Athlon Cronus 4.5x29x56mm vs SWFA HD 5x20x50mm . I have the SWFA now and love it,is the glass in the Athlon Cronus the same or better ?
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locked&loaded;n6293847 said:I just picked up a Cronus BTR. I have to say the glass is a bit better than the Bushnell G2DMR it replaced.
The Cronus's glass is almost as good as the Vortex Razor Gen 2? It's worth the price of admission.
I have a Burris XTR II, Cronus, and SWFA SS. Guess I just got a good one but the SS has the clearest glass I've ever looked through and has been used like a hammer by 3 different owners and still tracks like it's on rails. The Cronus is better than the XTR by a wide margin and is clearer than several gen 1 razors I've looked through. However, my first Cronus quite tracking and had to be shipped back and their CS was great. So far so good with the second one.... but if it shits out I will not be getting a replacement. Personally I laugh at all the glass whores on here. How fucking clear does something need to be to make a hit on a target. I compared a Cronus to a Kahles gen 3, actually used both in a match and compared afterword side by side. The Kahles was slightly better but not by enough to make a difference. The glass was more than good enough on both to not cost me points because I couldn't see what I was aiming at. I'd rather have a scope with GOOD ENOUGH glass and rock solid tracking day in and day out, every damn day that I never had to worry about taking a shit on me when I just spent $$$$$$ going to a match or expensive hunt 10 states away. If they would put a decent reticle in the SWFA similar the skmr3 or mr4 from Minox I would sell every scope I have and own nothing but them.
glass is usually subjective, but the Cronus glass is nowhere near a gen2 razor. but pretty close to the gen 1, and the gen1 and SShd are real close. if you're willing to take a shot on Athlon, a used cronus would be pretty good value. other than that, i'd get a used gen 1 razor.
My experience is the opposite, the Cronus glass being better than the GII Razor.
And my experience is the opposite to yours. I would never put an Athlon glass nearly as half of the quality of my Razor AMG. I will say it's a little bit better than my PST.
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Do you actually own a Cronus or are you just guessing?
You sound like a friend of mine who is jaded against Athlon scopes because 6x47Steve shilled for them when SH was hosted on Scout.
I replaced a Gen II 4.5-27 with a Cronus 4.5-29.
The glass in my scopes were very close with the Athlon controlling CA better.
A Viper PST is not even in the same league as the Cronus.
Do you actually own a Cronus or are you just guessing?
You sound like a friend of mine who is jaded against Athlon scopes because 6x47Steve shilled for them when SH was hosted on Scout.
I replaced a Gen II 4.5-27 with a Cronus 4.5-29.
The glass in my scopes were very close with the Athlon controlling CA better.
A Viper PST is not even in the same league as the Cronus.
Which is why "glass" discussions are nearly useless.
Everyone has different eyesight.
Glasses, no glasses, astigmatism, color blind, cataracts etc...
PST <XTR2<SWFASS<HDMR<Razor Gen1<Cronus<Razor Gen2
I think that is an accurate assessment. While keeping it simple. I think you could move the Vortex AMG to the top. With the new Vortex PST 2 just below the Gen 1 razor. Just a guess. Since it's not on the market yet?
I wish people would stop making assumptions about what quality "glass" should be. Glass glass glass, what about adjustment accuracy, parallax, reticle, eye box, durability? I understand the OP wasn't concerned with those things. Everyone else has turned this into a pissing contest of "my glass is better than athlon." or "athlon is better than your glass." if you haven't gotten behind two scopes at the same time in the same conditions, it's impossible to be accurate with a judgement. i own a few of the scopes mentioned in these posts and i can't give you a definitive answer as to which i preferred optically because glass looks different in all conditions. anyway, just my $.2 even though no one asked.
glass quality is forever gonna be more of opinion than fact, because getting a hold of several samples of each $1500+ optic would be an expensive endevour. but it would seem most people perusing this site these days, are more than willing to recommend an optic or other gear that they've never used or seen for that matter. i would hazard a guess that only about half of the people using the "Hide" these days actually shoot more than a few times a year.
some of us get the opportunity to get behind different optics in the same conditions, that's as close to an apples to apples that anyone will get. the OP asked about the cronus vs the SS hd, i've been behind both within a couple minutes, on the same lane. to my eyes and the owner of the cronus, they were equal, couldn't tell a nickles difference in the glass. other aspects were different though. these threads will always spiral into a discussion, bringing other choices into the fray, mainly because people want their opinions heard, and sometimes, to keep others from making an expensive mistake.
you seem to be getting assed up that the other aspects weren't brought into discussion, simple answer is at this price point the only difference should be glass quality if any. nobody really knows how durable the athlon scopes are because they've only been out for a year or so. we've had a gen1 razor on a mk13 for 6 years, i've had an SShd on my 300 for 5 years. athlon needs to be in the game for a while before they get a durability reputation, and even then, anything man made will fail.
Do you actually own a Cronus or are you just guessing?
You sound like a friend of mine who is jaded against Athlon scopes because 6x47Steve shilled for them when SH was hosted on Scout.
I replaced a Gen II 4.5-27 with a Cronus 4.5-29.
The glass in my scopes were very close with the Athlon controlling CA better.
A Viper PST is not even in the same league as the Cronus.
I would suggest you to read my post again. I never commented about any scope's league. I said the Athlon has a little bit better glass than the PST .
If I weren't be behind of an Athlon I wouldn't said what I said. In my eyes, the glass of my AMG is twice better than the Athlon.
Now talking about leagues, the Athlon IS NOT IN THE SAME LEAGUE AS THE VORTEX RAZOR AMG, PERIOD!
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I think many would disagree with this statementglass is usually subjective, but the Cronus glass is nowhere near a gen2 razor. but pretty close to the gen 1, and the gen1 and SShd are real close. if you're willing to take a shot on Athlon, a used cronus would be pretty good value. other than that, i'd get a used gen 1 razor.
Well he did say it over a year ago.I think many would disagree with this statement
I actually felt the Cronus eyebox was pretty forgiving for a medium-cost/high-mag scope. I shot all afternoon yesterday pegged at 29x, and I could stay on the scope and see splashes out to 800 yards.I’ve owned two of each, both at the same time. Still have one of the SWFAs.
Something not mentioned here is the eye box on the Cronus sucks over 20x. I mean it’s pretty much useless. The SWFA only goes to 20x but the eye box is very good through the range.
The glass between them is a wash. Take reticles out of the equation and you wouldn’t tell a difference. All that being said, both of them are a significant step up from any of the Bushnell Elite Tactical scopes.
I have a gen II razor and a Cronus. The Cronus is a nice scope but not in the same league as my Gen II Razor by any means.My experience is the opposite, the Cronus glass being better than the GII Razor.
Glass subjective, I guess so, because having used both I thought the G1 Razor was closer to the old Nightforce NXS line and nowhere near The Cronus which is up there with the best, like March and S&B IMO.
Edit, To further comment I would compare the glass in HDMR's, had three, with the Razor G1 I compared with at the same time, and the SWFA 5-20 that I looked through, as all very close. I kept the HDMR's and sold the RZ1 and NF F1 mostly because I wanted the H59 reticle. I had fantastic luck with all the HDMR's, not one failure for all the years I owned them.
I noticed the parallax knob was very hard to turn on the SWFA 5-20 which for me was a deciding factor for not purchasing one.