"? And im not insinuating someone would or wouldn't be better off putting together their own pieces - we all know that's going to be the most cost effective option, but not necessary the best option. I was simply asking why the bulk of the cost is tied up in a premium chassis when the rest of the gun is value based. You stated the reason - its relevant to some, not to others.

Since you brought up the customer service and upgradeabilty aspects - at what point does APO no longer have a responsibility for issues? If a customer were to swap triggers right away then down road swapped barrels, then started having ejection issues or light strikes or some other insignificant issue, does APO still service it? Obviously w/ most MFGs once you deviate from "factory" you're on your own, but since this is being marketed as upgradeable, is it different?

As a new shooter, it's perfection for me. It's modular which means the rifle will grow with me as I progress. That's a huge selling point for me. I hesitated to get into precision rifle because of the cost of admission. This rifle immediately puts me in the game with a quality piece I can have confidence in for 2K. It may not be of value for you but it's a game changer for me.

 

[cro789]

Talk to APO about one in 224 val. The two rifles they quoted was 4500 and 2700.

 

[Dirty D]

I had a Savage Model 10 APO and it was a fantastic value, I had an issue with the hinge and even though Savage was responsible to fix the issue I called APO and they were more than happy to help. The hinge issue was fixed in 2 minutes by adjusting a set screw because the APO engineers had anticipated hinge tension issues and included the ability to adjust the tension before the product ever left their facility. Now if they would offer a right folding stock that captures the bolt.

 

[Lowlight]

Right Folding stocks that capture the bolt are patented by Cadex and jointly held by Remington with them.

APO and Cadex have a history in this regard, so no, you won't see a right folding capture the bolt stock if that means paying a fee to Cadex for the patent

Plus the stocks that fold right and capture the bolt never work right with aftermarket bolt knobs. Even the Cadex doesn't fit them all

 

[DaleGribble82]

Right Folding stocks that capture the bolt are patented by Cadex and jointly held by Remington with them.

APO and Cadex have a history in this regard, so no, you won't see a right folding capture the bolt stock if that means paying a fee to Cadex for the patent

Plus the stocks that fold right and capture the bolt never work right with aftermarket bolt knobs. Even the Cadex doesn't fit them all

Fact.

 

[_Windrider_]

Right Folding stocks that capture the bolt are patented by Cadex and jointly held by Remington with them.

APO and Cadex have a history in this regard, so no, you won't see a right folding capture the bolt stock if that means paying a fee to Cadex for the patent

Plus the stocks that fold right and capture the bolt never work right with aftermarket bolt knobs. Even the Cadex doesn't fit them all

Is JP paying that royalty or do they get around it because their chassis goes both ways (no homo)?

 

[Lowlight]

Folding can go both ways, but it does not capture the bolt with the solid stock,


There is a skeletonized stock that APO is working on if you reversed the hinge you probably can capture the bolt. But it's just enough gray that doesn't fall into the patent area because it is different enough in the current configuration.

if your chassis folds to either side because of left or right actions that is different from folding to capture the bolt.

 

[Dirty D]

...There is a skeletonized stock that APO is working on if you reversed the hinge you probably can capture the bolt. But it's just enough gray that doesn't fall into the patent area because it is different enough in the current configuration...

I would love to get my hands on one of these.

 

[JC0352]

Anyone else thing this is just a vehicle for APO to sell some of their chassis? If value was the #1 priority, the Bravo offers all of the same functionality at half of the price.

The butt pad doesn’t move up/down on the Bravo and it doesn’t fold, either.

 

[Winny94]

The butt pad doesn’t move up/down on the Bravo and it doesn’t fold, either.

FWIW, KRG does offer an adapter to make the butt pad adjustable.

 

[Davo308]

Very interested in this rifle.

Where can i pick one up?

Not seeing it on ashburys site.

 

[cro789]

I think you have to call them and ask

 

[Bayhawk21]

Very interested in this rifle.

Where can i pick one up?

Not seeing it on ashburys site.

https://www.ashburyprecisionordnance.net/snipers-hide

 

[SonicBurlap]

Very interested in this rifle.

Where can i pick one up?

Not seeing it on ashburys site.

I just went to the Sniper's Hide home page where the rifle is described in detail and the APO special web site given.
https://www.ashburyprecisionordnance.net/snipers-hide
Once you go there you will see that there is a running countdown to availability display where currently it is at six days and counting. It also has an option to be notified when availability begins. Just thought I'd check, and sure enough, he who seeks will find.

 

[SonicBurlap]

https://www.ashburyprecisionordnance.net/snipers-hide

You must've posted that while I did my online research.

 

[slayer 2c]

FWIW, KRG does offer an adapter to make the butt pad adjustable.

FWIW, you are correct.......but this thread is about the Snipers Hide training rifle, not KRG. All of this was started by a troll who came in and started asking stupid questions and making comparisons to other products. KRG makes great products, I own some of them, but Frank picked APO for his stock, his rifle, and his reputation. Its a one stop shop for the people who trust his brand. Other companies build great stocks but don't make or svc entire rifles, or have the ability to handle the volume that is required for a project like this.







So Back on topic I go!!!! Anyone got one ordered yet??? Talk to APO about them??? If you have or haven't what options are you leaning towards???

I'm thinking I'm going to stay stock except the pmag option and removal of the break for threaded for the suppressor

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

A nice rifle. If I could get it in my hand under $2k I would order one.

Wonder if the cabelas version is accurized or hand selected?

 

[Davo308]

FWIW, you are correct.......but this thread is about the Snipers Hide training rifle, not KRG. All of this was started by a troll who came in and started asking stupid questions and making comparisons to other products. KRG makes great products, I own some of them, but Frank picked APO for his stock, his rifle, and his reputation. Its a one stop shop for the people who trust his brand. Other companies build great stocks but don't make or svc entire rifles, or have the ability to handle the volume that is required for a project like this.







So Back on topic I go!!!! Anyone got one ordered yet??? Talk to APO about them??? If you have or haven't what options are you leaning towards???

I'm thinking I'm going to stay stock except the pmag option and removal of the break for threaded for the suppressor

Im on the fence between the standard in 6.5 creed, and the .260.

Just wondering what will be better for reloading between the two.

I asked Ashbury a few weeks back about the .260 with the high performance accuracy package-that includes a blueprinting job, and 20/24 inch heavy palma stainless barrel, 1/2 MOA guarantee.

Was quoted 700 for that.

I will also probably opt for the 20 MOA base.

 

[Bayhawk21]

So Back on topic I go!!!! Anyone got one ordered yet??? Talk to APO about them??? If you have or haven't what options are you leaning towards???

I believe @Maggot may be delinquent in reporting back.

Just talked with Mark at Ashbury and he invited me out next week when they get settled from Shot. Looks like Ill get to fondle one of the beauties. Nom Nom

 

[slayer 2c]

I believe @Maggot may be delinquent in reporting back.

This Is VERY true.......

 

[Maggot]

I believe @Maggot may be delinquent in reporting back.

Just heard from them yesterday. After Shot there was a bunch of flu going around so things got delayed. Should get the tour and have photos to share next week. If the weather is good I may even get to embarrass myself on the range. I really looking forward to it. ...The tour, that is, not embarrassing myself.

 

[Davo308]

The 6.5 creedmore has the option of magpul magazines and AICS pattern 10 round magazines.

Any recommendations on which to go with? Ideally I'd like a mag that would allow the longest OAL cartridge feeding reliably.

 

[SonicBurlap]

The 6.5 creedmore has the option of magpul magazines and AICS pattern 10 round magazines.

Any recommendations on which to go with? Ideally I'd like a mag that would allow the longest OAL cartridge feeding reliably.

They are listed as optional items to add for additional payment, either the Polymer Magpul AICS, which come in 5rnd and 10rnd for short action and are the same for both .308 and 6.5 Creedmoor which is why I have identification bands on mine when they are loaded, or Metal AICS mags. I use both in my Bergara, both feed reliably without problems. It boils down to personal preference. I prefer the polymer because I got roped into being the unit armorer for my outfit in the service for a while and have changed more magazine springs, and bent more feed lips back in shape, and removed more rust spots from metal magazines than anyone should have to.

 

[300ATT]

Bravo while less expensive is not as upgradable. Yes, I’m Ashbury did not enter this relationship hoping they would sale less chassis ...

 

[slayer 2c]

Bravo while less expensive is not as upgradable. Yes, I’m Ashbury did not enter this relationship hoping they would sale less chassis ...

We're past that nonsense!!!!!

WELL NOW..........I was looking at going with the Magpuls just so I could stay with the mags I all ready own for my JP-lrp07, and just now in your discussion read for the first time that they are the Magpul AICS pattern Mags, not the ones that I use in my JP. Well that changes that option!!!! or the need for it at least.

On a different note, I was wondering if I can get it with a 0 MOA rail not the 20? If not no big deal, would just make my life a little easier.

 

[Lowlight]

We are getting close to release,

APO Sent an image in the white of the engraving on the rifle

 

[Maggot]

We are getting close to release,

APO Sent an image in the white of the engraving on the rifle

View attachment 7032398

Sweet. Ill get to see that in person circa 1400 hours Thursday when I visit their shop. Being a Hide member has its perks...

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

Do they have an moa guarantee? I would be curious to know more about their inspection and gauging process of the factory R700 action and barrel. How detailed can you get without pulling the barrel and chucking it in a lathe?

 

[Lowlight]

They provide test targets, I think as far as a guarantee goes it is written as 1 MOA which is typical but generally, I find it 's 1/2 MOA to 5/8ths of an inch at 100 yards.

Guarantees are a really a thing of the past because of the choices of ammo and the fact it's a shooter thing. If I say the gun is a 1/2 MOA rifle and you try to shoot it and only do a minute, the bitching starts. So providing a test target per is the best way to address it.

Thanks to the internet guarantees are going away, as soon as the shooter doesn't meet that spec they hop online and complain. So it's better to say nothing or provide a target, even then, people will complain if they cant do it.

 

[Bayhawk21]

Do they have an moa guarantee? I would be curious to know more about their inspection and gauging process of the factory R700 action and barrel. How detailed can you get without pulling the barrel and chucking it in a lathe?

From the datasheet in the first post of this thread:

 

[Zeroit]

The Stock is adjustable,

Guys you have to follow the links and watch the video. It helps to answer a lot of questions.

I included the images of the other APO rifles so you can see the directions you can go. The center section is standard and the ability to change either end is the defining factor here. They have hunting style, F Class, tactical, Uber Tactical, as well this works in Competition

Melissa Gilliland shot for APO before joining Team GAP, she used an APO with this stock for years

if you look at the Valkyrie stuff with Jim Gilliland, he is using an APO and that Shadow 6 rifle above is his.

Dammit I had a hard time staying focused on the rifle not the guns! My buddy wants this he Just know it yet (the rifle) forwarding information he wants to build one I don't think he can for that price.

 

[Weatherby_Eyebrow]

Anyone know what the lenth of pull starts off as and how many spacers you get?

...of couse now i need a teachers note from Frank and a bit of luck canceling an order i have on something else.

 

[98cwitr]

oooo 14 hours to go. Any MOA guarantees or at least testing?

 

[Weatherby_Eyebrow]

oooo 14 hours to go. Any MOA guarantees or at least testing?

Look up at post #94 and the response #95