Rifle Scopes Athlon Optics....Hmmm...

[Adam B]

This industry is ripe with stealing each other’s ideas. Honestly if they improve it we all benefit if not they are just hacks.

 

[Average guy]

Biggest problem I have it seems from the post that they wanted some samples from Tyler, then outsourced his design. That’s fucking shady. If they wanted a throw lever it’s not hard to design on from scratch. Don’t care I’m over Athlon.

 

[RobbinsHGray]

So as long as it’s not illegal it is perfectly moral and ethical. Obviously you attended the Bill and Hillary Clinton school of ethics.

Legal is a pretty low bar for moral and ethical

 

[Emerson0311]

You realize the KungFlu was designed by, developed by, funded by, and distributed by Fauci (an American), Bill & Melinda Gates, all the world governments (including our own) under the NWO's Agenda 2030 and the World Climate Organization psychos in an attempt to depopulate the earth to cut down on "climate change" by reducing our carbon footprint, right?

Look up all the Bill Gates videos on YouTube where he's talking about "innovating to zero" and "the next pandemic" and many many others! Some came out almost 15 years ago. They've been planning it a long time.

I know some will laugh and tell me I need to go make another tinfoil hat, but open your damn eyes, do some research for yourself, and see what is going on right in front of your face, that the government and the mainstream media are covering up for them. If most of you knew the sick and disgusting things our government and alphabet agencies do on a daily basis, you would be ready to revolt tonight. It will turn your stomach and give you nightmares. But I think everyone should do the research to realize that ALL the world's governments, billionaires, and elites are in on this...Not just China. They're ALL guilty.

I bet your "American-made" truck has more chinese parts in and on it, than it does truly American-made parts on it. The world's reliance on China is scary. You really can't avoid it. That's why I don't worry so much about that shit. I don't like it, but it's a sad fact of life these days.

This is the truth. The divisive “racism” threads and “my country is better than your country” are just pro sports style distractions to keep us plebes busy while the truly rich give us a sausage injections from behind. Very rich people are not gods, they are most likely some of the terriblest humans that live. That’s how they got rich. Western society worships them.

 

[Fig]

I disagree. Lots of them are fucks, it’s true, but their wealth is not what does it. Plenty of poor fucks too.

 

[Emerson0311]

I disagree. Lots of them are fucks, it’s true, but their wealth is not what does it. Plenty of poor fucks too.

To be sure, there are lots of poor fucks, but the smart ones have become rich fucks. The fucks come before the $$$.

 

[Gohring65]

You realize the KungFlu was designed by, developed by, funded by, and distributed by Fauci (an American), Bill & Melinda Gates, all the world governments (including our own) under the NWO's Agenda 2030 and the World Climate Organization psychos in an attempt to depopulate the earth to cut down on "climate change" by reducing our carbon footprint, right?

Look up all the Bill Gates videos on YouTube where he's talking about "innovating to zero" and "the next pandemic" and many many others! Some came out almost 15 years ago. They've been planning it a long time.

I know some will laugh and tell me I need to go make another tinfoil hat, but open your damn eyes, do some research for yourself, and see what is going on right in front of your face, that the government and the mainstream media are covering up for them. If most of you knew the sick and disgusting things our government and alphabet agencies do on a daily basis, you would be ready to revolt tonight. It will turn your stomach and give you nightmares. But I think everyone should do the research to realize that ALL the world's governments, billionaires, and elites are in on this...Not just China. They're ALL guilty.

I bet your "American-made" truck has more chinese parts in and on it, than it does truly American-made parts on it. The world's reliance on China is scary. You really can't avoid it. That's why I don't worry so much about that shit. I don't like it, but it's a sad fact of life these days.

I agree!
Who ever wants to knock China scopes can climb up on that fuckin high horse and ride it home and take everything out of their house that’s made in China and then ride that big ole high horse back over here and scream righteousness!
Their house would be empty, and the cheap 500$ Chinese optic will be less than 1% of the total value that’s made in China! Spare us the China bullshit! Even if someone did clean out their house of China products, the world has 9 billion people and 95% of them have China products including every neighbor on their street that would quickly cancel out their “all American” footprint. It’s a joke and whoever says “all American” can’t be taken seriously in any manner.
And by the way, Germany along with Brussels spies on us and tries to undermine us in every aspect.
Again, if we’re going to be real, let’s be fuckin real.

 

[Fig]

Although I did bring up Chi Com, I was not trying to make this a global trade issue. For me this is personal and about one of our own. You can justify it anyway you want to, and Athlon did till called on it, and now apparently they aren’t going to include the knockoff.
If it was me and I did not copy it exactly, but designed my own I’d be waiving and all of you (and at me) with my dick. That’s not what happened.
Never too late to do the right thing. I’ll even by your best scope if you do.

 

[drglock]

Their turret magnifiers are the shitznitz for us older guys..

I see what you mean. Lol at least I do now.

 

[koshkin]

I'm not saying Tyler doesn't have a beef here, but there are only so many ways to make a throw lever.
Some are aluminum, some polymer, some are 3-D printed.
They ALL look very similar.

I am not privy to the details of what happened between MK Machining and Athlon, so I'll stay out of that one.

I will bring up a couple of points to consider though:

1) MK Machining did not invent cat tails and there are indeed only so many ways to make one.

2) Did MKM reach out to Athlon? or was an internet attack, in an effort to start a cancel campaign, the first salvo?

3) People copy ideas all the time. For example, the turret magnifier idea that MKM has is by no means original. The first company to do it was MTC Optics. I bet Tyler saw that and offered a different looking solution that is conceptually exactly the same. I do not remember any uproar (not should there have been).

I do not remember anyone cancelling anyone when Tyler was on Aadmount threads offering his products as cheaper or more available alternatives to Aadmount. Hell, his caps look like a near direct ripoff of Aadmount scope caps and all throw levers kinda work the same way so the differences are mostly cosmetic. I do not remember the uproar and cancel campaigns. Nor should there have been. I do not think he is infringing on any patents and while barging in on other company's threads is kinda rude, he can do his thing whichever way he wants to. I may not like it, but that is my personal problem. I do not use MK products because I do not like his business practices, but I am not out to start a cancel campaign.

The guy from Athlon recognizes the situation (and I can guarantee that the exact look of the throw levers is so low on his radar that he had no idea they looked anything like the MK lever), comes on here and says: "we are dealing with it".

What else do you want him to do? Order them from Tyler who just tried, and possibly succeeded, in getting a social media attack on his company going? That is kinda counterproductive. If I were running Athlon, I would not touch anything to do with MK and Tyler with a ten foot pole (to re-iterate, if my guess is wrong and Tyler tried to talk to Athlon directly first, that changes things). Anything else would be rewarding some very unhealthy business practices.

Someone further up said that they will not be ordering an ETR any more. That one baffles me. You will not be ordering a Chinese scope from Athlon because Athlon decided to make throw levers in China?

Or is there something I am missing? is everyone who has ever made a throw lever going to be boycotted now?

If you do not want to buy Chinese-made products, I totally get it, but that is an entirely different conversation.

ILya

 

[gopherslayer]

So did someone steal a knockoff of a knockoff?
Don‘t taze me bro!

 

[Mike Casselton]

I mean, getting knocked off is kind of in the nature of 3D printing. For example sometimes you design a scope cap and sell it pretty successfully for years, and then some guy comes along and squares off some edges and sells it for $25 cheaper as his own design.

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Damn,
Butler Creek should be pissed at Aadamount...

 

[pnwkiwi]

What are you? A communist?

Mate ... around 20 years ago America largely decided to outsource low value manufacturing to China so that its citizens could enjoy more goods at a lower cost thereby raising the general living standards of most Americans. Exploiting the lower cost of another country's labor is not communism, it is the very definition of capitalism. There were absolutely massive and unintended consequences in going down this path but we all have access to largely decent quality, low cost consumer goods as a result - look around your house. What matters is that the really important stuff like cars, airplanes, critical defense and IT infrastructure and medicines are made right here at home. Who gives a shit about cheap rifle scopes and light switches?

 

[GrumpyOleFart]

Tikka-Finland
Vortex HD & Razor ll - Made in Japan, US company.
Kahles - all good.
Phew.....
Harley Davidson FatBoyLo..... oh fuck!
It's got chinnybits all over it.

 

[devildog93]

Mate ... around 20 years ago America largely decided to outsource low value manufacturing to China so that its citizens could enjoy more goods at a lower cost thereby raising the general living standards of most Americans. Exploiting the lower cost of another country's labor is not communism, it is the very definition of capitalism. There were absolutely massive and unintended consequences in going down this path but we all have access to largely decent quality, low cost consumer goods as a result - look around your house. What matters is that the really important stuff like cars, airplanes, critical defense and IT infrastructure and medicines are made right here at home. Who gives a shit about cheap rifle scopes and light switches?

Except medicines aren't made here for the most part and we find out every day how much isn't made here and is dependent on a communist country that has said they wish to crush us. 93% of all ibuprofren comes from China. Almost 100% of generic medications come from China. How smart is it to rely on your number one competitor for most of your medicine? Seems like an assanine plan to me.

 

[FuhQ]

Except medicines aren't made here for the most part and we find out every day how much isn't made here and is dependent on a communist country that has said they wish to crush us. 93% of all ibuprofren comes from China. Almost 100% of generic medications come from China. How smart is it to rely on your number one competitor for most of your medicine? Seems like an assanine plan to me.

I see and agree with both points... We should not rely on medicine we need, being made by our enemy and a country that hates us. That goes for ANY country that hates us. But stupid things like scopes, bed sheets, textiles, and inexpensive appliances don't really matter all that much as to where they were made, when you look at the grand scheme of things. Once again, just my personal opinion. I don't like the fact, but like has been stated, it's just become the fact of reality.

I wish we didn't have to rely on any country but our own, and we were 100% self-reliant again, but Big Brother has set itself up to put it's actors in place to really grease those pockets. They go into politics broke, with good intentions, and come out of it as multi-millionaires and dirty and slimy and swampy as it gets. Wonder how that happens? Backroom shady deals with foreign countries and billionaires...That end up fucking us, and our country, all to make their bank accounts fatter.

 

[pnwkiwi]

Except medicines aren't made here for the most part and we find out every day how much isn't made here and is dependent on a communist country that has said they wish to crush us. 93% of all ibuprofren comes from China. Almost 100% of generic medications come from China. How smart is it to rely on your number one competitor for most of your medicine? Seems like an assanine plan to me.

Fair point on the generics and I am with you, those types of products (including their base compounds) IMHO are strategic and should either be made here or sourced from a reputable partner country.

 

[Dobermann]

Me: Scrolls to top of page: "Am I in the Bear Pit? No, still in "Observation & Sighting Devices".

Good; carry on ...

 

[6gunner]

I just ordered a set of AAD Mount scope caps for my Athlon Cronus.