Sidearms & Scatterguns Backpacking Handgun

mountainman308

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Recently I have taken up hiking in remote areas of the West Virginian and Virginian back country. I have also realized that my current carry rig, a 1911 in an IWB holster is incredibly uncomfortable to hike with, especially when wearing a pack. I have resolved the method of carry issue with a Hill People Recon bag. Now the problem is, do I keep my 1911 in it, or go with a bit bigger gun, now that I have more room and don't have to worry about printing through clothing? What do you all think?
Criteria:
Must be an automatic pistol or 8 shot revolver.
Minimum caliber: 357 or 10mm.
Must have a rail to accommodate a light/laser
Budget: $700 +- 10%
I have been thinking about a Glock 20. Any experience with this model would be greatly appreciated.
 
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I'd stick with the 1911. You can get it in 10mm also. The buttons and switches are different on Glocks and 1911's as you know...what can cause trouble if you get used to the Glock and forget the safety lever under stress when you are carrying the 1911. Habit patterns are hard to change. JMHO
 
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If you have to stick with all your criteria then the Glock 20 fits the bill. Not sure why you would want a bigger gun than a 1911, seems heavy and completely unnecessary.

If you're open to other suggestions then I'd look at the Ruger LCR in 357 with Crimson Trace grips. Just cause you can carry a big bulky gun doesn't mean you need to. The LCR has some serious advantages for hiking. Let's say you're walking along the trail, you see a goofy looking out of place character ahead, simply slip your hands into your coat pockets to keep them warm while grasping the LCR and having the ability to fire 1 or more shots from your pocket should the need arise. The goofball is none the wiser if he means you no harm and you've given yourself more options than a full size pistol in a bag.
 
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I carry my J frame S&W with crimson trace all the time backpacking and running etc.

In big bear country I carry the 44 version.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: over_watch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I carry my J frame S&W with crimson trace all the time backpacking and running etc.
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How do you carry while running? What holster?
 
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Can't do much better than a Glock 20. Light weight, Magnum penetration, high firepower, durable as hell. ten thousand holsters to choose from, I'm picking one up myself for the same reason I am just waiting for the Gen 4 to hit the stores (BTW it was announced just a little while ago).
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: over_watch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I carry my J frame S&W with crimson trace all the time backpacking and running etc.
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How do you carry while running? What holster? </div></div>

Nathan Gel runners waist pack

http://www.amazon.com/Nathan-4818-Gel-Waist-Pack/dp/B000PH77CM/ref=pd_sim_sg_1
 
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Jason, when I was referring to a bigger gun, I was referring more to the caliber and power than to the size of the actual frame. I should have made that more clear. The LCR and the J frame look like solid choices, I just wish they had a bit more capacity.
 
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The Gel runners pack works great. you can actually fit a G19 in it and zip it most of the way.

I went to this because the drop leg holster was chaffing on long sweaty runs.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mountainman308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Criteria:
Must be an automatic pistol or 8 shot revolver.
Minimum caliber: 357 or 10mm.
Must have a rail to accommodate a light/laser
Budget: $700 +- 10%
I have been thinking about a Glock 20. Any experience with this model would be greatly appreciated.
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I've got a glock 20, and it's a lot of firepower, but I wouldn't consider it to be lightweight for packpacking.
Considered a GLock 29?
CW
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mountainman308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jason, when I was referring to a bigger gun, I was referring more to the caliber and power than to the size of the actual frame. I should have made that more clear. The LCR and the J frame look like solid choices, I just wish they had a bit more capacity. </div></div>

I hear ya on capacity but really if you can't get out of a bad situation with 5 rounds of 38/357 until you can reload you prolly fucked anyway. In an everyday civilian role anyways.
 
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situational awareness will be more effective than bullets in avoiding conflict with a momma bear. Black bears are just no that aggressive
 
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Your criteria pretty much narrows it down to the G20, G29 or the Smith 8 shot .357 revolver. They make one with a rail, and I think it is in scandium too, so should be very light.

I have a G20, a G29 and a Smith 1006. I love my 10's, such a flexible and fun round. No rail on the 1006, but it is the tank of 10mm's and can handle stiffer loads, like nuclear-load 200gr. Hornady XTP's and FMJ's, if that is what you want. In terms of weight, they are all kind of heavy for hiking pistols in my opinion. But since I carry a G29 or G27 most of the time in a Milt Sparks VM2, I tend to just carry the G29.

If you are looking for a new backpacking or hiking handgun, I'd recommend (and plan on getting, based on experience) the Smith 329. .44mag/.44Spcl., 6 shot, no rail, but scandium and titanium and light as hell. Considering you'll likely never NEED it, the weight is a huge consideration. I'll certainly be getting one of these in the future for just this.

So yeah, I'd go for a scandium/titanium Smith revolver were I you. I love my 10's, but weight is a bigger consideration when hiking.

Also, considering humans are your biggest threat (bear spray works great on black bears and I suspect wolves too) your 1911 is probably just fine if you feel comfortable with it and it is reliable. My buddy, he carries a Beretta 9mm Vertec.
 
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One question Strykervet, how well do the glocks handle the 200gn skull spliters? I have heard tell that the 1006 eats them for breakfast, but it can shake loose other pistol's innards. Is this true for the Glock 20 and 29?
Futhermore, the 329 is a touch out of my price range, as far as I can tell. Also, they seem to have a more than insignificant trend of Catastrophic Failure, if the forums are to be believed.
The R8 though, that does look bad ass. Now if only Santa will bring me $400 extra for that wheel gun.
 
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It amazes me, how people read someone's question, and then spew some garbage out of their mouth and deviate with an obviously unhelpful and wrong answer.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Strykervet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Your criteria pretty much narrows it down to the G20, G29 or the Smith 8 shot .357 revolver.

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Wrong. The S&W 325 Thunder Ranch, 327 R8 and 327 TRR8 do NOT fit his criteria, they are $1300 guns. None of S&W's factory railed revolvers fit his criteria.

Even then, you're going to have a hell of a time finding another 8-shot revolver, typical N frames are 6 shots, the 686 Plus is only a 7 shot and still past your budget. S&W 8 shots like the 325/327/627 series are too expensive, and no one else really has anything in that market.

The only other one I know of is the Taurus 608. You can get Rugers with 8 shots, but only up to a 327 Magnum, which is a considerably weaker cartridge but great for small frames.

If he wants a revolver with his criteria, the only way to go is get the Taurus 608, and pay a gunsmith to add a permament/screw in rail mount. (People do it all the time with more valuable guns, like S&W 686s)


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: over_watch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">if you can't get out of a bad situation with 5 rounds of 38/357 until you can reload you prolly fucked anyway. In an everyday civilian role anyways. </div></div>

Why do so many ____ people think this? Problems don't always just have 1 individual, what if he has multiple targets? Putting 5 rounds among 3 targets is cutting it close for 99% of shooters. Even 5 shots for 2 targets is less than ideal execution for most tactical doctrine amongst experienced folks.


Assuming that when he said .357 he meant Magnum and not Sig, his options with his criteria set are all the various duty style guns (Glocks/M&Ps/XDs/CZs/etc) chambered in 10mm or 45ACP, or one of many various 1911s.

<span style="color: #3333FF">Are you not considering double stack 1911s for some reason? That's the obvious answer here.</span>

They fit all your criteria as well, and being a 1911 shooter you're probably going to be familiar with and fond of the design already. That way you can also get your high capacity (14 rounds of 45ACP size cartridges, 16 rounds of 40/357 size cartridges)


As for the rail mounted accessory, an extended light/laser is the right answer for a striker fired gun, if you don't choose a 1911 or other slide-locking safety design.

Since you're not worried about size, don't even consider one of those micro/mini/compact light/lasers. With the intended scenario being possible animal attack, out of battery trigger disconnect needs to be prevented in case of physical contact or problems getting the gun out of the bag/fanny pack/holster/etc.
 
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easy super pro mall ninja, the dude is talking about backpacking in the mountains of WV not the city streets of Detroit...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: over_watch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">easy super pro mall ninja, the dude is talking about backpacking in the mountains of WV not the city streets of Detroit...

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True, that particular part was more for you.

You're the one who branched out and mentioned "typical civilian roles". Typical civilian roles involve streets and other people.
 
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Azprc, what’s the price tag on that build. I have shot the 460 Rowland a good bit, but was unaware of an inexpensive model.
Kswift, I did in fact mean 357 mag. I had written off double stack 1911s (I have heard them referred to as 2011s) as being out of the budget. Do you know of any that are within my price point? I was also considering a striker fired gun because there is nothing to get between the striker and the firing pin, as could happen with a hammer fired 1911. Furthermore, do you have a preferred brand of extended light/laser?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mountainman308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Kswift, I did in fact mean 357 mag. I had written off double stack 1911s (I have heard them referred to as 2011s) as being out of the budget. Do you know of any that are within my price point? </div></div>

Not all double stack 1911s are 2011s. A 2011 is a particular branding, just like not all plastic guns are Glocks anymore. Non-2011 ones are made by Rock Island, American Tactical, Umarex, Springfield Armory, Para Ordnance, etc.

The cheapest double stack 1911s begin at about $500, and there are many nicer ones underneath your budget limit. Most of them are not railed, and will require an aftermarket rail mount. (Not very expensive at all)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was also considering a striker fired gun because there is nothing to get between the striker and the firing pin, as could happen with a hammer fired 1911. Furthermore, do you have a preferred brand of extended light/laser?
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While that can happen, it is much less likely for something to block the hammer than it is for something to put the slide out of battery.

If an animal falls on you or, more likely, you find yourself not having enough time to draw and need to shoot THROUGH your bag/backpack/etc, a typical striker fired gun will go out of battery and not fire when the slide is pushed on from the front at all. A slide locking safety design like the 1911 can be shot even when pushing directly and held up against something.

If you want a non-slide locking design, the standoff distance of an extended light that ends farther PAST your slide & barrel will hit the wall/backpack/animal/etc first, keeping the gun in battery and being able to fire.

I'm a big fan of Streamlights, you can get them with just lights or combination light & laser, and the full size models (TLR-1 and TLR-2), extend past the slide on most guns. Streamlights are excellent quality and can also have a strobing feature, which can be very useful. Most other brands don't include the strobe.

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How does the glock handle them Turbo? Any loosening of parts, signs of over pressure, or case deformation? I can see where the 23 lb recoil spring would help.
Kswift, thanks for the info, I'll take it into consideration.
 
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i think you need a new holster not necessarily a new gun.

I have a 5.5" G20 I have been using recently in a Bianchi black widow.
Carried external to the pant's waist with a Cabelas Last Chance nylon cam belt. Comfortable and maneuverable when one has added pack and rifle. Same rig with a 5" Colt Delta Elite.
 
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That looks awesome Azprc, but the problem is that my 1911 is a bushingless Kimber 4 in. Damn, so close to a great solution, the break would even have solved the contact firing problem brought up by Kswift. Here is an idea, a double stack 1911 with the conversion to 460 rowland. That would be something!
 
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I have both .45 and a 460 Rowland 1911. Love them but they are far too heavy for me to want to carry them as a dedicated backpacking pistol. For me its a 329pd but it's outside your criteria. We backpack shaving as many ounces as possible and for that reason neither of my 1911's get use when I'm backpacking. Your choice of a HPG chest bag is the same as me and if I am hiking vs really backpacking with 3-4 days of gear on my back I will choose a 1911. 460 if in bear country and .45acp otherwise.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mountainman308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How does the glock handle them Turbo? Any loosening of parts, signs of over pressure, or case deformation? I can see where the 23 lb recoil spring would help.
Kswift, thanks for the info, I'll take it into consideration. </div></div>

With the heavier duty spring, G20s and G29s handle full power (+) loads just fine, though I consider the brass from the really stout loads to be trash. The case is not totally supported, and develops a "Glock smile" from very stout loads.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: over_watch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">easy super pro mall ninja, the dude is talking about backpacking in the mountains of WV not the city streets of Detroit...

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I drive through and work in Detroit on a daily basis.

I also spent a year in a less than desirable area of West Virginia.

From personal experience, I don't feel comfortable in either place without plenty of gun.

But then again, I'm not a "mall ninja".
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