Rifle Scopes Badger ordanance rings. Now I need install help.

[m1ajunkie]

I am removing my scope to remount it and while it is off, I want to ditch the larue spr mount and use rings to mount the scope.

This will be going on a .308 ar using a NF 3.5-15x scope. I have found that the ultra high version is what I need to use.

Does any one have any experience with the ultra high badger rings? I have always been a one piece quick detach fan, but for a precision rifle I feel rings are the way to go. Are there any other type of rings I should be looking at rather than badger?

 

[KeithR41]

Re: Badger ordanance rings

Nope.

 

[BobinNC]

Re: Badger ordanance rings

Badger's are the way to go, however, the combo I would look at is Badger's 22 MOA AR Riser Rail, coupled with shorter Badger 30mm rings.

The use of BO's Riser Rail gives you more mounting and scope placement options.

 

[ORD]

Re: Badger ordanance rings

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Badger's are the way to go, however, the combo I would look at is Badger's 22 MOA AR Riser Rail, coupled with shorter Badger 30mm rings.</div></div>

^^ What the man said! ^^

Unless you just don't need the addt'l elevation out of your scope (which you may not given the NF's 110MOA/30mil adjustment range depending on your max intended range with your rifle), then the Badger 22MOA riser with shorter rings is THE way to go.

 

[Redmanss]

Re: Badger ordanance rings

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Badger's are the way to go, however, the combo I would look at is Badger's 22 MOA AR Riser Rail, coupled with shorter Badger 30mm rings.</div></div>

^^ What the man said! ^^

Unless you just don't need the addt'l elevation out of your scope (which you may not given the NF's 110MOA/30mil adjustment range depending on your max intended range with your rifle), then the Badger 22MOA riser with shorter rings is THE way to go.</div></div> Another vote for this combo. The only other direction I would look is the Nightforce Unimount.

 

[m1ajunkie]

Re: Badger ordanance rings

I am looking at just the ultra high rings because I like less stuff bolted together to mount a scope such as rings on the riser.

The ar I am mounting on is a countinous rail so something that extends is not needed as I can place rings anywhere needed. Max range realistically is 675yds with 800yds possible in some competitions. I have looked at the nf unimount and I am debating that as well, but rings seem to be more popular when I look at precision rifles.

 

[afd77]

Re: Badger ordanance rings

You should be fine with the Badgers, but if you want the extra elevation adjustment just in case, the NF Unimount or the Badger Riser is the way to go. I look at having extra elevation adjustment as: better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

 

[m1ajunkie]

Re: Badger ordanance rings

Reading up on scope rings I see a lot of people lap there rings.

Would this be needed in my application? What is the benefit of lapping scope rings?

In addition to the lapping question, I just ran my elevation knob until it maxed out with out applying more force than normal. I have 52 minutes from a 200yd zero. I am assuming the zero will not change much once I put the rings on so that is easily enough elevation to get me to 1k which is my goal one day. However, Will the scope track correctly once it gets close to maxing out?

 

[Redmanss]

Re: Badger ordanance rings

You shouldn't need to lap BO rings. They come in a matched serialized set, and I've never come across a problem with them provided what you're mounting them to is true.

You shouldn't have any problem at all with your Nightforce tracking properly, but it's always a good idea to test your particular scope to make sure.

As for which to run, both are high quality and I own each. On a .308 though, I like having the 20moa base for the same reason afd77 does. Just in case and no regrets later.

 

[m1ajunkie]

Re: Badger ordanance rings

Got my new rings in today, but there were no instructions included.

Does any one know the torque values required on the different screws? A allen wrench was included for the eight little screws so I'm assuming nothing more than I can put on them using that wrench?

I am planning to use blue loc tite, but I'd like to torque the big nuts on the rail to the correct spec.

 

[KNIGHT11B4]

Re: Badger ordanance rings

Check this out.


http://badgerordnance.com/wp-content/plu...and%20bases.pdf

 

[E3C3H3O3]

Re: Badger ordanance rings. Now I need install help.

Badger O's are top notch stuff, there should be no need for lapping, with or without the riser you will be good to go at the ranges you will probably be shooting at, Good Shooting!

 

[m1ajunkie]

Re: Badger ordanance rings. Now I need install help.

Knight,

Thanks for that link, it's just what I am looking for.

 

[KNIGHT11B4]

Re: Badger ordanance rings. Now I need install help.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m1ajunkie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Knight,

Thanks for that link, it's just what I am looking for. </div></div>

Quite welcome.

 

[Zanshin]

Re: Badger ordanance rings

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Redmanss</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You shouldn't need to lap BO rings. They come in a matched serialized set, and I've never come across a problem with them<span style="font-weight: bold"> provided what you're mounting them to is true</span>. </div></div>

I'm no expert on scope mounting, but Is an integral Picatinny rail on an AR upper true like a badger base is? I would think that it would not be. Therefore, mounting serialized BO rings on an untrue rail might negate some of the benefits of spending the $$ on serialized BO rings?

If the point of switching from a LT-104 to BO rings was to get a more "true" mounting solution for a scope on a precision rig, I think those who suggested using a BO riser (which should be straight and true) were on to something. If you just wanted to ditch the QD set up and perm mount the scope to the AR rail, then its all good.

 

[CSTactical]

Re: Badger ordanance rings. Now I need install help.

The Badger mount are great and very well made. Another mount to look at would be the NF Unimount as seen here.

Here is a video we did on mounting a scope.
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Mike @ CST

 

[Magstang1]

Re: Badger ordanance rings. Now I need install help.

Forgive my ignorance, but what is better about the badger rings? Most people that have replied agree the badgers are better, but no justification as to why. I don't doubt the quality, but is the extra expense justified?

A Larue spr is $200 just to put a round number on it. And is widely accepted as top quality.

The badger base is $100, and another $175 for the rings.

The Nightforce 3.5-15 has 110 moa of vertical. This is most likely enough to get you past the range of the .308 AR without the canted base.

It's seems if one was really trying to thread the needle you wouldn't pick an AR. You would probably opt for a bolt gun.

My question is: are you gaining more accuracy with the base and rings than you are giving up with the AR platform? And is it even realistically possible to "need" the extra 20 moa with this setup?

The only reason I am picking this apart is I am in almost the exact same position. .308 AR, monolithic upper, and my NF 3.5-15 is in the mail.

Maybe I'll decide to go badger (or maybe I'll score a smokin' deal on a used spr?).

 

[m1ajunkie]

Re: Badger ordanance rings. Now I need install help.

Magstang1,

The reason I went with the rings and got rid of the larue is the rings seem more k.i.s.s to me. I just didn't have any need to be removing and remounting the scope on my .308 ar and felt there was potential for the larue to get knocked around and shift zero ever so slightly. As well as the larue I could "flex" with my hand when the rifle was bagged solid. I could put pressure on the foward most ring and push the optic down, It always seemed to return to the initial position but the rings eliminated that movement. With the badgers and mono rail I was able to mount the rings really far apart and when I push down on the front of the optic there is no movement that I can see. The main reason I went rings is they seem more durable, as in I feel they can with stand abuse better than a larue. Not that I plan to abuse my stuff, but things happen unexpectantly.

As far as a 20moa base, I didn't feel like I needed one for my application. With my NF zeroed at 200yds, I have 52moa of upward travel which would easily get me to 1k yds when I have the chance. The NF unimount looks like an awesome mount, but I didn't see where I would benefit by using it.

Just curious, "trued rails" were mentioned above and I don't know what that means. Could someone explain what this is? Im not sure I would benefit from a rail that I knew was trued as I feel like myself and the rifle are shooting as good as I am able with the current setup.

Just for fun, a 5 round 500yd group from today:

 

[Magstang1]

Re: Badger ordanance rings. Now I need install help.

That's a pretty good explanation. Thanks.

So what rings did you go with? (height?)

Edit:

Just looked up the specs.

Larue spr is 1.5" to centerline.

Badger ultra high is 1.4" to centerline.

I think I answered my own question.

Thanks again.