BadgeCam from the Weezer Wife Shooting

[BurtG]

And yeah when they don’t don’t follow the minor laws it leads to issues.
As shown :

Broken window" policing is a strategy based on the theory that addressing minor offenses like vandalism and public disorder can reduce more serious crime by creating a sense of order and lawfulness. It involves targeting minor infractions and enforcing laws to restore order in a neighborhood. This theory was popularized in New York City in the 1990s by Police Commissioner William Bratto

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Bad plumbers don’t stop other plumbers and homeowners from fixing leaks that are killing their children

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But when this is all it takes to make them cower and hide

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Imagine if they faced competent trained threats.

Think about that cop that tried to rescue his wife and kid in that school. He goes to work everyday with his buddies that disarmed him and removed him from the school. I wonder if he gets invited to the cookouts and other get togethers. Does he invite them over for dinner with his family?

 

[roostercogburn98]

You want me to come in the pit and clean it then there will be maybe 10 posts

Being kinda modest with that statement I think

 

[Skunk]

She had every right to be outside. But, the decision to be there was not a wise one.

By going outside to protect the stubby yard her chihuahua drops its tootsie rolls in, she encountered a group of people as unsure of her identity/intent as she was about theirs. They exchanged pleasantries and then gunfire. She got hit.

If protecting her home was her objective, she also gave up any tactical advantage she would’ve had by remaining in the house. She put herself on even ground with the “bad guys,” whoever they were.

She then gets her one wit about her and goes back inside, calls 9-1-1 and then, in another death-defying act of brilliance, goes back outside to where the people who already shot her still are? She literally calls 9-1-1 and acknowledges she’s been shot and then goes back outside to end up proned-out on the street in cuffs.

The results of her actions should have proven to her, and readers here, that she made bad decisions. She was an idiot, within her rights.

She’s the rock-a-billy version of this chick…

 

[nagantguy]

I am actually surprised at the amount of folk especially here that think shooting people in their own yard over a fence that have done nothing wrong is just fine . Public schools have done a wonderful job indoctrinating sheep to comply

 

[diverdon]

Whatever your point of view you should know that if ever you find yourself in a situation where a police officer is ordering you to drop something then drop it.

If she did not know they were police, sucks to be her.

As armed citizens you should err on the side of not involving yourself in active police matters. The danger of confused misunderstanding is too great.

 

[diverdon]

I am actually surprised at the amount of folk especially here that think shooting people in their own yard over a fence that have done nothing wrong is just fine . Public schools have done a wonderful job indoctrinating sheep to comply

No it's not fine. But you have to know that should you a police order to drop a gun then they will shoot you. Only TV cops engage in lengthy verbal discourse while weapons are pointed at each other.

 

[nagantguy]

No it's not fine. But you have to know that should you a police order to drop a gun then they will shoot you. Only TV cops engage in lengthy verbal discourse while weapons are pointed at each other.

On the other side of a fence - on one’s own property- not engaged in any crime . Sounds totally reasonable.
And let’s not forget the person they were actually looking for ran from a traffic accident, not running amok with machine guns and flaming machetes. So I don’t understand being so quick on the trigger

 

[kalashnikev]

…and stay in yer haus.

...even safer if you hide under the bed.

...even safer than that if you lock yourself in the bathroom. No windows, correct?

But wait- why do we have to hide from the people we pay to ostensibly "Protect & Serve" or enforce our laws (but not prevent crime) so that they don't murder us in our own backyards for simply totin' the Glock, protecting the block?

How lucky for the Criminal being pursued too- that their main objective for the day was to kill an American, and they were willing to walk away from their Law Enforcement duties to provoke a situation and get a chance to live their dream.

Bad plumbers get sued out of business / become uninsurable. Etc.

It's also SUPER INTERESTING that we have a huge problem in this country in that our Plumbing is not professionalized, and by and large is not standards-and-discipline based.

When faced with these Organized Crime Syndicates... errrrr... "Government Employee Unions" we fold every time, because the Gov negotiators on the side of the people have nothing to lose by constantly removing accountability and constantly increasing rewards.

So we found ourselves in a situation- How do we stop widespread misconduct?

I KNOW! Someone in the room said... if I had a camera watching me at work, I wouldn't do any misconduct, because it would be recorded!

BUT WAIT... how do you record Plumbers all over the town?

Force them to wear the cameras- and now that they know they are being recorded, they will cease all misconduct to avoid speedy conviction and (in the worst cases) long prison sentences.

But the cameras didn't stop misconduct, they merely documented misconduct. Standards are prevented from being applied, and so now you can watch 24 hours plus of blood boiling misconduct online. Stuff that will make you pause the vid and look up the outcome- which is usually further enraging.

...and then Plumbers go online and cry about being disrespected as an occupation.

Think about that cop that tried to rescue his wife and kid in that school. He goes to work everyday with his buddies that disarmed him and removed him from the school. I wonder if he gets invited to the cookouts and other get togethers. Does he invite them over for dinner with his family?

That is wild stuff.

Nobody can say how they would react until they are in that (exact) situation themselves, but I hope I would have the impulse to shoot my way in, provide service, and get the hell out, and if my "buddies" want to shoot back at any time at least I died trying.

...and now I feel weird because, why wouldn't anyone do exactly that for anyone's kids when faced with that situation?

Forget about they-didn't? Would I? Would you?

Unfortunately, you can almost bank on LEO response being unprofessional and incompetent these days... and so must we do everything ourselves?

She then gets her one wit about her and goes back inside, calls 9-1-1 and then, in another death-defying act of brilliance, goes back outside to where the people who already shot her still are? She literally calls 9-1-1 and acknowledges she’s been shot and then goes back outside to end up proned-out on the street in cuffs.

From the portion of the call that was published, it seems that she believed right up until the end that the Police were there to help.

She didn't actually think that real Police would break off the chase and start playing Simon-Says trying to set her up for a sport kill

Remember Daniel Shaver?

Don't Move. Put your hands on your head. Don't move. Get on your knees. Walk on your knees towards me. Don't Mo....

BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!

I saw him move.

 

[nagantguy]

I haven’t seen any recent footage of CHP’s shooting it out with MS-13 but a lady in her own yard they jerk them smoke wagons and got to work and even through a fence managed to hit her

 

[748rpilot]

If she just didn't own a gun at all --that tool to protect We The People from a tyrannical government-- those Government agents may not have shot her!

 

[kalashnikev]

She’s the rock-a-billy version of this chick…

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The McCloskeys. They should have maintained muzzle and trigger discipline and they would have been heroes.

Not a perfectly analogous scenario either, because there was that issue of... they happen to uniquely own, collectively, the sidewalk in that gated community, but can an individual homeowner restrict access to the collectively owned sidewalk?

Many here would have hoped that they stayed inside and locked themselves inside their King Louis Armoire:

Justifying his threats to a local news station, Mark McCloskey explained: “I really thought it was [a] storming of the Bastille.” (The analogy was apt for multiple reasons: The couple’s home features an antique “standing man” French armoire, so named for its ability to hide a member of the aristocracy during the Reign of Terror.)

This lady was more in the right though.

 

[BurtG]

she encountered a group of people as unsure

Much professional

 

[kalashnikev]

If she just didn't own a gun at all --that tool to protect We The People from a tyrannical government-- those Government agents may not have shot her!

They might still shoot her if the Reign of Terror found her making spaghetti.

Ostensibly, because preparing spaghetti involves boiling water, and that boiling water may perhaps be used to burn a member of the law enforcement class, believe it or not.... BULLET TO THE HEAD.

Me, personally? I rebuke that "officer" in the name of Jesus.

And again... I'm just not sure why any of this is tolerated.

Why is it tolerated? I have no good reason to do so, myself.

 

[Skunk]

...even safer if you hide under the bed.

...even safer than that if you lock yourself in the bathroom. No windows, correct?

Nah, bathrooms ain’t so guud. Remember the Bates Motel?

 

[37L1]

They might still shoot her if the Reign of Terror found her making spaghetti.

Ostensibly, because preparing spaghetti involves boiling water, and that boiling water may perhaps be used to burn a member of the law enforcement class, believe it or not.... BULLET TO THE HEAD.

Me, personally? I rebuke that "officer" in the name of Jesus.

And again... I'm just not sure why any of this is tolerated.

Why is it tolerated? I have no good reason to do so, myself.

What are you doing about it? I mean besides "venting" in the Bear Pit?

Seems to me that you are "tolerating" despite your protestations otherwise.

Just another old bag of wind, AKA troll.

"Let's see. What outrageous and ridiculous crap can I post today to rile people up?"

 

[kalashnikev]

What are you doing about it? I mean besides "venting" in the Bear Pit?
Seems to me that you are "tolerating" despite your protestations otherwise.

LOL.

I'm discussing in a discussion forum- It is, in fact, YOU who are a bag-of-wind troll.

Although you did contribute something to the discussion- at least indirectly: You tolerate it.

Very cool.

NEXT........

 

[Skunk]

Much professional

The dispatcher should be charged with Attempted First Degree Assassination for sending coppers out there in the first place.

 

[Inifinty]

California Coppers should have offered Karen and her tattoos one of their blunts and a wine cooler from over the fence to deescalate.

Jesus is going have a heyday cleaning up this planet.

Soup to Nuts.

 

[BurtG]

Remember Daniel Shaver?

Don't Move. Put your hands on your head. Don't move. Get on your knees. Walk on your knees towards me. Don't Mo....

BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!

I saw him move.

And then after the dust died down , they rehired him for a day. So he could disability retire. So the tax payers get yet another leech in society. He was in his 20s

 

[BurtG]

The McCloskeys. They should have maintained muzzle and trigger discipline and they would have been heroes.

People should have used pellet guns or .22s with well hidden hides and pelted those rioters as they tried to go to nice areas


That’s what our benevolent dictators do

 

[Fig]

Thank God they can’t shoot worth a damn, fence cover, no stress and they nick her shoulder. She was lucky. Question being, where did the rounds go.

Fence concealment (not even that).

 

[kalashnikev]

And then after the dust died down , they rehired him for a day. So he could disability retire. So the tax payers get yet another leech in society. He was in his 20s

I was told that the responding "officer" was in extra trouble because the he was a wee-man who had installed the "YOU'RE FUCKED" dustcover and went around all day with his eyepro on shit-talking folks and trying to get to the top of the EOF ladder.

People should have used pellet guns or .22s with well hidden hides and pelted those rioters as they tried to go to nice areas


That’s what our benevolent dictators do

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Dickshots too.

I guess any old firearm can qualify as a "weapon" if the target is noncombatant civilians living in a Concentration Camp.

You don't even need to keep a round in the chamber.

 

[Fig]

If you are trying to have a logical conversation with rational people about police behavior, the pit isn't the place. Hell SH isn't the place. The pit is overrun with the acab crowd, and they don't require logic or critical thought to form their opinions. The good folks on this site have abandoned the fight and just put them on ignore, (my ignore list is long, and soon the mouth breathers will be battering me, but I can't hear their mouth breathing commentary). There is no point in trying to have a logical discussion about it, because they are the emotional equivalent of a purple haired anti-gun lesbian bookstore co-owner, but they just happen to own guns. They are failed humans, pathetic people, and they will drag you into the dumpster they live in and say senseless shit for days. They have nothing better to do. Just put them on ignore and go on about your day. It's better this way.

I think "the cops are always right" crowd balances out the "cops are always wrong" crowd. All it takes is one intelligent post to prove a point.

There's a legal term called, "Hot Pursuit" that comes into effect when the cops have a bead on the perp, and are actively chasing him. When they're in this condition they can pretty much trespass and break normal ROE to apprehend the perp. The cops are ALWAYS "looking" for perps. They don't have the free reign of "Hot Pursuit" unless they've identified him and are actively pursuing.

I don't know why the woman wouldn't comply, but clearly she was aware of a bad guy on her property/in the vicinity, and may have just been scared out of her wits. One her own property is the most salient fact. The police may have been looking for a bad guy, but they're always looking for bad guys, and that doesn't mean they can break the law to look.

It't a tough job, and many of those who do it aren't cut out for it, or do it for all the wrong reasons, and that's just the way it is. They also don't suddenly become a different animal and not subject to group think when in packs and under pressure. I think alot of what went on there was that they were so amped up and feeding off each other's fear that they also couldn't think straight. Don't tell you've never seen this, because I know I have, which is why there is rank and leadership.

 

[kalashnikev]

There's a legal term called, "Hot Pursuit" that comes into effect ....

Close- it's not "Hot Pursuit" but "exigent circumstance," legally.

It comes into play when you are preventing imminent harm, i.e, smash a window, throw in a smoke bomb, enter the house and... Oh, look- DRUGS! when you were obviously entering to save the occupants from a fire. Damn kids.

Preventing the destruction of evidence, i.e. twist a girls arm until it pops because it's glued to her phone... which might possibly perhaps contain evidence.

In hot pursuit, as you said, however- a specific suspect in a specific area. This was important in the Tsarnaev/ Boston Bombing attack when they used it as an excuse to bring a reign of terror on a wealthy and educated enclave.

To prevent escape, i.e. a guy more than likely just shot his wife and you shoot him in the back or light up his car because he maybe might be a random spree killer en route to the next target... or maybe you pay some crackie to smash a windshield and then run into a certain house and... Oh, look- DRUGS!

 

[nagantguy]

I still be more willing to cut some slack and offer the benefit of doubt when I see them in mass getting g trigger happy with the real bad guys instead of issuing them a blanket pass or huddling out side for 77 minutes.

This rash of abuse and death on ladies kids and the elderly- hell I post 6-8 of the worst a week here .

Notice not once post about massive shoot out with cartel members- cause I can’t find them

 

[nagantguy]

Maybe if we incentivize gunning down the worst of the worst - like with free pizza and target gift cards or paid days off .
But unlike the dui for profit thing currently rocking the nation they would actually have to be the worst of the worst - murderers rapists kiddie fiddlers . Pretty much anyone with Murder Rape Kill tattooed on their neck and of face .

 

[Skunk]

Maybe if we incentivize gunning down the worst of the worst - like with free pizza and target gift cards or paid days off .
But unlike the dui for profit thing currently rocking the nation they would actually have to be the worst of the worst - murderers rapists kiddie fiddlers . Pretty much anyone with Murder Rape Kill tattooed on their neck and of face .

Vigilantism for the win.

 

[Makinchips208]

Close- it's not "Hot Pursuit" but "exigent circumstance," legally.

It comes into play when you are preventing imminent harm, i.e, smash a window, throw in a smoke bomb, enter the house and... Oh, look- DRUGS! when you were obviously entering to save the occupants from a fire. Damn kids.

Preventing the destruction of evidence, i.e. twist a girls arm until it pops because it's glued to her phone... which might possibly perhaps contain evidence.

In hot pursuit, as you said, however- a specific suspect in a specific area. This was important in the Tsarnaev/ Boston Bombing attack when they used it as an excuse to bring a reign of terror on a wealthy and educated enclave.

To prevent escape, i.e. a guy more than likely just shot his wife and you shoot him in the back or light up his car because he maybe might be a random spree killer en route to the next target... or maybe you pay some crackie to smash a windshield and then run into a certain house and... Oh, look- DRUGS!

Why dont you run for sheriff? Clean up the corrupt department?

 

[kalashnikev]

Notice not once post about massive shoot out with cartel members- cause I can’t find them

If there was no nexus to a famous person, and nobody ever asked for the BadgeCam footage, and no surveillance cameras on the house, this never would have been in the news... even if they did successfully kill her.

...and that "officer" would be going to weekend Cop BBQs for as long as he wants to keep working, and not claim full mental insanity from PTSD on the sport kill he orchestrated and executed.

Over the years the story would grow until a mom in her backyard defending her home and family, turned into a tatooed Narco Queenpin former international prostitute living in an eccentric mansion, bought with her ill gotten gains from acid drum body disposal, who opened up with an RPK from a sandbagged fighting position on this brave Officer of the Law who was already in Jack Bauer-esque pursuit of another major Terrorist, when he was forced to leap 8 feet in the air and climb up on a wobbly carport to dispatch her with a single well placed round through the firing port of the bunker in her and her kid's vegetable garden.

 

[nagantguy]

Vigilantism for the win.

How would police shooting the worst criminals be anything resembling vigilantism?

We know incentives spark quotas met - a few thousand fake DUI arrests across multiple states in just over 2 years - so I’d offer up free pizza if they left the woman kids and elderly alone and gunned for the bad guys . Figured you’d agree with that .

 

[BurtG]

Vigilantism for the win.

Then you guys devote every resource to catching the “vigilante”

Cant have people making you look bad and having others realize we don’t need you

 

[BurtG]

What are you doing about it? I mean besides "venting" in the Bear Pit?

You work for us. You are literally our servants.

But we see what you do when we bitch about other corrupt gov parasites. Example school board meetings. Charge us with disorderly. Have the fbi investigate us.

 

[BurtG]

All you cops standing up for all the crap

Just shows you ALL are bad.

 

[Skunk]

How would police shooting the worst criminals be anything resembling vigilantism?

We know incentives spark quotas met - a few thousand fake DUI arrests across multiple states in just over 2 years - so I’d offer up free pizza if they left the woman kids and elderly alone and gunned for the bad guys . Figured you’d agree with that .

I’m saying if we had enough good vigilantes around, taking action instead of pontificating in forums, we wouldn’t need no stinkin’ cops.

 

[Makinchips208]

You work for us. You are literally our servants.

Ackchyually, they are 100% not your servants. Nor do they technically work for you. You see your state has a constitution, within that state constitution there is probably provision for the county to have a police department, funded by tax dollars, and the leader is elected by you people.

The guys doing the taxing and such are also probably elected by you people.

The state police, also probably provided for in the state constitution, are probably led by a person that is appointed by the governor, who you people elected.

All the guys getting hired by these police departments are just a sampling of all you people. Some good some bad. But they are obviously not your servants, even if they use the slogan, to protect and serve.

But you hopefully can see that the root cause is that our society is thoroughly messed up. When the lawless are in the majority, look out!

But carry on, the constitution also allows you to speak your mind, as can i.

 

[BurtG]

the guys getting hired by these police departments are just a sampling of all you people

100% not

Bullies , bullied and other assorted psychopaths that like to control and fuck with people are drawn to the “profession”

About the same as saying broadway actors are a cross section of society

 

[BurtG]

ckchyually, they are 100% not your servants. Nor do they technically work for you. You see your state has a constitution, within that state constitution there is probably provision for the county to have a police department, funded by tax dollars, and the leader is elected by you people.

And as a reminder. We pay your check. Period

 

[Makinchips208]

And as a reminder. We pay your check. Period

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Maybe you write somebody's check, but you don't pay my check. Lol. Im a chisel sharpener, or so my brother calls me.

 

[hlee]

I’m saying if we had enough good vigilantes around, taking action instead of pontificating in forums, we wouldn’t need no stinkin’ cops.

The FBI is 2 weeks… “The vigilante was on our radar…”

 

[nagantguy]

I’m saying if we had enough good vigilantes around, taking action instead of pontificating in forums, we wouldn’t need no stinkin’ cops.

Then who would shoot the mentally handicapped and ladies standing in their yards , over a fence?

 

[Skunk]

Then who would shoot the mentally handicapped and ladies standing in their yards , over a fence?

Vigilantes who are tall enough to see over the fence! Duh!

 

[sloporsche]

she choose poorly.....end of report

 

[hlee]

Yeah, when crazy comes knocking, tell it that nobody is home through the ring door camera. Never invite crazy into your life. That includes going outside to meet it.

 

[Makinchips208]

Yeah, when crazy comes knocking, tell it that nobody is home through the ring door camera. Never invite crazy into your life. That includes going outside to meet it.

That advice would also fit well over in the “looking for a wife” thread.

 

[XP1K]

Think about that cop that tried to rescue his wife and kid in that school. He goes to work everyday with his buddies that disarmed him and removed him from the school. I wonder if he gets invited to the cookouts and other get togethers. Does he invite them over for dinner with his family?

Damn. I had forgotten about that one. I don't think I'd be a cop anymore after that.

I do remember the guy checking his socials while peeking around the corner though.

Ackchyually, they are 100% not your servants. Nor do they technically work for you. You see your state has a constitution, within that state constitution there is probably provision for the county to have a police department, funded by tax dollars, and the leader is elected by you people.

The guys doing the taxing and such are also probably elected by you people.

The state police, also probably provided for in the state constitution, are probably led by a person that is appointed by the governor, who you people elected.

All the guys getting hired by these police departments are just a sampling of all you people. Some good some bad. But they are obviously not your servants, even if they use the slogan, to protect and serve.

But you hopefully can see that the root cause is that our society is thoroughly messed up. When the lawless are in the majority, look out!

But carry on, the constitution also allows you to speak your mind, as can i.

Government is only a reflection of the people.

"A republic, if you can keep it"

 

[diverdon]

Right vs wrong does not matter unless your alive.

If you are a pedestrian at a crosswalk waiting to cross the street and you see a speeding dump truck approaching do you confidently step into the crosswalk knowing that as a pedestrian in a crosswalk you have the right of way?

I wait for the truck.

When innocently or otherwise you engage in a confrontation with LE they will use the level of force necessary for them to win.

I'm not saying there's no right or wrong. I'm saying don't get hit by a truck to prove you're right.

If you can't justify dropping your gun at a police command then Google (civil rights attorney deposes police)

There are many videos on line of these ignorant motherfuckers sweating through being cross examined under oath by a plaintiffs attorney.

Now decide if you would rather watch your attorneys evisceration of the SOB or be in the hospital recovering from gunshots and facing criminal charges.

 

[nagantguy]

Right vs wrong does not matter unless your alive.

If you are a pedestrian at a crosswalk waiting to cross the street and you see a speeding dump truck approaching do you confidently step into the crosswalk knowing that as a pedestrian in a crosswalk you have the right of way?

I wait for the truck.

When innocently or otherwise you engage in a confrontation with LE they will use the level of force necessary for them to win.

I'm not saying there's no right or wrong. I'm saying don't get hit by a truck to prove you're right.

If you can't justify dropping your gun at a police command then Google (civil rights attorney deposes police)

There are many videos on line of these ignorant motherfuckers sweating through being cross examined under oath by a plaintiffs attorney.

Now decide if you would rather watch your attorneys evisceration of the SOB or be in the hospital recovering from gunshots and facing criminal charges.

Does it say “constitutionalist” in your profile?

What part of the constitution says continue lick boots while state agents shoot women in their yard who’ve committed NO crime ?

 

[sloporsche]

hold what you got inside would have been the better option rather than her dopey sweep n clear backyard tactics of recon by fire

 

[diverdon]

Does it say “constitutionalist” in your profile?

What part of the constitution says contrition lick boot while state agents shoot women in their yard who’ve committed NO crime ?

In debate that's what's called a strawman argument. You've twisted what I've said and then refuted and ridiculed me for your own incorrect summary of my statement.

I can't recall saying that this lady should have been shot, only that it was a predictable outcome of not dropping the gun when ordered by police to do so.

For myself I would prefer not to be shot. Thus continuing my preamble right to life liberty and pursuit of happiness.