Back Door Gun Registration? Now it's the Doctors compiling a list!

[sirhrmechanic]

So for the past many years, the doctors have been asking "Do you have guns in the home" as part of standard medical questions.

Doc's make a nice note of it and, hey, it goes on your computerized medical record! Accessible to.... well, who knows!

Florida passed a law banning doctors from asking about firearms. But the AMA now has an anti-gun activist president (Bloomberg minion) who is pushing for gun control as a medical/health crisis issue. And is offering up the concept that doctors can help create a national registry by entering firearms ownership in everyone's health care records.

Just another over-reach by the swamp.... but maybe we need some pushback. Follow the FL model that says "none of your business." In any case, the answer I'll give from now on is... no... none at all.

Cheers,

Sirhr

 

[Nik H]

I keep hearing about this but I have never been asked my GP.

I, unfortunately, volunteered the information to a specialist I visited about my tinnitus when he asked about exposure to dangerous sound levels. He then launched into a 5 minute soliloquy about the dangers associated with firearms and suggested that I get a new hobby.

I respectfully told him to mind his own FUCKING business and to focus on why I am there versus giving me his retarded opinions...well, maybe not so respectfully.

 

[TBFM]

My neighbor's "FORMER" pediatrician asked about guns in the house. No conversation was going on about guns. Both the mom and dad said the question came out of the blue. They both agreed to leave her practice for good. Amazing........

 

[WaltHer]

Skin doctor asked last month, along with "do you feel safe at home." Long, long silence.

 

[Veer_G]

My primary knows. I got him into firearms ownership and shooting. I guess I'll have to deal with the consequences, if any.

 

[Maggot]

Ive never been asked that question or anything similar. If it ever comes up its "None of your business."

 

[diverdon]

Ive never been asked that question or anything similar. If it ever comes up its "None of your business."

I have been asked that question and the answer is not "None of your business." The answer is "no I do not own any guns." How do you think the data base will organize the data? The people who decline to answer will be put at the top of the list. You are under no lawful obligation to tell your Doctor the truth and this is not about your health.

 

[Clearlight]

Despite ' interesting ' firearms laws here in Aus , we don't have than one !
My first reaction is a smartass one . Raise arms , flex biceps and say ,
" yeah baby these ones ... "

Sounds rather like some kind of covert census . Fortunately my Doctor is
ex Mil and could give minimal fucks to this kind of Gov nonsense , he was
a door gunner running a Gat before he got Med quals .

 

[MtnCreek]

Ever get a NICS check? How about filing an NFA Form? Apply for a carry permit? They already know.

Pediatrician asked the wife a few years ago. She told her she was supposed to ask and to just answer no. ???

 

[Nodakplowboy]

My wife has been doctoring since 2/16 with what finally turned out to be 3 separate auto immunes. Untold number of doctors, PA's, specialists, appointments, etc. There was never any mention of firearms, even at the Mayo Clinic. However, there was always the "Do you feel safe?" question. One time I looked at my wife and asked her if I should leave so she could tell the truth. The female nurse reacted like she was about to pee her panties. My Child Bride smiled sweetly and told the nurse she'd never felt un-safe at home.

In the event firearm ownership is ever asked, I'll just say no, not a one, then ask the questioner if they own any.

 

[powdahound76]

My old PCP said "I know the answer to that question" and started to fill in the answer. This was 7-8 yrs ago. I interrupted and told him the answer was a flat NO. Being a nurse I had done the same questionaires for annual physicals at a part time job. He is my old Dr just because of insurance issues, would prefer him to most any puke I have seen since.

I know there are other ways they will learn, just not going to be from me working to stay healthy by having an annual physical and following labs to keep an eye on stuff that runs in my family.

 

[308pirate]

When I dropped trou for a prostate cancer check there was a pistol in a holster attached to the belt. I think he knows, even though he's never asked.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

My std MD ask this years ago, to which I ask him if he was a pedophile. His face turned red and he ask why did I ask that, well if were are not going to talk about the issue I came here for, I can bounce questions just as good as you to see what sticks! He's never ask again. At a large facility in BHM I was required to shed some clothes to take my chemo. Normally I would lay my shirt over my CCW get the chemo and leave w/o issue, they had big signs no weapons posted at every entrance. This day there was students with the Nurse, one sat on my CCW, got up an said there's a gun in here. Before I could say anything the Nurse said don't worry he's required to have it with him 24/7. Got the chemo and they all left, while dressing back a knock at the door, the same Nurse peeks in you OK, with what I said. Yep I replied, to which she points to her tits an says I've got a 380 here just in case. Made my day.

 

[Nik H]

When I dropped trou for a prostate cancer check there was a pistol in a holster attached to the belt. I think he knows, even though he's never asked.

Now that is funny...I'll have to try that one

 

[Mike Casselton]

When I dropped trou for a prostate cancer check there was a pistol in a holster attached to the belt. I think he knows, even though he's never asked.

When Dr. Jellyfinger asks, the answer should be "No, I don't have a single firearm".
Having more than one prevents that from being a lie...

 

[powdahound76]

Which one of you sick buggers asked for 3 fingers beside A1?
He doesnt even have a prostate and still goes in for checks 4x a year........

what was this thread about?..

 

[Dirty D]

Which one of you sick buggers asked for 3 fingers beside A1?
He doesnt even have a prostate and still goes in for checks 4x a year........

what was this thread about?..

The fact that 1J goes for his check at the Blue Oyster bar is none of your damn business!

 

[pmclaine]

I just don't fill out the extra BS paperwork or leave the irrelevant questions blank.

If they press Ill ask them to fill out same.

After all if they are going to check your prostate who is more vulnerable at that moment in time?

I have a right to know who Dr fat Fingers is and truth be told they know more about us than we do them and it shouldn't be that way.

 

[Dirty D]

My dr asked me this question and I asked why and he gave a bs answer about safety and I pointed out the probability of dying by firearm vs dying by medical malpractice and told him that drs should focus on cleaning up their own house before they go poking into mine, he never asked again.

 

[j-huskey]

Top 10 xauses of death in the US. CDC
#1 Cardiovascular disease....
#10 suicide.
2-9 are not firearm....

World Health Org.
#1. Cardiovascular disease.
#10. Automotive.
2-9 again, not firearm.

Those two organizations fail to include medical malpractice deaths.
Other sources however ALL place med malpractice deaths above firearm, generally 3rd, 5th, or 6th in relation to the above listings....
With firearm deaths generally in the 15th range areas.
Doctor way more dangerous that gun in house.

 

[Srgt. Hulka]

Years ago, my doctor and I stood in the same line to buy ammo that was on sale. I think he knows.

 

[craigos]

I have been asked that question and the answer is not "None of your business." The answer is "no I do not own any guns." How do you think the data base will organize the data? The people who decline to answer will be put at the top of the list. You are under no lawful obligation to tell your Doctor the truth and this is not about your health.

Answering that way, without any communication to the doctor you dont appreciate he/she sticking their nose where it doesnt belong is simple compliance - lets not be sheep. Tell them to fuck off.

 

[Maggot]

My std MD ask this years ago, to which I ask him if he was a pedophile..

For the win.

 

[johnnycat]

In our office I know our nurses have to ask this question and the one about feeling safe, etc. [As an aside, best story I heard pertaining to this is when one of our blonde nurses asked a local inmate if he felt safe in his environment!]

I'm not sure who is responsible for that being asked - it isn't the doctors because we never look at that stuff anyway. It's likely a Medicare requirement.

At any rate, while I did have some as swipe attendings give us antigun tirades during medical school, the vast majority of docs in my locale are avid shooters. I even wear my NRA lapel pin on my white coat.

So if asked that question myself I would probably either refuse to answer or claim none. Although it is entered into some medical record I'm not sure how it could be used to compile a database or list *YET*. Our records don't seem to be searchable for stuff that's actually relevant so I doubt firearm ownership could really be gleaned from those records.

 

[Mike_Honcho]

Couple thoughts

A) Most folks are poorly educated about the Business of Medicine - including the docs
B) Conversations with docs tend to go best when the consumer has a level of education about the potential solutions to the problem, asks intelligent questions, seeks second opinions, and shops the service.
C) It’s a business. You’'re a consumer. The doc is a vendor. You need to remind them that business is conducted when buyer and seller agree on price and terms.

 

[vh20]

My Internist uses my private steel target pistol range to practice and take his sons out to shoot. But then again, they've never asked me that question either. I would still answer "No" if they did. Refusing to answer, or telling them it's none of their business is the same as answering "Yes."

 

[Bryan W M]

I was asked once, said no but I do have a chainsaw, saw zaw, miter box saw, circular saw, and oh does 2 nail guns count?? She just laughed and said no

 

[johnnycat]

Couple thoughts

C) It’s a business. You’'re a consumer. The doc is a vendor. You need to remind them that business is conducted when buyer and seller agree on price and terms.

Yes it is a business, and if you are paying out of pocket yourself then buyer and seller can agree to terms. If you are not paying directly out of pocket, then someone else is - Medicare, Medicaid, or an insurance company. And then it is not you who are the consumer - it's whoever is actually paying and they have their own set of rules.

But to be honest, it's Medicare that actually drives the regulations. To be accredited for Medicare you must agree to a host of regulations which make no sense, because a bureaucrat with no medical knowledge made the rules. Actually it is not Medicare itself but CMS and "Joint Commission" which accredits the institutions, but in the end it's Medicare. You don't have have Medicare? It doesn't matter because Medicare demands that all patients are treated the same whether they have medicare or not. So you are subjected to their policies whether you like it or not.

Elections have consequences.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

I am paying out of pocket, THEY stick their hand in my pocket every month an TELL ME what I have to pay. Who is the slave here? The thing most forget is in every class there are graduates that are in the top 50% an bottom 50% yet most never seem to care where the person that's treating them placed. There is a first place an last place person in every class meeting the minimum requirements to become whatever. Yet the sheep still seat in the office/waiting room chair with their heads in their phones thinking all is well. The herd mentality rolls on.

 

[j-huskey]

I am paying out of pocket, THEY stick their hand in my pocket every month an TELL ME what I have to pay. Who is the slave here? The thing most forget is in every class there are graduates that are in the top 50% an bottom 50% yet most never seem to care where the person that's treating them placed. There is a first place an last place person in every class meeting the minimum requirements to become whatever. Yet the sheep still seat in the office/waiting room chair with their heads in their phones thinking all is well. The herd mentality rolls on.

Yes, graduate 50 of the class of 50, who had the "I barely passed by .50 of one point above failing" is called Doctor...... and practicing medicine. note the word "practicing".....
I'm really glad it's not worse, because I know it could be.

 

[TBFM]

Funny that when the ER Doc was removing splash 9mm fragments from my friends arm he never asked if he had guns at home.......

 

[hankpac]

This is actually somewhat old news. About 15 or 20 years ago, we started hearing about this as a Public Health measure the generalists could contribute to. "To make a difference". At the time, while we were still confidential, but before HPPA, We were supposed to compile numbers (but "not names"). That last sort of squidged out later, but there came more and more pressure to start asking the question, with followup questions like "Is it secured? Are there children in the home?" That coupled with the continuing questioning about "Are you subject to physical, sexual or mental abuse" (which at least has some legitimacy) seems to set up a loaded situation, for the patient.
I never asked the firearms question, never documented it. Never regretted it.

 

[Maggot]

Yes, graduate 50 of the class of 50, who had the "I barely passed by .50 of one point above failing" is called Doctor...... and practicing medicine. note the word "practicing".....
I'm really glad it's not worse, because I know it could be.

in med school the saying is

C+=MD

 

[ACK]

I was at the local rifle range when my Dr. ran into me. He was zeroing the iron sights on an AR and had forgotten his front sight tool. Never asked whether I had any weapons, however he did asked about rifle optics.

Ran into him at a local restaurant known for ribs, he doesn't lecture me on eating habits.

He can be quite blunt, he just told me you are old, take the cholesterol and high blood pressure medications, you are no longer able to manage it with exercise and restricted diets...then he started talking about sporting clays....