Awesome suppressor muzzle brake front end attachment by Recoilx
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Just did a test in the backyard for this. Using an 11 pound x47 with a 20” Bart CF and 123’s running right at 2800 and shooting standing off a RRS tripod with the clamp fully locked out, I was hoping to measure the difference in my reticle after shooting with and without the brake. The HNT has an aftermarket ARCA lock rail installed so there is no shifting of the rifle in the clamp. The can is a Dead Air TiXC.
I first tried to measure reticle jump by shooting free recoil with the brake attached. That didn’t work well. The whole tripod rocked back and the reticle settled about 11 mils high and 2 mils to the left. I think the tripod could have also shifted position in the dirt. I don’t shoot free recoil so I abandoned this approach and just shot how I normally do off the tripod, which is with moderate pressure on the grip, moderate pressure against my shoulder pocket, light pressure against the cheek pad with my chin weld, and my left hand resting lightly on the left side leg about waist high.
Shooting this way, without the brake attached and with the standard 30 cal endcap on, the reticle consistently came to rest between 2.5 and 4 mils over the center of the target, and about 1.5-2 mils to the left.
With the brake attached, shooting the same way, the reticle was consistently coming to rest between 1.5 and 2.5 mils above the target and around 1 mil to the left. So maybe an improvement of 40% give or take. This was using 5 shots each way.
The most difficult part of this was getting the tripod clamp locked down while maintaining a center hold on the target in the rifles natural point of aim. The rifle is not balanced perfectly, with the fulcrum about 1” rearward of the clamped location on the tripod. It took several attempts on each test to get this perfect before shooting each shot. Normally I will accept a mil or so from being dead center after locking the clamp and just “muscle” the reticle to center with light pressure and send it, usually with good results.
Hope this helps.
Whenever they come back in stock for the Omega I’m going to get one. If no one has filmed it by then I’ll get my hands on a Triggercam and get some footage and will post it here. Not that I don’t believe you guys but I’ve been disappointed before even with rave reviews on the forum. Sometimes people like to embellish their results to justify their expense or out of being a fan boy. Seen that a time or two over the years.
I completely understand that. This only costs $185 so no justification needed on my end. It would not have been an expensive loss like some other things I have purchased and then quickly sold, like several rifle scopes. I am really excited about this brake for the next barrel (6.5 PRC) as I think it will be even more effective. But again, this is an 11 pound setup. Might not make much difference on a 20 pound 6mm.
Yeah sorry didn’t mean to sound like I was speaking about you directly. I mean in general with end users.
Ran this on a silencerco scythe in a one day match at Altus yesterday. 6 creed with 115 DTACs at 2900 out of a 18lb rifle. While I don’t have any quantifiable way to explain the recoil reduction, I definitely saw a lot more with the recoilx vs straight suppressor. It was the best I’ve seen impacts, misses, and trace in a long time.
The brake didn’t come loose over 10 stages even after hitting it several times on props.
Overall I continue to be impressed with this and I think it’s money very well spent.
The brake didn’t come loose over 10 stages even after hitting it several times on props.
Overall I continue to be impressed with this and I think it’s money very well spent.
Has anyone compared this SxS to the anchor brake on the Omega 300? I have a LPR in 300 Win Mag that weighs 9lbs suppressed and ready to hunt. The anchor brake makes a HUGE difference in muzzle jump and felt recoil. Wondering if the Recoil X would have even better reduction?
I did this last weekend. It’s a noticeable difference in recoil.
That’s amazing because the anchor brake tamed quite a bit.
When shooting from a bipod and using a flat end cap, the rifle jumped left quite a bit and I had to pickup the rifle and move it back to the right to be back on target. With the anchor brake, I could see the splash on steel past 400. If this is better, it just might be worth the $.
When shooting from a bipod and using a flat end cap, the rifle jumped left quite a bit and I had to pickup the rifle and move it back to the right to be back on target. With the anchor brake, I could see the splash on steel past 400. If this is better, it just might be worth the $.
On a 223 or dasher it might not be worth it over the factory asr anchor brake but for a win mag moving much more gas I think it would be very appreciable.
While not a straight up 300WM I did try my RecoilX, Hybrid46M, on a 7-300WM (just as it sounds, a 300WM necked down to .284) shooting a Berger 180gr Hybrid at 3160fps average. I also have an Omega 300 that I have used on the rifle with the anchor brake and there is no comparison, I was actually able to keep the target in scope using the RecoilX brake on the Hybrid 46, that simply doesn't happen with the Omega.
I will say this, I shot first without the brake on the Hybrid 46, just the normal endcap. My buddy was about 6-8' behind me when I shot, without earpro, and no issues. I then put the muzzle brake on the end of the 46 and shot again... this time my friend was regretting poor life choices in not wearing earpro, and the brake DEFINITELY redirects a significant amount of gas to the sides, just as it is designed to do. Now the concussion is nowhere even remotely close to what a pure muzzle brake is, but it is no longer hearing safe and that was with the Hybrid 46M set up in the long configuration, will be louder still in the short configuration with the brake.
Which brings me to another point.... I had a mild baffle strike on the last round I shot out of the 7-300. I noticed that the bullet struck the paper @100 yards approximately 2-3" low whereas this rifle normally prints around .5 moa(ish). I didn't think a whole lot of it at the time, but when I got home and started looking I found where the bullet had barely rubbed the finish off the 12 o'clock position on the brake. At this point I broke out the rods from McMaster-Carr (if you want an alignment rod order the correct diameter W1 or A2 rod from McMaster-Carr, they are certified to .005" runout and cost between $5-$15 for a 3' rod as compared to $100-$200 for the same thing from a "gun company") and found that the end of the brake was a bit low from centerline. I have never had a strike on the rifle previously, and didn't even think to check for a .284 bullet coming out of a brake designed for a .30 bullet, lesson learned. It looks like the threads on the end of my barrel are just ever so slightly off which is really amplified by the length of the Hybrid 46M in long configuration, and then the RecoilX added on top of that. In addition, when you screw the brake on there is just a tiny bit of wiggle room as it is locked down, call it a tolerance, with which you can *slightly* adjust its exact placement. Super insignificant amount of possible movement, but was just enough when I put it back on the front of the suppressor while testing the difference of the brake on/off that I hit it. More of a rubbed it, but still, worth noting that it happened. All of this is to say, if you are using the brake in conjunction with a longer suppressor, I would check the alignment.... even if you have never had an issue with that configuration before.
Overall I do like it, and it is certainly effective. For me this is a MUCH better option than having to purchase a whole new suppressor i.e. Area 419 Maverick or similar, and I absolutely despise shooting with bare muzzle brakes.
Ordered a Nomad Ti XC the other night and just ordered a RecoilX Brake for it. Interested to see how it effects recoil on my match rifles. Planning to switch over to the suppressor for less muzzle blast and noise. Already wear double ears but anything to help the tinnitus from getting worse will be good. Will give my opinion when it comes in. Good idea @RecoilXBrakes
Put my Nomad TI XC on my 6gt match rifle with the dead air ebrake. It's noticeable VS just the brake. I suspect the RecoilX will just be more of a good thing. My Nomad LTI XC is even better however a 28in barrel with 9in can, is just too bukoo.
Short fat can, as much volume as you can get under 7", would probably be the best combo. Good enough suppression, but not overly long, recoil reduction of the fat can volume plus the brakes effects. I have a Abel theorem S, 1.75" diameter, 5.65" length, awaiting atf approval. I'll be getting the Theorem brake end cap as RecoilX doesn't support their thread pitch yet.
Why does girth become a metric? Isn't it about back pressure or how much a can restricts flow? However it does it? By poor baffle design or whatever? You want more gas to activate the brake. Just like the comp on an open gun. So a can that is traditionally shitty at suppression like a Sandman K will activate the brake more. The reduction of concussion is the part that needs to be just "good enough". Right?
Like a Magnus K RR vs a Magnus S RR in a 6 Dasher. The S has too much suppression to make the brake worth it on such a small cartridge
Like a Magnus K RR vs a Magnus S RR in a 6 Dasher. The S has too much suppression to make the brake worth it on such a small cartridge
If this is what you want, it's the A419 maverick. SHIT suppressor with muzzle control and recoil reduction as #1 priority.
Isn't this what anyone who puts a loudener on a suppressor wants?
Did the exact same. 7 days into my wait on the ATF, hopefully they both show up soon.
I think that there are varying levels of loudening based upon the cans properties itself no? I put a anchor 3 port on the end of a scythe ti, made for a bit less recoil, not a lot more noise. The maverick configured at 6" is still really loud.
Lol
Why are we stopping at a simple suppressor/brake combo?
Are we not men?
I’m waiting for a unit that looks like:
suppressor
brake
supppressor
brake/brake/bass drum
trumpet
slide whistle
It’ll be 25” long so I’ll chop my barrel down to 1”.
At the range I’ll sound like this guy:
Some of my buddies struggle with the concept of putting a muzzle brake on the end of a suppressor. And I understand their thought process. You either want it quiet or you want to reduce recoil. But I also understand people's desire for reduced concussion I had a slight cost to recoil reduction. Which means that you're not trying to reduce noise with the suppressor, you're just trying to reduce the concussion.
I don't support the no suppressor is hearing safe group of people. I understand what they're saying and I don't argue the technical aspect of DB threshold for hearing safe. But I just try not to be a homo and wear a bunch of ear pro all over the place. I consider my ultra 9 and dominus to be hearing safe enough for me to shoot them without ear pro. But if you put a loudener on any one of those suppressors they definitely are not quite enough to shoot without ear protection. Another group of buddies I have, have all bought into the Magnus RR's and to be honest I don't think those are quiet enough to be shot without peer protection. So once you break the threshold of having to wear ear protection, why mince about with sacrificing recoil reduction for a slight advantage in suppression that you can't enjoy because you have to wear hearing protection anyway. I guess that would be my thought process on pairing the least efficient suppressor possible with this brake. The suppressor is purely there to reduce concussion. No part of it is to be shot without hearing protection.
But you are right. I do want a Maverick. I was looking at them last weekend and they're all out of stock. I don't have a suppressor that the recoil X brake can slave on to. So I would have to go out and buy a suppressor just to use the brake and at that point I thought I might as well just buy the Maverick.
How many shots do you take without ears and your suppressors? Like are you taking one shot hunting or spending the day at the range and shooting many rounds?
This is the main reason I use a can. Concussion reduction.
One thing that I just found out, first hand, is the cumulative effect of the port pop noise (or concussion?) off of a suppressed AR. I always double up one ear (long story) but never had problems with shooting bolt actions when I did so.
Didn’t notice it when shooting my AR (never do, always comes on later), but gdamnit my weak left ear now rings more. This after a week of shooting an AR in a three-sided range shed, alone, doubled up in both ears. No more than 500rds that week off a bench or tripod. (Edit: this is a lot more than normal for me with a bolt gun)
I read later that ears need to rest. There’s supposedly even a difference in potential damage if you/your ear are “ready” or not for the noise to hit.
This was from that pew science joker, who I make fun of for his world-class massively poor communication skills. But people that know way more science than I say he’s solid on the actual data side.
Now, my left ear has been way overly sensitive for years compared to most anybody’s. Docs tell me it happens.
But I consider that ear to be a bit of a canary in a coal mine, where the bird is more sensitive to oxygen issues than humans. When the bird dies, things could get bad so this alerts people to get the hell out of there.
My point is no ear pro when around suppressed fire might be fine for you in some, or most, situations. But there might be some scenario that trips the wire. Like a lot of suppressed fire over a lot of days. Especially with a semiauto.
Think of it like cumulative chemical exposure, sorta, only often ears can usually reset after a rest (I think).
Anyway, good times
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If this is a comment about hearing loss, I've shot guns professionally for 27 years. I've also been in close proximity to rocket impacts and spent years in a position where we conducted breaching in baffle- enclosed live fire shoot houses daily. Expect degradation of your body over your lifetime. How much risk you want to assume and your tolerance level for damage is a personal decision. But I'm way past the new car smell.
(Edit: Excepting tolerance for damage)
Yeah, it’s just like quads, biceps, endurance, power/speed etc. Some people just have tougher ears.
I wish I had your ears…unless you follow this up with the story that you now need to watch movies at 130dB like my deaf-ass grandpa did
(Putting sharecropper hat on)
Lawd sakes that was irritating to every soul inna house!
(and isolating to him)
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Is this an east coast west coast thing? We have suppressor squads so the whole squad doesn't have to wear ear pro for the match. It doesn't work on a square range where the squads are 20 yards from each other. I just shoot braked at those types of matches. But in field matches where you have 200 to 300yds between squads you can safely go the whole day without ear pro. As an entire squad. MDs build out the Practice score sign ups to denote suppresses shooters to build suppressor squads. For this reason.
I'm amazed that other people are amazed at this.
Guys on SH: acting like they're yogis with hearing protection.(Edit: Excepting tolerance for damage)
Yeah, it’s just like quads, biceps, endurance, power/speed etc. Some people just have tougher ears.
I wish I had your ears…unless you follow this up with the story that you now need to watch movies at 130dB like my deaf-ass grandpa did
(Putting sharecropper hat on)
Lawd sakes that was irritating to every soul inna house!
(and isolating to him)
Guys at home: drinking 5 gallons of beer a night, smoking, yorking monsters, haven't been to a gym in 15 years, and nursing dad bods
Not amazed at anything. Just asked a question. Been shooting the sport for 22 years at matches all over the country so not only an east coast shooter. Have seen suppressor only squads.
I still wear my in ear protection shooting my suppressed rigs, whether it's a braked can, or standard, hearing safe 132 dB whatever. I wear ear pro. I ran cans to get rid the concussion 100%, and to shoot my hunting rifles with no ear pro.
I don't think 15-20 rounds in the field a year at 132-135db is gonna make a huge affect, but yeah I could see shooting 6 8 20 matches a year with a braked can at 138-145db, yeah that's gonna take a toll over time for sure.
I still wear ear pro, shooting with my cans in a match, at the range, whatever, and when braked rigs are around, I double up. My hearing is still fucked, my jobs very loud, and I've made some mistakes shooting a braked rifles 1 or 2 times worth no ear pro.
I will not shoot another rifle from this day forward with a brake or bare muzzle, or a braked can without ear pro. It's not worth it. Suppressors that are sub 136db at shooters ear, yeah I'll use those in open spaces shooting at game hand full of times a year, but once that shit goes under an awning at a range or in a shoot house, that shits still gonna damage your hearing.
I'm all for braked cans! Less recoil, no concussion, and I shoot better with them VS a brake. Now put me behind my 14#, prs trainer, I wish I had a brake! Cuz the can still makes it tough to spot stuff
I don't think 15-20 rounds in the field a year at 132-135db is gonna make a huge affect, but yeah I could see shooting 6 8 20 matches a year with a braked can at 138-145db, yeah that's gonna take a toll over time for sure.
I still wear ear pro, shooting with my cans in a match, at the range, whatever, and when braked rigs are around, I double up. My hearing is still fucked, my jobs very loud, and I've made some mistakes shooting a braked rifles 1 or 2 times worth no ear pro.
I will not shoot another rifle from this day forward with a brake or bare muzzle, or a braked can without ear pro. It's not worth it. Suppressors that are sub 136db at shooters ear, yeah I'll use those in open spaces shooting at game hand full of times a year, but once that shit goes under an awning at a range or in a shoot house, that shits still gonna damage your hearing.
I'm all for braked cans! Less recoil, no concussion, and I shoot better with them VS a brake. Now put me behind my 14#, prs trainer, I wish I had a brake! Cuz the can still makes it tough to spot stuff
Sure. I get it. But back to where this discussion started, what's the point of pairing a more effective suppressor or one with more volume with the brake? You're going to wear ear protection anyway. Wouldn't you naturally opt for a more optimum recoil reduction in this braked suppressor combination?
Guilty of the no-gym thing dad bod, for sure. White collar work, man, and three kids (and lack of discipline/focus on the body, for sure).
But I wasn’t making fun of your ears, nor virtue-signaling. I am actually jealous of dudes with tough ears. My stupid left ear is mysteriously fragile as shit, unfortunately.
I assumed you were being facetious because I don't think tough ears is a thing, lol. I think I've just deadened the frequency range that M118LR operates on.
Naw. Eyes are the same way, hearts, elbows, whatever. Retina detachments run in my family. Had two. Mid-fifties. Sucks.
There’s dudes who just aren’t sensitive to changes in their senses, there’s dudes who have tougher physical structures, and of course some dudes have both things.
Joke incoming:
Let's make a new rule on SH. If you can run 7:30 min miles for 3 miles then you can preach the wholistic health and fitness aspect of cumulative hearing loss. But if you can't and are otherwise a tooth decaying meth head, crack fiend then you aren't allowed to come at people with the sUPErsonicCRACKaloneISOVER130db!
Great. Just great.
Now all I get to discuss is the care and feeding of my neck beard. Lol
I have one of these recoil X brakes and I do notice a difference even on my PRS race gun. With the wait times as short as they are I have kicked around the idea of getting a higher flow suppressor to use the brake on. But i agree with your logic that at that point might as well get a Maverick.
However I just can't get past the expense of a Maverick when all I'd do is run in at the shortest config with the brake. I'd like to see them offer it at reduced cost in just the braked config. And with direct thread or HUB. I'd buy it immediately if they would do that.
It's funny that protecting your senses threatens your masculinity.
I'm that guy who's doubling up anytime when shooting. Only exception is when shooting a suppressed 22. And depending on the environment I may still have plugs in.
It's can be difficult to convey tone through text. But no, not really. I literally chuckled at your comment.
You can substitute homo for boner, nerd, handwringer or any other derogatory term that implies someone tucks their T-shirt into their underwear and zips their blue jeans up to their belly button.
If your gonna be dumb, ya gotta be tough
You do you. Protecting hearing now due to not protecting it in the past is not about being weak or fragile, or out of shape lol. It’s about being smart.
You do you. Protecting hearing now due to not protecting it in the past is not about being weak or fragile, or out of shape lol. It’s about being smart.
I've got a Maverick on my PRS gun and everything short action, and run it braked in competition, and full suppressed when shooting out in the desert on my own. I'd get one for my big .30 I'm building, but Area 419 specifically says it's not rated for magnums, so now I'm strongly considering picking up a SilencerCo with one of these brakes.
Question is, if you were doing it from scratch, would you go with a $700 Omega 300 DT, or a Hybrid 36 for the extra $400 and the option to run it in K config with the brake?
Question is, if you were doing it from scratch, would you go with a $700 Omega 300 DT, or a Hybrid 36 for the extra $400 and the option to run it in K config with the brake?
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