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This is similar to my process. I looked at lots of reviews and ultimately went with the ACE. Decided to build up to more rifles and chose the ACE for both of them, so now i have a total of 3 of them.I don't have the ATS but I did a lot of research on the ACE vs others before purchasing it. It has a bit less recoil mitigation compared to others but not by much yet it has almost no concussive blast. I have it on my 24" 6.5 creedmoor and this rifle is much more pleasant to shoot compared to my 14.5" AR15's, both with brakes.
I have both. Have shot the ATS on Aarons gun as well (owner and maker of ATS/KSS). On his gun with his setup, its the least ammount of recoil/muzzle flip I have ever seen or shot. Its what convinced me to buy it.Anyone shot both of these? Which do you prefer? Which is less concussive?
The ATS is probably THE most shooter friendly brake out there. You can stand right next to the ports (we did this) and while you feel the blast, there is no ringing or concussion. Its the biggest selling point. Every better than the ACE in this perspective.I have an ACE, but had to look up the ATS... and it looks pretty aggressive with all the ports coming right back at the shooter.
I haven't had it long, but so far I like the ACE. It's a great choice if you don't want to get beat up. it's about as comfortable to be behind as the Insite Heathens I've run for a while now (which is one of, if not, still the best out there for that).
The ATS is probably THE most shooter friendly brake out there. You can stand right next to the ports (we did this) and while you feel the blast, there is no ringing or concussion. Its the biggest selling point. Every better than the ACE in this perspective.
It was designed to be shooter friendly and not give you ringing headache after a day of shooting. Its very effective at that,.
TMB brake has some gnarly concussion from the few I've shot around. Very similar to APA. Didnt think the tuner diameter behind the brake did anything, maybe it makes a cone of less muzzle blast that overlaps the shooter, but definitely not any more than 20-30° from either side. I run ats comp tuners behind apa fat bastards, and the same brake without a tuner on some, I don't notice a difference as the shooter, it's still very poppy. Since I began wereing in ear and over the ear when shooting, it's less prevalent. All muzzle brakes are loud. Suppressed is far more civilized, but spotting shots is important in the competitive and hunting applications.So now I’m curious… How does the ATS accomplish what you describe? All the pics of them that I’ve found show ports fairly aggressively aimed back towards the shooter?
Are you talking with the tuner thingy installed, kind of how the TMBs work, where the tuner housing redirects the blast?
I run my Peltor in ear buds even when shooting suppressed. My left ear hearing is total shite from years of music, drilling rigs, and firearms, oddly the right is pretty good. Have continuous tinnitus and I'm only 39. Trying to save what little I have left.Even the Heathens and ACE brakes are pretty brutal unless you’re the one directly behind them pulling the trigger… generally speaking, any brake isn’t going to win you any new friends lol.
FWIW, I’m weird in that I sort of see suppressors on PRS-style guns as being basically pointless, because if you don’t still wear ear pro you’ll be deaf in no time (and probably won’t win many matches against other guys running loud ass brakes).
I run my Peltor in ear buds even when shooting suppressed. My left ear hearing is total shite from years of music, drilling rigs, and firearms, oddly the right is pretty good. Have continuous tinnitus and I'm only 39. Trying to save what little I have left.
Well I get a headache in like two shots with a braked rifle and can shoot all day with no pain with my civilized gun. So I shoot what I enjoy shooting.FWIW, I’m weird in that I sort of see suppressors on PRS-style guns as being basically pointless, because if you don’t still wear ear pro you’ll be deaf in no time and probably won’t win many matches against other guys running loud-ass recoil-reducing brakes.
So now I’m curious… How does the ATS accomplish what you describe? All the pics of them that I’ve found show ports fairly aggressively aimed back towards the shooter?
Are you talking with the tuner thingy installed, kind of how the TMBs work, where the tuner housing redirects the blast?
They are also pretty bad for recoil reduction/muzzle flip. ATS has less concussion than ACE, I have tested them side by side. There is a reason I sold off the ACE's.The ACE brakes less concussion
I have aces, lil bastards, big bastards dn5, ti pro brake, hypertaps. The ace is just as good as a lil bastard gen3 with all the top ports opened. I have a few the hypertaps with open ports on top and they're pretty dang good. Idk, if you shoot all them from bag front support, with the same body position, you'd have to video 10 rounds each brake and compare the footage to tell a difference, and then you could point a finger as say this one does this or that but in the heat of the moment on a clock, I dont know if you're gonna be able to say "oh brake X is better than brake Z because I was able to do this better". Idk, use which one you have become familiar to the impulse, know where you're reticle lands consistently from recoil, train your eyes to go the where the target will be to get post shot data. You'll have to do this with every brake, as they are all gonna be different. Changing brakes will only slow this process, as consistency is the key here.They are also pretty bad for recoil reduction/muzzle flip. ATS has less concussion than ACE, I have tested them side by side. There is a reason I sold off the ACE's.
This is why you go stainless. You cant expect them to warranty the nitride inside the blast chambers. Its physics.My only complaint about the ACE brake is that the Nitriding wore away in the blast chambers. I contacted them about this and exchanged a couple of emails with them. I never heard from them after that. So, CS and nitride are my only complaints. Note: I only cleaned the brake with Boretec Carbon Cleaner. I never saw detrimental effects on other brakes from A419 or Insite. All of my other brakes are in great shape.
My thoughts exactlyThis is why you go stainless. You cant expect them to warranty the nitride inside the blast chambers. Its physics.
Maybe it's different with a .223 or a 6 Creedmoor (I don't own one). A 7RM is a completely different beast and I'm intimately familiar with my rifle. I can tell you with certainty there was a definite difference in recoil mitigation between the APA Little Bastard (which is very good at it) vs the ATS.I find it hard to believe you can tell the difference in recoil. If you seriously want to sell it, Ill trade you a nitrided gen 3 fat bastard 5/8-24 (assuming you bought stainless). You can keep the brain damage and Ill run the one that lets me shoot without getting a concussion.
Sorry to hear it didnt work out for you. Sounds like maybe its a better brake for PRS than heavy magnums.Maybe it's different with a .223 or a 6 Creedmoor (I don't own one). A 7RM is a completely different beast and I'm intimately familiar with my rifle. I can tell you with certainty there was a definite difference in recoil mitigation between the APA Little Bastard (which is very good at it) vs the ATS.
I'm not saying the ATS was horrible, because it wasn't. It just wasn't as good as the APA on my 7RM in reference to recoil. The ATS was indeed less concussive to others next to me.
I don't need another APA brake as I have nothing else to put it on, plus my ATS is black nitride and sounds like that's a no go for ya.
I will probably keep the ATS to slap on my 7RM doing load development or just goofing off at the range to be kinder to others.
Me too. I really wanted it to work well for me all the way around.Sorry to hear it didnt work out for you. Sounds like maybe its a better brake for PRS than heavy magnums.
I have a 7RM and run an APA Little Bastard which is absolutely obnoxious to others next to me, but turns my 7RM into a toddler with recoil.So now I’m curious… How does the ATS accomplish what you describe? All the pics of them that I’ve found show ports fairly aggressively aimed back towards the shooter?
Are you talking with the tuner thingy installed, kind of how the TMBs work, where the tuner housing redirects the blast?
This is why you go stainless. You cant expect them to warranty the nitride inside the blast chambers. Its physics
Agreed, the brake has several innovative features. This is perhaps my favorite. The brake works well overall. I'm a fan. I'll keep mine around, but I'm moving more and more towards suppressors.The giant 3/8" hex at the muzzle on the ACE is fucking genius.
And that means jack shit for a brake.Nitride coating significantly increases the surface hardness, corrosion protection, and wear resistance over bare stainless. A properly nitrided brake will last longer than bare stainless. I have a dozen nitrided brakes that have thousands of rounds through them. None of them, not one, shows the same amount of wear that the ACE brake shows. That is a big issue for me. I'm not hating on them; in fact, their CS was quite prompt, but the fact remains that the coating on the brake is failing. That's something I'd like to know before I buy one.
Cleaning Nitride brakes suck. You can't CLR them, as it will fuck up the nitride and turn them pink. So it takes a ton of work and you can never really get them clean. With Stainless just drop them in CLR for 24 hours, take out and throw in ultrasonic with clean water for 15 and you are done. Brake comes out looking new. I will never buy another nitride brake again, if raw stainless is an option.
I have a nitrided A419 Sidewinder. I put it in a pickle relish jar filled with Boretech C4. That goes in the ultrasonic filled with clean water. Run for 30 minutes. Rinse in hot water. Done. Comes out clean as a whistle with effectively zero effort.
The mpa DN5 has less recoil than an ace, as does a the hypertap brake.
Try the new TBAC dominus rr suppressor, prob the best of what you seek.I want to have my cake and eat it too.
I care more about keeping my hearing than fighting recoil, so anything with more concussion back at the shooter than the ACE is out for me.
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Big sale on ATS brakes. Looks like they are closing them out so get them cheap.
I don't think that's the reason. When I spoke with him a few weeks ago he said it was still aways off before the H2 would be finalized and ready for production.I speculate as to if this is a random sale, or if Aaron Hipps may soon be releasing his revised version of the
prototype sab567 tested labeled the ATS-H2.
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Big sale on ATS brakes. Looks like they are closing them out so get them cheap.