ATF suspends the "Q" cease and desist order

[THEIS]

Another good example for the military types: When your Commanding Officer issues a bunch of orders, he does so under the UCMJ. So that order to stay out 'that bar' or likewise establishment, or a added post regulations that don't exist on other bases isn't a law passed by Congress. But ignore it at your peril unless you were looking for a rank reduction, a quick dismissal, and/or a trip Kansas for an extended stay... Base/CO orders are a lot like CFR regulations.

Hi,

Is that sorta like when Command Master Chief holds a meeting and says nobody is allowed to purchase a car from abc dealer because the 500 complaints from that dealer pulling the switcharoo, lolol
BUT my rights!!!, lolol

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[Blutroop]

Another good example for the military types: When your Commanding Officer issues a bunch of orders, he does so under the UCMJ. So that order to stay out 'that bar' or likewise establishment, or a added post regulations that don't exist on other bases isn't a law passed by Congress. But ignore it at your peril unless you were looking for a rank reduction, a quick dismissal, and/or a trip Kansas for an extended stay... Base/CO orders are a lot like CFR regulations.

That’s a good example but like choosing to wear the mask to get into Costco if your a MEMBER. We made a choice to enlist knowing we were held to a different and higher standard. Holding to that higher standard because of a oath commitment didn’t strip us of our rights. They were still there to fall back on. Also When your a soldier your not protected because you were “following orders” so soldiers have to be (should be) strong in their convictions.

 

[powdahound76]

Sounds to me like this @THEIS person (never assume gender!!!) should own a firearms company and do it’s marketing.

having talked with him, he is Registering negative on the douche scale vs the guy from Q who is off the charts.

and Inchman Breezy, find somewhere else to be a windbag.

 

[Blutroop]

Sounds to me like this @THEIS person (never assume gender!!!) should own a firearms company and do it’s marketing.

having talked with him, he is Registering negative on the douche scale vs the guy from Q who is off the charts.

and Inchman Breezy, find somewhere else to be a windbag.

Yes that would be perfect for a individual like @THIES. That individual wouldent have as much computer time then though.

 

[IrishWind]

That’s a good example but like choosing to wear the mask to get into Costco if your a MEMBER. We made a choice to enlist knowing we were held to a different and higher standard. Holding to that higher standard because of a oath commitment didn’t strip us of our rights. They were still there to fall back on. Also When your a soldier your not protected because you were “following orders” so soldiers have to be (should be) strong in their convictions.

That is more state law/regulation and private entitie's policies. If Costco said you had to dance the Hokey Pokey when you enter a store as part of their membership, then you put your left foot in...

As for the mask in public, that has been beaten to death here too many times this summer.

 

[madppcs]

Unfortunately the CFR is given law because executive agencies are better equipped to figure out some issues better than Congress. Want proof, look at the FCC and FAA. The FCC's main mission is to make sure the elcromagnetic spectrum is allocated such that users are not walking over each others transmissions. Anyone who has been to a third world shithole can probably come up with a story on how they listened to some local's phone call on a tactical radio (that was fun trying to communicate with jets in the air and getting interrupted with those calls). Or the FAA setting up airspace deconfliction so busy airspaces are not flying death traps. Or establishing the basic standards that a pilot and his plane must meet to make sure both are safe before take off. And regulations are supposed to reference a passed law. Agencies are not supposed to just create rules just because.

Does the CFR get abused. Yep. Looking at you EPA. But the idea is Congress delegated some authority to the Executive to flesh out the laws they passed. And the Executive Agencies are supposed to be the subject matter experts (SME) on an issue. ANd unfortunately, the ATF is who we have as the SME. And the NRA is too busy begging to fund LaPierre's lifestyle than to actually listen to shooters and try to fight for us.

The Constitution and Bill of Rights are pretty clear. Nowhere does it mention any agency, or working hours.

 

[THEIS]

The Constitution and Bill of Rights are pretty clear. Nowhere does it mention any agency, or working hours.

Hi,

It also doesn't mention speed limits and schools being gun free zones but yet they exist.
It also doesn't mention seatbelts being a requirement in order to participate in using a motor vehicle but yet it is required.
It also doesn't mention that companies cannot dump lead and other harmful chemicals into the rivers but yet they are not allowed.
It also doesn't mention oil companies can lease blocks in the GOM in order to pursue oil/gas exploration yet they are leased and used every single day.
It also doesn't mention the Federal Government can control what commerce comes in and goes out of the USA but yet they not only control it, they receive monetary taxes/fees from it.

ALL those above are controlled and conducted by Agencies. Which ones are ok for Agencies to oversee and which are not ok?
How many people do not have active registrations and insurance on your vehicles? Why do we fall for complying with that?

We all want the 2A to be extremely cut and dry, black and white but we have allowed the Gov to grey everything else too. If we are going to truly use the Constitution and BOR as they were/are intended to be used it must be done as the whole document, not piece milled to fit ANY particular agenda.


Sincerely,
Theis

 

[OldSalty2]

Imterestingly, there seems to be some overall confusion in regards to 2A. IMO, as ACB put it, 2A is a individual right that transcends civil duty or civil rights.

Meaning, its inherent to the individual. Thus, to take the same approach or apply analogies of civic responsibility/duties are apples to oranges.

But I am admittedly biased in my own line of reasoning.

For individual rights 1A and 2A are, again IMO absolute and for a very specific reason which is rather evident in this thread. Because there is never any true "middle ground" or "common sense" that can be applied without infringing on what is inherent.

 

[madppcs]

Hi,

It also doesn't mention speed limits and schools being gun free zones but yet they exist.
It also doesn't mention seatbelts being a requirement in order to participate in using a motor vehicle but yet it is required.
It also doesn't mention that companies cannot dump lead and other harmful chemicals into the rivers but yet they are not allowed.
It also doesn't mention oil companies can lease blocks in the GOM in order to pursue oil/gas exploration yet they are leased and used every single day.
It also doesn't mention the Federal Government can control what commerce comes in and goes out of the USA but yet they not only control it, they receive monetary taxes/fees from it.

ALL those above are controlled and conducted by Agencies. Which ones are ok for Agencies to oversee and which are not ok?
How many people do not have active registrations and insurance on your vehicles? Why do we fall for complying with that?

We all want the 2A to be extremely cut and dry, black and white but we have allowed the Gov to grey everything else too. If we are going to truly use the Constitution and BOR as they were/are intended to be used it must be done as the whole document, not piece milled to fit ANY particular agenda.


Sincerely,
Theis

Because people like us are totally complacent. All we ever do is come on forums like this and complain, then go back to watching (other people) on TV burn down cities and overtake police precinct's and actually get laws written, changed to there liking.
Until we stop bitching and moaning and being compliant with every unconstitutional law and use the tactics that are being used against us, then we are all on borrowed time.

 

[IrishWind]

Also, US Constitution does not mention the US Marines Corp or the U.S. Air Force. I guess in the alt-right world these need to go.
Or the USDA or health inspectors? I guess madppcs loves eating rancid meat and moldy bread. Slap on some hot sauce and no one would notice when it is going down...
Or maybe he wants Congress to take over these agencies? Let Diane Feinstein write the ATF opinions on what is a legal gun or not. Or have the Pelosi and Schumer decide who gets broadcast licenses for TV and Radio. What could go wrong there???
As for labor hours, I guess he is OK with sending kids into coal mines, working 60-70 hours a week, and no safety oversight. OK, OSHA is another agency that has gotten out of control. But then again, most people would rather not see their kids working in a mine that can collapse any minute either.

 

[OldSalty2]

I rest my case.

 

[IrishWind]

Also fun fact, the US Constitution and the BORs originally only applied to Federal Government. States were free to do what ever and could ignore the US Constitution when writing their laws. So, if your state passes an Assault Weapons Ban, you better comply since in your alr-right world the 2A does not apply to state laws. Or if your governor tells you to wear a mask in public, you better comply since it is your state's law. The US Constitution only became applicable to state laws after passing the 14th Amendment. Which was never in the BORs. Sooo....

 

[madppcs]

Also, US Constitution does not mention the US Marines Corp or the U.S. Air Force. I guess in the alt-right world these need to go.
Or the USDA or health inspectors? I guess madppcs loves eating rancid meat and moldy bread. Slap on some hot sauce and no one would notice when it is going down...
Or maybe he wants Congress to take over these agencies? Let Diane Feinstein write the ATF opinions on what is a legal gun or not. Or have the Pelosi and Schumer decide who gets broadcast licenses for TV and Radio. What could go wrong there???
As for labor hours, I guess he is OK with sending kids into coal mines, working 60-70 hours a week, and no safety oversight. OK, OSHA is another agency that has gotten out of control. But then again, most people would rather not see their kids working in a mine that can collapse any minute either.

What are you rambling on about? Nobody is talking about the Marine Corp or 75% of all the other long winded responses coming out of you. My point was that the 2nd Amendment is pretty well written and self explanatory. Every agency and law in existence against it is unconstitutional.
Your trying to argue sending kids into coal mines...

 

[Woodlanddude]

The difference, gents, is that the founding fathers felt so strongly about the Second Amendment to our US Constitution, is that they left a clear and distinguished message to all that followed to understand. The right to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!!!! The Constitution is otherwise a framework, upon which our legal system and the law of our country is built upon. But, they clearly wanted you to know that this one recognized God given right was not to be fucked with. At the least to the level of personal small arms, all restrictions and taxes upon this right, are unconstitutional and damn to hell all whom have chosen to ignore that fact and rule/legislate otherwise.

 

[IrishWind]

Just pointing out that the US Constitution doesn't cover a lot. And if we used your legal expertise, then just showing what you believe is true is fundamentally false. And go back to my post about the US Constitution and the BORs. The founding fathers who wrote them did not intend for states to be bound by it. Read Amendment 10 of the US Constitution.

But hey, go ahead and ignore laws you don't like. And enjoy prison. And when some gang bangers are having a gang bang on your lilly white ass, just remember, going to the Bureau of Prisons for help/protection would be hypocritical since you believe those agencies shouldn't exist.

 

[IrishWind]

As for "Shall not be infringed" to be true, which of the following do you accept as OK to buy a gun?

Someone as they are holding the gun they want to buy saying this perfect for shooting up a school?
Should a non-US citizen/openly proclaimed ISIL member be allowed to buy guns?
A serial rapist with a felony convictions?
Mentally unstable people?
A meth head clearly under the influence at the gun shop?

 

[BullGear]

Lets face it. The ATF is just playing the game as defined by someone higher up on the Federal food chain. Maybe this is a sign that Biden doesn't have the election wrapped up like some have supposed. So the "Big Guy" told the ATF to hold off on this.

 

[E. Bryant]

Sounds to me like this @THEIS person (never assume gender!!!) should own a firearms company and do it’s marketing.

having talked with him, he is Registering negative on the douche scale vs the guy from Q who is off the charts.

Screw that @THEIS guy - all he does is post a bunch of nerdy bullshit about FEA-this and validation-that that supposedly prove how well his stuff works. BTW, I'm pretty sure he's a dude; most women aren't that boring.

What I really want from my hard-use firearms companies is a bunch of trolling-via-meme on Instagram.

 

[IrishWind]

Screw that @THEIS guy - all he does is post a bunch of nerdy bullshit about FEA-this and validation-that that supposedly prove how well his stuff works. BTW, I'm pretty sure he's a dude; most women aren't that boring.

What I really want from my hard-use firearms companies is a bunch of trolling-via-meme on Instagram.

NO! We want Gun Bunnies in bikinis. Memes are good, and toss in a few. But gun bunnies will prove that only real men can handle a $5000* DI AR-15.

*sights/scopes/lasers/suppressors/rail covers not included

 

[E. Bryant]

As for "Shall not be infringed" to be true, which of the following do you accept as OK to buy a gun?

Someone as they are holding the gun they want to buy saying this perfect for shooting up a school?
Should a non-US citizen/openly proclaimed ISIL member be allowed to buy guns?
A serial rapist with a felony convictions?
Mentally unstable people?
A meth head clearly under the influence at the gun shop?

If someone makes a threat with a firearm, it's a threat. Those ain't com under a number of other existing laws, because that violates the basic rights of others. Didn't matter if it comes via a rifle, baseball bat, broken bottle, pipebomb, or bare knuckles.

If a non-citizen is here legally, then yes, they should be allowed to purchase a firearm.

If we feel that serial rapist was rehabilitated to the point where they can be allowed to rejoin society (and realizing that this should be an incredibly high bar to clear), then they should have full rights restored (voting, gun ownership, whatever). If we (society) can't trust someone with legal gun ownership (or the right to vote, or any other basic right), then they need to be locked back up because they're going to find a weapon if they so desire.

Mentally unstable people shouldn't be free to roam if we can't sell them a gun, because they can find guns or any number of other ways with which to cause harm to themselves or others.

Drugs + guns don't mix, but that's also true of alcohol, fatigue, or stupidity, and we don't try to regulate the shit out of those things in an ineffective and intrusive manner.

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

I can do Gun Bunnies but then I would be blamed for being in cahoots with Ukraine, Russia and Greece.......

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[MtnGhost]

If you have to ask, the US Constitution is law. You might want to find a copy and actually read it. It authorizes the US Congress to create laws under it's authority. Congress writes the laws, and the President signs them.

Not entirely accurate. K-street attorneys / lobbyists in DC write the laws, Congress just sells them on their behalf.

 

[EddieNFL]

I might have missed that one. I have a copy of the US Constitution right here. Can you tell me where it is in there?
And our rights have already been infringe. What are you doing about it?

I already know the answers to both, but humor me. Please. I need a good laugh

It's not there, but I think it's mentioned in another document.

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands...

Standing by as the legal experts among us explain what it really means.

 

[E. Bryant]

Hi,

You remove every picture of someone shouldering it from everything related to your company.
You overload the www with pictures of wounded Vets, disabled women, disabled men, etc; and not some gun bunny...a real wife that draw real compassion to protecting their family while their travelling salesman husband is away that NEED to utilize the PISTOL brace concept.
Media blast with various minorities, sexual preferences, etc etc.....
Stop the "Super Commando" shouldering marketing campaigns.
Super Commando's draw no compassionate and emotional support from Law makers but telling the elderly widow you cannot have something to protect yourself is completely different.

Sincerely,
Theis

@THEIS had laid out what would seem to be an effective prescription for dialing down the heat on this controversial issue. Let's check in with Q's Chief Marketing Officer to see how the plan is progressing:

At this point, it's like watching two schoolyard bullied fight it out - we really don't want either party to win, but itsure as hell is entertaining to watch them trade punches.

 

[tomcatmv]

Living about 35ish miles south of Waco, love the # on the sign.

 

[madppcs]

Imagine if ALL Firearm manufacturers, accessory manufacturers, ammunition company's, and EVERY 2nd amendment supporter stood as firm as Q.

I dont know the guy, I dont own any of his products, but Im standing with Q and any other person or company that believes the same. Why are we not supporting this guy? Why are so many in this community absolutely fine with (not poking the ATF bear)? When is it enough?

 

[Rthur]

@THEIS had laid out what would seem to be an effective prescription for dialing down the heat on this controversial issue. Let's check in with Q's Chief Marketing Officer to see how the plan is progressing:

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At this point, it's like watching two schoolyard bullied fight it out - we really don't want either party to win, but itsure as hell is entertaining to watch them trade punches.

While it may not be the best tactics, I can't fault a man who decided this is the line he'll go no further.
He's playing to his customer base as well.

R

 

[79steeler]

The only problem I have with Q is that they can't produce these awesome rifle's and pistol's fast enough!!!!

 

[Forgetful Coyote]

Hi,

Here is a question...

How many here actually contacted their State Representative and State Senator when the original C&D was sent to Q to discuss this matter with them?
How many here actually contacted the BATFE public affairs division with a well written statement put together by your lawyer to discuss this matter with them?
How many here got on a firearms forum and touted "Not taking mine", etc etc etc?

Which of those do you think actually make a difference?

IF your answer is that is the NRA, etc etc job to do then you have already lost those rights your talking about, it just not official yet.

Sincerely,
Theis

I did the first one...
Didnt do number 2 or 3... sorry, aint got enough money to pay a lawyer, and didnt feel number 3 would really help, so...

 

[seanh]

Hi,

I can do Gun Bunnies but then I would be blamed for being in cahoots with Ukraine, Russia and Greece.......

Sincerely,
Theis

Don't know about Ukraine but Russian and Greek chicks can be freaking hot... it's okay to be in cahoots especially if they are mail order

 

[W54/XM-388]

Hi,

I can do Gun Bunnies but then I would be blamed for being in cahoots with Ukraine, Russia and Greece.......

Sincerely,
Theis

Could you maybe do women with guns, that are NOT from the Ukraine or Russia and maybe are fully clothed and maybe actually know how to use weapons and know how not to be covered in mud on their way to a photo shoot and maybe look like they have a personality that could talk about things other than fashion?

 

[LeftyJason]

Could you maybe do women with guns, that are NOT from the Ukraine or Russia and maybe are fully clothed and maybe actually know how to use weapons and know how not to be covered in mud on their way to a photo shoot and maybe look like they have a personality that could talk about things other than fashion?

Maybe like how I'm pretty sure he hired @Geno C. wife for marketing stuff? (sorry can't remember her name here.)

 

[jcmullis2]

Because people like us are totally complacent. All we ever do is come on forums like this and complain, then go back to watching (other people) on TV burn down cities and overtake police precinct's and actually get laws written, changed to there liking.
Until we stop bitching and moaning and being compliant with every unconstitutional law and use the tactics that are being used against us, then we are all on borrowed time.

You’re absolutely right. However if we burned stuff down and took over police stations they’d treat us different. The atf and fb👁 seem to treat gun owning white folk different than BLM and antifa. Must of us know they wouldn’t hesitate one second to do us just like they did the gun owners at ruby ridge or Waco so we just bitch and moan. Hell, we don’t even do that loud enough for anyone to notice. BLM and antifa doesn’t want to be treated equal they want to be treated special and they darn sure are.