question, because there are differing opinions (like most things)
So how a tuner works is by shifting weight to cansel hormonic vibrations that are produced in your barrel from a fired round.. So if hormonic vibrations are tamed from adjusting the tuner that shows up at 100 yards it will be better at distance. Of corse adjusting a tuner for or at 500 to 750 yards will give you the ability to see a more presice adjusted measurement due to extrapolated distance so once most if not all hormonics are canseled and finely tuned its good for all distances as a tuner cant effect a bullet in flight once its cleared your barrel.
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In elr is about eliminating anything and everything that can cause variables when you have wind and everything else it just makes it easy and smart to deal with what you have control over. If you compound all of the other problems along with inadequacies and reading wind which applies to everyone. in the end all adds up.
I’ve seen a similar effect by installing a suppressor. Caused the rifles to shoot much better.
This is the same old rhetoric I always hear from people who make parts to sell...
Yes i sure have family has been in the automotive business sence 1934 owned and opetated 7 shops in 4 cities full machine shops built race motors for many years.. truth is i dont care who you think you are. All i hear is all the benchrest shooter and f class shooter are stupid. All the proof i need is that i can take any ones rifle with any one devloping loads and make it shoot a tighter group at 750 yards with a tuner. Then with out one.
Thats correct tuners are huge in 22 competition. But your a little different in the fact you load your own. .
But it’s a perfect example of tuners working, and working so well, that all the top competitors use them.
I have held back in this tuner stuff but just trying to help here , I have tested ambient temp changes with tuners . At 1000 yds I shoot two powder charges in the morning , if they hit level the tuner is set , in the afternoon the same two powder charges do not hit level, the tuners adjustable weight must be moved towards the rear which speeds up the the movements that are vertically oriented only because the exit timing has sped up and so must the movement. it is completely repeatable has worked for many years and even had the spot marked to temp on the tuner so I could set it at the cleaning table before I went to the line. If the two different powder charges hit level then that is the best setting for the tuner which leaves no doubt it is set.Hi,
I think you would be getting into the point of:
1. Nobody can shoot the difference in regards to ambient temp vs tuner settings.
2. Nobody wants to pay the money to testing facilities that have the equipment to scientifically measure such changes.
A. Would be getting into the density of the barrel alloy based on its' temperatures and how the barrel "flexes" under different temperatures.
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Theis
That can be easily figured out if there’s a record of the equipment used by the winners. That’s the beauty of quantitative analysis.
The take away from the first link is that a heavy muzzle brake can probably provide the same results as an untuned tunner. As the analysis reports that it appears one showed an improvement regardless of the tunner setting. It just so happens that most ELR brakes are heavy by default.
A tuner does not cancel anything. It changes the resonance frequency of the barrel. By changing the resonance, you can move the hamonic nodes so that the muzzle is at a node rather than an antinode.
Perhaps Council was a bad choice of words. To reduce harmonic frequency what is causing the problem or change the harmonic frequency that is causing the problem. in a roundabout way is canceling the problem that it's causing accuracy issues. Have you ever used a hunter balancer?A tuner does not cancel anything. It changes the resonance frequency of the barrel. By changing the resonance, you can move the hamonic nodes so that the muzzle is at a node rather than an antinode.
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On a vibrating string, tube etc, you have points of high and low amounts of physical movement. By tuning it, you can get the point of exit to be a calm zone. You can also have a certain combination of length and mass that produces a ”wolf” frequency which is a wild vibration caused by multiple interacting resonance frequencies. In musical instruments this is heard as an obnoxious and very loud tone. Placing a weight on a harmonic of this wolf pith will calm it down significantly.
I did at one point in time but no longer. I guess i could make another video. Have not been a need to do so as my customers Speak for the porduct. Ill see about making a other video soon.like the last video i did loads were devloped by ladder in .5 grain steps. And seating debths were optomized with no tune adjustments into a flat node. All done at 100 yards then tuned at 750 yards for optomized accuracy. Problem is at 100 yards its difficult to see clear changes when every group all bullets are touching. The improvement at 750 yards are not disputable and clear
So A couple of Questions... do you have a website for your business? and what is the weight of you tuner brake for the .375 using a 1.75" barrel? and also for a 33XC with a 1.25" barrel.
Send me a privet message all answer any question you have. Brakes range from just under a pound to just over a pound depending on barrel conture and port count
