Forgive me if i'm posting something that's already been discussed. I did a search on google and here and only found some opinions based on people's first looks and nothing concrete on performance. I'm new to the precision shooting scene. In law enforcement but only shot handguns, shotguns and some carbine courses so nothing with bolt rifles and definitely nothing past 50 to 75 yards. I would like to dive in head first and kill my wallet once to shoot up to 600 to 800 to begin but want to try over 1000 as soon as I feel comfortable. I placed an order for an AX 308 since it's a cheap caliber and apparently a nice rifle but i'm starting to wonder if I should order something with the ability to switch between 338lm and 308. I see the mrad has that capability and is a cheaper rifle but how does it compare to the AX in terms of accuracy and durability? Do caliber conversions cause issues with return to zero? I plan on running a S+B PM II as soon as I can afford the glass. I like the capability of switching between the 338 and 308 so that is a huge selling point for me. Any first hand use, reviews and accounts would be appreciated.
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Barrett MRAD or AI AX308
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Re: Barrett MRAD or AI AX308
the AX is a great choice. You can easily get a 260 barrel or 6.5 creedmore both are great 1000yd calibers. Shoot the 308, it will go to 1000 just fine. When you get better, you'll see the advantages of the 260.
the AX is a great choice. You can easily get a 260 barrel or 6.5 creedmore both are great 1000yd calibers. Shoot the 308, it will go to 1000 just fine. When you get better, you'll see the advantages of the 260.
Re: Barrett MRAD or AI AX308
I can't comment on the MRAD as I've never shot one, they look nice and I'd consider it as a 338, but not as a 308/338 switch barrel. I don't like using short action cartridges in a long action if you don't have to.
Now the AIAX, that's a thing of beauty, I have the short action that comes with the 308 barrel though mine is 99% of the time a 243. Also have the 338 AX, love that too, but will focus on your 308.
308 is a great round, definitely the way to go if you're new to LR rifles and buying your ammo from a store or getting some through the department. The next step for you as you move beyond say 800 yards would be to get a new barrel, about $600 from Mile High, get that barrel chambered in 243, 260 or 6.5 Creedmore. With one of those calibers you can easily shoot to 1,000 yards and compete in any competition. I shot my 243 last weekend to 1715 yards, all of those will reach. The nice thing about the 243/260/6.5 option is that you're using the same mags as the 308 so no additional cost there.
I can't comment on the MRAD as I've never shot one, they look nice and I'd consider it as a 338, but not as a 308/338 switch barrel. I don't like using short action cartridges in a long action if you don't have to.
Now the AIAX, that's a thing of beauty, I have the short action that comes with the 308 barrel though mine is 99% of the time a 243. Also have the 338 AX, love that too, but will focus on your 308.
308 is a great round, definitely the way to go if you're new to LR rifles and buying your ammo from a store or getting some through the department. The next step for you as you move beyond say 800 yards would be to get a new barrel, about $600 from Mile High, get that barrel chambered in 243, 260 or 6.5 Creedmore. With one of those calibers you can easily shoot to 1,000 yards and compete in any competition. I shot my 243 last weekend to 1715 yards, all of those will reach. The nice thing about the 243/260/6.5 option is that you're using the same mags as the 308 so no additional cost there.
Re: Barrett MRAD or AI AX308
So barrel changes on the AX can be done but obviously I'd want an armorer/gunsmith to do that... I didn't realize that was possible. I would need a long action to shoot 338 LM in the AX though correct? I couldn't have it converted to 338lm and switch easily between the two? Why is the 260 so popular compared to say the 338lm? I thought that was the go to cartridge for ELR. I know the 308, especially match ammo, can reach out to 1000 yards but I figured it's better to upgrade to a cartridge designed for longer ranges. I understand AI also has a rifle that can switch between calibers quickly but it's way beyond my price range at this point. I want to stick to 308 for now since it's cheaper but definitely want to be able to add a longer range cartridge, preferably where I can switch between the two relatively easily.
So barrel changes on the AX can be done but obviously I'd want an armorer/gunsmith to do that... I didn't realize that was possible. I would need a long action to shoot 338 LM in the AX though correct? I couldn't have it converted to 338lm and switch easily between the two? Why is the 260 so popular compared to say the 338lm? I thought that was the go to cartridge for ELR. I know the 308, especially match ammo, can reach out to 1000 yards but I figured it's better to upgrade to a cartridge designed for longer ranges. I understand AI also has a rifle that can switch between calibers quickly but it's way beyond my price range at this point. I want to stick to 308 for now since it's cheaper but definitely want to be able to add a longer range cartridge, preferably where I can switch between the two relatively easily.
Re: Barrett MRAD or AI AX308
No need for an armorer/gunsmith. If you can turn a wrench then you're good to go. Just get the right tools.
A 260, 243, 6.5cm, or 6cm will go out to 1k and further with no problems. If you are looking for more energy on target then that's another story but for hits on steel at 1400yds + those calibers will do. Call up GA Precision and have them spin a barrel in the caliber you want for the AX. I have an AX with 308, 6.5cm, and 6cm. I also own a AX338 but it collects dust the majority of the time because I don't enjoy shooting five dollar bills down range.
No need for an armorer/gunsmith. If you can turn a wrench then you're good to go. Just get the right tools.
A 260, 243, 6.5cm, or 6cm will go out to 1k and further with no problems. If you are looking for more energy on target then that's another story but for hits on steel at 1400yds + those calibers will do. Call up GA Precision and have them spin a barrel in the caliber you want for the AX. I have an AX with 308, 6.5cm, and 6cm. I also own a AX338 but it collects dust the majority of the time because I don't enjoy shooting five dollar bills down range.
Re: Barrett MRAD or AI AX308
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alitis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So barrel changes on the AX can be done but obviously I'd want an armorer/gunsmith to do that... I didn't realize that was possible. I would need a long action to shoot 338 LM in the AX though correct? I couldn't have it converted to 338lm and switch easily between the two? Why is the 260 so popular compared to say the 338lm? I thought that was the go to cartridge for ELR. I know the 308, especially match ammo, can reach out to 1000 yards but I figured it's better to upgrade to a cartridge designed for longer ranges. I understand AI also has a rifle that can switch between calibers quickly but it's way beyond my price range at this point. I want to stick to 308 for now since it's cheaper but definitely want to be able to add a longer range cartridge, preferably where I can switch between the two relatively easily. </div></div>
The 338 is for 1500 yards and further, if you dont reload, the ammo is expensive.
Also, because you are a novice, you should not start with a 338 (although you can buy one because they are awesome). shoot the 308 and get the fundementals down. Buy a 243 or 260 barrel if you want better ballistics than a 308.
Again, when you become more experienced at long range shooting, you will see why 243 and 260 are better than a 308.
Here is a link on barrel changes for an aw, the ax would be about the same
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dewjkWRMbew&feature=relmfu
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alitis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So barrel changes on the AX can be done but obviously I'd want an armorer/gunsmith to do that... I didn't realize that was possible. I would need a long action to shoot 338 LM in the AX though correct? I couldn't have it converted to 338lm and switch easily between the two? Why is the 260 so popular compared to say the 338lm? I thought that was the go to cartridge for ELR. I know the 308, especially match ammo, can reach out to 1000 yards but I figured it's better to upgrade to a cartridge designed for longer ranges. I understand AI also has a rifle that can switch between calibers quickly but it's way beyond my price range at this point. I want to stick to 308 for now since it's cheaper but definitely want to be able to add a longer range cartridge, preferably where I can switch between the two relatively easily. </div></div>
The 338 is for 1500 yards and further, if you dont reload, the ammo is expensive.
Also, because you are a novice, you should not start with a 338 (although you can buy one because they are awesome). shoot the 308 and get the fundementals down. Buy a 243 or 260 barrel if you want better ballistics than a 308.
Again, when you become more experienced at long range shooting, you will see why 243 and 260 are better than a 308.
Here is a link on barrel changes for an aw, the ax would be about the same
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dewjkWRMbew&feature=relmfu
Re: Barrett MRAD or AI AX308
I appreciate the help. The AI rifles seem to be pretty top notch and changing out barrels seems to be simple. Is it safe to assume zero is maintained unless I change caliber and/or barrel length? I've opted for the 20" barrel on the AX as I plan to add a Surefire suppressor down the line once I escape to a free state and I want to keep the rifle somewhat compact. I like the ability of the MRAD to change barrels quickly without needing a vise or additional specialized tools other than a torque wrench, and when Barrett does release the kits, then I can add 308. The problem is when they'll release them and I'll be restricted to 3 calibers only so I'd still need a custom barrel to add something like 260. I can deal with the cost of ammo for now as I do plan to start reloading as well but I like to have more options available. Can anyone using the MRAD comment regarding its reliability, accuracy and return to zero? I'm trying to narrow down the pros and cons of both and decide whether I should stick with my AX order or switch to the MRAD.
AX 308
Pros
Cheaper caliber
accurate and reliable
relatively easy barrel change
quick adjust LOP, Cheek piece and butt spike
slightly lighter than MRAD (but in different caliber)
Cons
more expensive rifle (Over 6k with LE discount versus around 5k for MRAD)
extra tools and custom barrel needed to change to other short action calibers
restricted to short action calibers only
expensive magazines
Barrett MRAD
Pros
cheaper rifle
torque wrench to change barrels (faster than the AX)
long and short action calibers (when available)
adjustable LOP and knob for cheek piece
Cons
Expensive caliber
No caliber kits available yet (308 in short action only)
No butt spike
Unknown reliability
Unknown accuracy
Unknown repeat zero if barrel is removed and reinstalled.
I appreciate the help. The AI rifles seem to be pretty top notch and changing out barrels seems to be simple. Is it safe to assume zero is maintained unless I change caliber and/or barrel length? I've opted for the 20" barrel on the AX as I plan to add a Surefire suppressor down the line once I escape to a free state and I want to keep the rifle somewhat compact. I like the ability of the MRAD to change barrels quickly without needing a vise or additional specialized tools other than a torque wrench, and when Barrett does release the kits, then I can add 308. The problem is when they'll release them and I'll be restricted to 3 calibers only so I'd still need a custom barrel to add something like 260. I can deal with the cost of ammo for now as I do plan to start reloading as well but I like to have more options available. Can anyone using the MRAD comment regarding its reliability, accuracy and return to zero? I'm trying to narrow down the pros and cons of both and decide whether I should stick with my AX order or switch to the MRAD.
AX 308
Pros
Cheaper caliber
accurate and reliable
relatively easy barrel change
quick adjust LOP, Cheek piece and butt spike
slightly lighter than MRAD (but in different caliber)
Cons
more expensive rifle (Over 6k with LE discount versus around 5k for MRAD)
extra tools and custom barrel needed to change to other short action calibers
restricted to short action calibers only
expensive magazines
Barrett MRAD
Pros
cheaper rifle
torque wrench to change barrels (faster than the AX)
long and short action calibers (when available)
adjustable LOP and knob for cheek piece
Cons
Expensive caliber
No caliber kits available yet (308 in short action only)
No butt spike
Unknown reliability
Unknown accuracy
Unknown repeat zero if barrel is removed and reinstalled.
Re: Barrett MRAD or AI AX308
Check out the August 2012 edition of Special Weapons For Military and Police. There is a great article on the MRAD. I am a loyal Barrett guy, so I say do the MRAD, but my bias always shows on that.
Check out the August 2012 edition of Special Weapons For Military and Police. There is a great article on the MRAD. I am a loyal Barrett guy, so I say do the MRAD, but my bias always shows on that.
Re: Barrett MRAD or AI AX308
Go with the AI. The action for the short action AX is the same as the AW short action which has been proven in combat and on the range for the last 25+ years with small changes to aid in the reliability and usability departments. Obviously the AX has the newer Chassis system, But you can't go wrong with an AI. Good choice.
Go with the AI. The action for the short action AX is the same as the AW short action which has been proven in combat and on the range for the last 25+ years with small changes to aid in the reliability and usability departments. Obviously the AX has the newer Chassis system, But you can't go wrong with an AI. Good choice.
Re: Barrett MRAD or AI AX308
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TacticalDillhole</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Check out the August 2012 edition of Special Weapons For Military and Police. There is a great article on the MRAD. I am a loyal Barrett guy, so I say do the MRAD, but my bias always shows on that. </div></div>
I just Re-read the article and , coincidentally, there's an article in the same issue about the AI AX338. Both rifles got good reviews although it seems the AX is more established and a bit more favored. I'm having a hard time deciding what to do at this point since its such a huge investment and I don't want to regret my purchase either way. I noticed a couple of other things about the choices. Apparently Barrett is considering making other calibers besides 338lm, 308 and 300wm available so that is a bonus to the mrad. The AX locks the bolt open on an empty mag (the mrad apparently doesnt do that) and there is a surefire brake available. The surefire website doesn't list a brake option for the mrad although the aforementioned article says the new mrad brake, taken from the 98b, does accept surefire suppressors. Choices..... I suppose that if the AI PSR was an option with just 308 for now, I'd take that but every dealer I've looked at is selling the PSR as a complete 15k+ kit.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TacticalDillhole</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Check out the August 2012 edition of Special Weapons For Military and Police. There is a great article on the MRAD. I am a loyal Barrett guy, so I say do the MRAD, but my bias always shows on that. </div></div>
I just Re-read the article and , coincidentally, there's an article in the same issue about the AI AX338. Both rifles got good reviews although it seems the AX is more established and a bit more favored. I'm having a hard time deciding what to do at this point since its such a huge investment and I don't want to regret my purchase either way. I noticed a couple of other things about the choices. Apparently Barrett is considering making other calibers besides 338lm, 308 and 300wm available so that is a bonus to the mrad. The AX locks the bolt open on an empty mag (the mrad apparently doesnt do that) and there is a surefire brake available. The surefire website doesn't list a brake option for the mrad although the aforementioned article says the new mrad brake, taken from the 98b, does accept surefire suppressors. Choices..... I suppose that if the AI PSR was an option with just 308 for now, I'd take that but every dealer I've looked at is selling the PSR as a complete 15k+ kit.
Re: Barrett MRAD or AI AX308
Have a look at the drop & wind charts on this page and note that the .260 Remington, .300 Win Mag, and .338 Lapua Mag shoot about the same. The magnums put more energy downrange and are easier to spot but seem hard to justify if you're just ringing steel.
I've run my AI AW .308 out to 1,500 yards and went 2 for 5 on a torso silhouette at that distance. At least in my case, chance plays a roll in hitting at that distance.
You won't regret the AI if you have the scratch. Mine was a stretch, but I'm never doubting the rifle when I'm on the range. Any misses are my fault ;-)
Have a look at the drop & wind charts on this page and note that the .260 Remington, .300 Win Mag, and .338 Lapua Mag shoot about the same. The magnums put more energy downrange and are easier to spot but seem hard to justify if you're just ringing steel.
I've run my AI AW .308 out to 1,500 yards and went 2 for 5 on a torso silhouette at that distance. At least in my case, chance plays a roll in hitting at that distance.
You won't regret the AI if you have the scratch. Mine was a stretch, but I'm never doubting the rifle when I'm on the range. Any misses are my fault ;-)
Re: Barrett MRAD or AI AX308
A very important point. It is my understanding they are surveying owners regarding which caliber conversions to make. I wouldn't count on anything, let alone a specific caliber. But call Barrett and ask.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They've yet to release any caliber conversion kits for the mrad, and are closing on a year over due on it.
You made the right choice on the AX. </div></div>
A very important point. It is my understanding they are surveying owners regarding which caliber conversions to make. I wouldn't count on anything, let alone a specific caliber. But call Barrett and ask.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They've yet to release any caliber conversion kits for the mrad, and are closing on a year over due on it.
You made the right choice on the AX. </div></div>
Re: Barrett MRAD or AI AX308
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jAXDIALATION</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A very important point. It is my understanding they are surveying owners regarding which caliber conversions to make. I wouldn't count on anything, let alone a specific caliber. But call Barrett and ask.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They've yet to release any caliber conversion kits for the mrad, and are closing on a year over due on it.
You made the right choice on the AX. </div></div> </div></div>
Which is funny considering they showed a picture of the 300wm and 308win magazines proudly on here what 6+ months ago.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jAXDIALATION</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A very important point. It is my understanding they are surveying owners regarding which caliber conversions to make. I wouldn't count on anything, let alone a specific caliber. But call Barrett and ask.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They've yet to release any caliber conversion kits for the mrad, and are closing on a year over due on it.
You made the right choice on the AX. </div></div> </div></div>
Which is funny considering they showed a picture of the 300wm and 308win magazines proudly on here what 6+ months ago.
Re: Barrett MRAD or AI AX308
I just took delivery of a MRAD and after taking it to the range I WOULD purchase it again. It is a very well made system. One thing to note they are not shipping with fluted barrels only bull barrels at least for the next 4 or 5 months and they are black in color. From what they told me that they will offer both versions and the only difference is about .75lbs.
Don't know if that helps
Good luck!!
I just took delivery of a MRAD and after taking it to the range I WOULD purchase it again. It is a very well made system. One thing to note they are not shipping with fluted barrels only bull barrels at least for the next 4 or 5 months and they are black in color. From what they told me that they will offer both versions and the only difference is about .75lbs.
Don't know if that helps
Good luck!!
Re: Barrett MRAD or AI AX308
I was in the same shoe about 8 months ago being stuck at a split road between the MRAD and AIAX 308. In the end, I decided to go with the AIAX 308
Although I had to wait about 6 months for it, well, I still haven't gotten it in my hand as of yet, but it will be arriving at my FFL in about 10 days.
But if the multi caliber is a merit to you, you can save up some more money, well, lot of money lol, and look into AIAX PSR Kit.
It looks beautiful *_*;;
+1 for AIAX !!
I was in the same shoe about 8 months ago being stuck at a split road between the MRAD and AIAX 308. In the end, I decided to go with the AIAX 308
Although I had to wait about 6 months for it, well, I still haven't gotten it in my hand as of yet, but it will be arriving at my FFL in about 10 days.
But if the multi caliber is a merit to you, you can save up some more money, well, lot of money lol, and look into AIAX PSR Kit.
It looks beautiful *_*;;
+1 for AIAX !!
Re: Barrett MRAD or AI AX308
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kevlars</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That is one SIC rifle PSR Rifle but for $15K.
-K </div></div>
I think if I had the quick change capability available for the AX right now, it would be a no brainier for me as the mrad doesn't have available options at the moment. I'm getting slightly diseased in the head right now because I'm actually considering the possibility of selling a couple of rare sig 550 series guns to grab a kit. Probably not a good idea. I know a AI rep posted here on the hide that the PSR would be available as a stand alone soon but is that confirmed and will it actually appear this year or next? I don't need all the crazy kit contents. I just want it in 308 now and maybe add 338lm/260.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kevlars</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That is one SIC rifle PSR Rifle but for $15K.
-K </div></div>
I think if I had the quick change capability available for the AX right now, it would be a no brainier for me as the mrad doesn't have available options at the moment. I'm getting slightly diseased in the head right now because I'm actually considering the possibility of selling a couple of rare sig 550 series guns to grab a kit. Probably not a good idea. I know a AI rep posted here on the hide that the PSR would be available as a stand alone soon but is that confirmed and will it actually appear this year or next? I don't need all the crazy kit contents. I just want it in 308 now and maybe add 338lm/260.
Re: Barrett MRAD or AI AX308
my advice will echo the others.....keep the ax308 get gap to spin you up a 260 or 6.5 creed barrel. unscrew barrel,other barrel in torque and your done, its simple 5min process.
if your dead set on the $5/rd 338 pick up and older "used" awsm 338 they come up on a reg basis here for a good price because of the previously mentioned ammo cost to operate.
imho an aw in 300wm would be the easy winner.when you see a 208amax hit a target at 900-1000 yds youll see it has PLENTY of energy to get whatever you might need done.once fired LE brass pops up on here a good bit and amax is reasonably priced very solid performer
my advice will echo the others.....keep the ax308 get gap to spin you up a 260 or 6.5 creed barrel. unscrew barrel,other barrel in torque and your done, its simple 5min process.
if your dead set on the $5/rd 338 pick up and older "used" awsm 338 they come up on a reg basis here for a good price because of the previously mentioned ammo cost to operate.
imho an aw in 300wm would be the easy winner.when you see a 208amax hit a target at 900-1000 yds youll see it has PLENTY of energy to get whatever you might need done.once fired LE brass pops up on here a good bit and amax is reasonably priced very solid performer
Re: Barrett MRAD or AI AX308
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alitis</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kevlars</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That is one SIC rifle PSR Rifle but for $15K.
-K </div></div>
I think if I had the quick change capability available for the AX right now, it would be a no brainier for me as the mrad doesn't have available options at the moment. I'm getting slightly diseased in the head right now because I'm actually considering the possibility of selling a couple of rare sig 550 series guns to grab a kit. Probably not a good idea. I know a AI rep posted here on the hide that the PSR would be available as a stand alone soon but is that confirmed and will it actually appear this year or next? I don't need all the crazy kit contents. I just want it in 308 now and maybe add 338lm/260. </div></div>
If that happen by next year....I'd be surprised.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alitis</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kevlars</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That is one SIC rifle PSR Rifle but for $15K.
-K </div></div>
I think if I had the quick change capability available for the AX right now, it would be a no brainier for me as the mrad doesn't have available options at the moment. I'm getting slightly diseased in the head right now because I'm actually considering the possibility of selling a couple of rare sig 550 series guns to grab a kit. Probably not a good idea. I know a AI rep posted here on the hide that the PSR would be available as a stand alone soon but is that confirmed and will it actually appear this year or next? I don't need all the crazy kit contents. I just want it in 308 now and maybe add 338lm/260. </div></div>
If that happen by next year....I'd be surprised.
Re: Barrett MRAD or AI AX308
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alitis</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Why is the 260 so popular compared to say the 338lm? </div></div>
The .260 or 6.5CM are talked about a lot because they are both improved .308's. They go a little further, have a flatter trajectory, and less recoil. They are both, like the .308, short action.
The .338 is far superior, but much more expensive.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alitis</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Why is the 260 so popular compared to say the 338lm? </div></div>
The .260 or 6.5CM are talked about a lot because they are both improved .308's. They go a little further, have a flatter trajectory, and less recoil. They are both, like the .308, short action.
The .338 is far superior, but much more expensive.
Re: Barrett MRAD or AI AX308
I'm biased - I have owned AI rifles for getting on for 10 years...currently 6 years into my AW .308. Never had it go wrong, built like a tank and just keeps on doing it's thing. I'd not hesitate to recommend them.
Some thoughts added to your post below;
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alitis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I appreciate the help. The AI rifles seem to be pretty top notch and changing out barrels seems to be simple.
Is it safe to assume zero is maintained unless I change caliber and/or barrel length?
<span style="color: #3366FF">Check out Scott's demo vid( a bit old and AW related) but still impressive:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKrLnxRxNAI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yByVGTPZvoE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=decFcYCTH28</span>
I've opted for the 20" barrel on the AX as I plan to add a Surefire suppressor down the line once I escape to a free state and I want to keep the rifle somewhat compact. I like the ability of the MRAD to change barrels quickly without needing a vise or additional specialized tools other than a torque wrench, and when Barrett does release the kits, then I can add 308. The problem is when they'll release them and I'll be restricted to 3 calibers only so I'd still need a custom barrel to add something like 260. I can deal with the cost of ammo for now as I do plan to start reloading as well but I like to have more options available. Can anyone using the MRAD comment regarding its reliability, accuracy and return to zero? I'm trying to narrow down the pros and cons of both and decide whether I should stick with my AX order or switch to the MRAD.
AX 308
Pros
Cheaper caliber
accurate and reliable
relatively easy barrel change
quick adjust LOP, Cheek piece and butt spike
slightly lighter than MRAD (but in different caliber)
Cons
more expensive rifle (Over 6k with LE discount versus around 5k for MRAD)
extra tools and custom barrel needed to change to other short action calibers
restricted to short action calibers only
expensive magazines
Barrett MRAD
Pros
cheaper rifle
torque wrench to change barrels (faster than the AX) <span style="color: #3333FF">If this is not for duty/service use, is speed an issue?</span>
long and short action calibers (when available).. <span style="color: #3366FF"> </span> adjustable LOP and knob for cheek piece <span style="color: #3333FF">AI also provide push adjustment on both as an option</span>
Cons
Expensive caliber
No caliber kits available yet (308 in short action only) <span style="color: #3333FF">..again "yet"? </span>
No butt spike
<span style="color: #3366FF">Unknown </span>reliability
<span style="color: #3366FF">Unknown</span> accuracy
<span style="color: #3366FF">Unknown</span> repeat zero if barrel is removed and reinstalled. </div></div>
For me you've pretty much built the case for the AI right there.......available now, no vague promises without definite due dates...and proven beyond doubt to be a reliable and accurate. The list of "unknowns" you mention for the Barrett are (IMHO) the most important deciders when buying a rifle.
And I'd guess the resale value of an AI would hold up very well against a Barrett? Not that you'd really want to sell it once you have it
I know I've not lost money against my AW, in fact I could probably sell it for more than I paid for it right now.....
Whatever you choose, good luck!
If it was me I'd stick with the AX or look for a good second hand AW if the budget is a little tight.
I'm biased - I have owned AI rifles for getting on for 10 years...currently 6 years into my AW .308. Never had it go wrong, built like a tank and just keeps on doing it's thing. I'd not hesitate to recommend them.
Some thoughts added to your post below;
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alitis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I appreciate the help. The AI rifles seem to be pretty top notch and changing out barrels seems to be simple.
Is it safe to assume zero is maintained unless I change caliber and/or barrel length?
<span style="color: #3366FF">Check out Scott's demo vid( a bit old and AW related) but still impressive:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKrLnxRxNAI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yByVGTPZvoE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=decFcYCTH28</span>
I've opted for the 20" barrel on the AX as I plan to add a Surefire suppressor down the line once I escape to a free state and I want to keep the rifle somewhat compact. I like the ability of the MRAD to change barrels quickly without needing a vise or additional specialized tools other than a torque wrench, and when Barrett does release the kits, then I can add 308. The problem is when they'll release them and I'll be restricted to 3 calibers only so I'd still need a custom barrel to add something like 260. I can deal with the cost of ammo for now as I do plan to start reloading as well but I like to have more options available. Can anyone using the MRAD comment regarding its reliability, accuracy and return to zero? I'm trying to narrow down the pros and cons of both and decide whether I should stick with my AX order or switch to the MRAD.
AX 308
Pros
Cheaper caliber
accurate and reliable
relatively easy barrel change
quick adjust LOP, Cheek piece and butt spike
slightly lighter than MRAD (but in different caliber)
Cons
more expensive rifle (Over 6k with LE discount versus around 5k for MRAD)
extra tools and custom barrel needed to change to other short action calibers
restricted to short action calibers only
expensive magazines
Barrett MRAD
Pros
cheaper rifle
torque wrench to change barrels (faster than the AX) <span style="color: #3333FF">If this is not for duty/service use, is speed an issue?</span>
long and short action calibers (when available).. <span style="color: #3366FF"> </span> adjustable LOP and knob for cheek piece <span style="color: #3333FF">AI also provide push adjustment on both as an option</span>
Cons
Expensive caliber
No caliber kits available yet (308 in short action only) <span style="color: #3333FF">..again "yet"? </span>
No butt spike
<span style="color: #3366FF">Unknown </span>reliability
<span style="color: #3366FF">Unknown</span> accuracy
<span style="color: #3366FF">Unknown</span> repeat zero if barrel is removed and reinstalled. </div></div>
For me you've pretty much built the case for the AI right there.......available now, no vague promises without definite due dates...and proven beyond doubt to be a reliable and accurate. The list of "unknowns" you mention for the Barrett are (IMHO) the most important deciders when buying a rifle.
And I'd guess the resale value of an AI would hold up very well against a Barrett? Not that you'd really want to sell it once you have it
I know I've not lost money against my AW, in fact I could probably sell it for more than I paid for it right now.....
Whatever you choose, good luck!
If it was me I'd stick with the AX or look for a good second hand AW if the budget is a little tight.
Re: Barrett MRAD or AI AX308
Exactly! It really makes Barrett look dull when they don't deliver, then either seem not to know "what" to deliver, or don't care. I think it also means the MRADs aren't flying off the shelves.
I own a Barrett 89B its a good rifle.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jAXDIALATION</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A very important point. It is my understanding they are surveying owners regarding which caliber conversions to make. I wouldn't count on anything, let alone a specific caliber. But call Barrett and ask.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They've yet to release any caliber conversion kits for the mrad, and are closing on a year over due on it.
You made the right choice on the AX. </div></div> </div></div>
Which is funny considering they showed a picture of the 300wm and 308win magazines proudly on here what 6+ months ago. </div></div>
Exactly! It really makes Barrett look dull when they don't deliver, then either seem not to know "what" to deliver, or don't care. I think it also means the MRADs aren't flying off the shelves.
I own a Barrett 89B its a good rifle.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jAXDIALATION</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A very important point. It is my understanding they are surveying owners regarding which caliber conversions to make. I wouldn't count on anything, let alone a specific caliber. But call Barrett and ask.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They've yet to release any caliber conversion kits for the mrad, and are closing on a year over due on it.
You made the right choice on the AX. </div></div> </div></div>
Which is funny considering they showed a picture of the 300wm and 308win magazines proudly on here what 6+ months ago. </div></div>
Re: Barrett MRAD or AI AX308
My question on the mrad is whats the deal with barrels? Does it use a barrel extension like the DTA? So you can get a barrel extension and have a 3rd party vendor make your barrel? Or are you locked into only using Barrets made barrels?
My question on the mrad is whats the deal with barrels? Does it use a barrel extension like the DTA? So you can get a barrel extension and have a 3rd party vendor make your barrel? Or are you locked into only using Barrets made barrels?
Re: Barrett MRAD or AI AX308
Why not just order an AXAW in 260 Rem. if in the end you're going to reload anyway?
Why not just order an AXAW in 260 Rem. if in the end you're going to reload anyway?
Re: Barrett MRAD or AI AX308
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dave Tooley</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why not just order an AXAW in 260 Rem. if in the end you're going to reload anyway? </div></div>
I have a stock of black hills 308 at the moment for my Scar H and I figured I'd get another great platform to shoot it through. I wont be reloading for another 6+ months. I honestly didn't even know I could order 260 for an AI. Other posters said I could have a barrel made for it so I thought it wasn't a factory option. As far as speed changes for calibers, I'm not so much concerned about changing it quickly. Even in LE work, I doubt anyone would change calibers in a stressful scenario. They just roll out with what they train with and use it. My preference is to be able to change it with as few tools as possible. If I'm at the range shooting 308 and decide I want to shoot 338 or 260, etc for a bit I won't have a vise or a huge torque wrench with me. The great part about the AI psr is that it just needs an Allen key, not even a pre set wrench or anything. I'm waiting for a response back from the authorized AI dealer. If they're ok with it I'll either get a refund and wait for the stand alone or use my deposit to pick up the optic and use it on a different rifle until the AI psr is available. According to them, it might not be available for a year or so. I'm going to stick with the AI either way and, if I miraculously manage to free up funds, I might grab a psr kit but I doubt it. AI is top notch and I originally chose it because it was designed from the ground up for mil/LE and I have a distinct preference for proven hardware. I'm sticking with that. The MRAD looks great and perhaps I'll pick one up down the line when it's proven and more options are available.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dave Tooley</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why not just order an AXAW in 260 Rem. if in the end you're going to reload anyway? </div></div>
I have a stock of black hills 308 at the moment for my Scar H and I figured I'd get another great platform to shoot it through. I wont be reloading for another 6+ months. I honestly didn't even know I could order 260 for an AI. Other posters said I could have a barrel made for it so I thought it wasn't a factory option. As far as speed changes for calibers, I'm not so much concerned about changing it quickly. Even in LE work, I doubt anyone would change calibers in a stressful scenario. They just roll out with what they train with and use it. My preference is to be able to change it with as few tools as possible. If I'm at the range shooting 308 and decide I want to shoot 338 or 260, etc for a bit I won't have a vise or a huge torque wrench with me. The great part about the AI psr is that it just needs an Allen key, not even a pre set wrench or anything. I'm waiting for a response back from the authorized AI dealer. If they're ok with it I'll either get a refund and wait for the stand alone or use my deposit to pick up the optic and use it on a different rifle until the AI psr is available. According to them, it might not be available for a year or so. I'm going to stick with the AI either way and, if I miraculously manage to free up funds, I might grab a psr kit but I doubt it. AI is top notch and I originally chose it because it was designed from the ground up for mil/LE and I have a distinct preference for proven hardware. I'm sticking with that. The MRAD looks great and perhaps I'll pick one up down the line when it's proven and more options are available.
Re: Barrett MRAD or AI AX308
So as a quick update... I guess I must have gone over the deep end... I contacted the dealer who was beyond gracious and accommodating... I now have a AI PSR kit on hold for me. I know I'm crazy... He gave me until the end of the year to pay this bad boy off which is beyond excellent. I should hopefully be settled financially with impending retirement and other matters within a couple of months so hopefully I'll have it before December and I'll be sure to post pictures when I do, provided I don't commit myself to an institution. I know I'll be happy with it either way and when I said I was jumping in full bore, I guess I didn't realize I'd sink up to my knees. Now to save up for a 5-25 tan S+B.
So as a quick update... I guess I must have gone over the deep end... I contacted the dealer who was beyond gracious and accommodating... I now have a AI PSR kit on hold for me. I know I'm crazy... He gave me until the end of the year to pay this bad boy off which is beyond excellent. I should hopefully be settled financially with impending retirement and other matters within a couple of months so hopefully I'll have it before December and I'll be sure to post pictures when I do, provided I don't commit myself to an institution. I know I'll be happy with it either way and when I said I was jumping in full bore, I guess I didn't realize I'd sink up to my knees. Now to save up for a 5-25 tan S+B.
Re: Barrett MRAD or AI AX308
I would go with the AIAX way before the Barrett.
If you want an awesome rifle that you can swap barrels, is super accurate and has many caliber choices the answer is simple DTA. Desert Tactical Arms is an awesome weapons system. There is a video on here where a guy swaps from .308 to .338 in minutes and is ringing steel at a 1,000 yards with no change in zero between the two.
I would go with the AIAX way before the Barrett.
If you want an awesome rifle that you can swap barrels, is super accurate and has many caliber choices the answer is simple DTA. Desert Tactical Arms is an awesome weapons system. There is a video on here where a guy swaps from .308 to .338 in minutes and is ringing steel at a 1,000 yards with no change in zero between the two.
Re: Barrett MRAD or AI AX308
AI AX for sure, here's mine (crappy cell phone pic, sorry) with the AI 260 24" barrel on it. It also has a AI 308 20" barrel as well. It is a laser, and fun to shoot!
AI AX for sure, here's mine (crappy cell phone pic, sorry) with the AI 260 24" barrel on it. It also has a AI 308 20" barrel as well. It is a laser, and fun to shoot!
Re: Barrett MRAD or AI AX308
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Juniors</div><div class="ubbcode-body">AI AX for sure, here's mine (crappy cell phone pic, sorry) with the AI 260 24" barrel on it. It also has a AI 308 20" barrel as well. It is a laser, and fun to shoot!
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That's a great looking rifle. I especially like it's ability to blend well with floral prints and a teddy bear while still maintaining a military bearing and demeanor. The duality of man and all that.
honestly, both the AI and MRAD look good but there are quite a few more positives in the AI's favor right now, including factory suppressor mounts from surefire. I'm sure I'd love the Barrett if I decide I need another bolt gun down the line but one is it for me at the moment. Hopefully I can pick it up before December but it'll be a nice Christmas present at the moment, especially with retirement looming. By the way, is that the 5-25 PM II? I'm hoping to grab one in that color with the horus tremor reticle for myself as well.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Juniors</div><div class="ubbcode-body">AI AX for sure, here's mine (crappy cell phone pic, sorry) with the AI 260 24" barrel on it. It also has a AI 308 20" barrel as well. It is a laser, and fun to shoot!
That's a great looking rifle. I especially like it's ability to blend well with floral prints and a teddy bear while still maintaining a military bearing and demeanor. The duality of man and all that.
Re: Barrett MRAD or AI AX308
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alitis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So as a quick update... I guess I must have gone over the deep end... I contacted the dealer who was beyond gracious and accommodating... I now have a AI PSR kit on hold for me. I know I'm crazy... He gave me until the end of the year to pay this bad boy off which is beyond excellent. I should hopefully be settled financially with impending retirement and other matters within a couple of months so hopefully I'll have it before December and I'll be sure to post pictures when I do, provided I don't commit myself to an institution. I know I'll be happy with it either way and when I said I was jumping in full bore, I guess I didn't realize I'd sink up to my knees. Now to save up for a 5-25 tan S+B. </div></div>
As a matter of full discloser I do the barrel work for AINA.
Now that you're in this deep consider the possibility of two rifles. Dollar wise you're not that far off. As a long time shooter and as a long time extreme long range shooter I'd recommend an intermediate rifle and one dedicated for ELR. It just works out better that way.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alitis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So as a quick update... I guess I must have gone over the deep end... I contacted the dealer who was beyond gracious and accommodating... I now have a AI PSR kit on hold for me. I know I'm crazy... He gave me until the end of the year to pay this bad boy off which is beyond excellent. I should hopefully be settled financially with impending retirement and other matters within a couple of months so hopefully I'll have it before December and I'll be sure to post pictures when I do, provided I don't commit myself to an institution. I know I'll be happy with it either way and when I said I was jumping in full bore, I guess I didn't realize I'd sink up to my knees. Now to save up for a 5-25 tan S+B. </div></div>
As a matter of full discloser I do the barrel work for AINA.
Now that you're in this deep consider the possibility of two rifles. Dollar wise you're not that far off. As a long time shooter and as a long time extreme long range shooter I'd recommend an intermediate rifle and one dedicated for ELR. It just works out better that way.
Re: Barrett MRAD or AI AX308
I agree with Dave (who does excellent work for AINA). At the price of the PSR package you could have an AX in 260 and an AX in 338. Sure you'll need two scopes, but it's the better way to go in the end. Start with the 260 (or 6.5 creedmore) and an S&B. Then as funds allow and your skills dictate, then get the 338.
If you're having this discussion and these questions it's likely that you won't "need" the 338 for a good year from now. Build the fundamentals with the short action.
I agree with Dave (who does excellent work for AINA). At the price of the PSR package you could have an AX in 260 and an AX in 338. Sure you'll need two scopes, but it's the better way to go in the end. Start with the 260 (or 6.5 creedmore) and an S&B. Then as funds allow and your skills dictate, then get the 338.
If you're having this discussion and these questions it's likely that you won't "need" the 338 for a good year from now. Build the fundamentals with the short action.
Re: Barrett MRAD or AI AX308
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I agree with Dave (who does excellent work for AINA). At the price of the PSR package you could have an AX in 260 and an AX in 338. Sure you'll need two scopes, but it's the better way to go in the end. Start with the 260 (or 6.5 creedmore) and an S&B. Then as funds allow and your skills dictate, then get the 338.
If you're having this discussion and these questions it's likely that you won't "need" the 338 for a good year from now. Build the fundamentals with the short action. </div></div>
+100
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I agree with Dave (who does excellent work for AINA). At the price of the PSR package you could have an AX in 260 and an AX in 338. Sure you'll need two scopes, but it's the better way to go in the end. Start with the 260 (or 6.5 creedmore) and an S&B. Then as funds allow and your skills dictate, then get the 338.
If you're having this discussion and these questions it's likely that you won't "need" the 338 for a good year from now. Build the fundamentals with the short action. </div></div>
+100
Re: Barrett MRAD or AI AX308
I was thinking about the PSR but the more I look the more I'm leaning towards the multiple rifle approach as well. Just more practical.
I was thinking about the PSR but the more I look the more I'm leaning towards the multiple rifle approach as well. Just more practical.
Re: Barrett MRAD or AI AX308
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dave Tooley</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alitis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So as a quick update... I guess I must have gone over the deep end... I contacted the dealer who was beyond gracious and accommodating... I now have a AI PSR kit on hold for me. I know I'm crazy... He gave me until the end of the year to pay this bad boy off which is beyond excellent. I should hopefully be settled financially with impending retirement and other matters within a couple of months so hopefully I'll have it before December and I'll be sure to post pictures when I do, provided I don't commit myself to an institution. I know I'll be happy with it either way and when I said I was jumping in full bore, I guess I didn't realize I'd sink up to my knees. Now to save up for a 5-25 tan S+B. </div></div>
As a matter of full discloser I do the barrel work for AINA.
Now that you're in this deep consider the possibility of two rifles. Dollar wise you're not that far off. As a long time shooter and as a long time extreme long range shooter I'd recommend an intermediate rifle and one dedicated for ELR. It just works out better that way. </div></div>
Your suggestion makes sense although I don't have much room left in the safe at the moment for additional rifles and I won't until I relocate. I also typically prefer having one of a particular make/model of rifle and not over loading on the same style in different calibers. That's why I prefer the ability to quickly change calibers and mark my zero for the different calibers so I can change between the two rather than having to buy a whole other setup.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dave Tooley</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alitis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So as a quick update... I guess I must have gone over the deep end... I contacted the dealer who was beyond gracious and accommodating... I now have a AI PSR kit on hold for me. I know I'm crazy... He gave me until the end of the year to pay this bad boy off which is beyond excellent. I should hopefully be settled financially with impending retirement and other matters within a couple of months so hopefully I'll have it before December and I'll be sure to post pictures when I do, provided I don't commit myself to an institution. I know I'll be happy with it either way and when I said I was jumping in full bore, I guess I didn't realize I'd sink up to my knees. Now to save up for a 5-25 tan S+B. </div></div>
As a matter of full discloser I do the barrel work for AINA.
Now that you're in this deep consider the possibility of two rifles. Dollar wise you're not that far off. As a long time shooter and as a long time extreme long range shooter I'd recommend an intermediate rifle and one dedicated for ELR. It just works out better that way. </div></div>
Your suggestion makes sense although I don't have much room left in the safe at the moment for additional rifles and I won't until I relocate. I also typically prefer having one of a particular make/model of rifle and not over loading on the same style in different calibers. That's why I prefer the ability to quickly change calibers and mark my zero for the different calibers so I can change between the two rather than having to buy a whole other setup.
Re: Barrett MRAD or AI AX308
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alitis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So barrel changes on the AX can be done but obviously I'd want an armorer/gunsmith to do that... I didn't realize that was possible. I would need a long action to shoot 338 LM in the AX though correct? I couldn't have it converted to 338lm and switch easily between the two? Why is the 260 so popular compared to say the 338lm? </div></div>
Yes to the first. Yes to the second. No to the third (the .338 Lapua Magnum has a different bolt face than the .308/.260/.243 so I'm not sure there will ever be a switch-barrel option in the AX or the MRAD.) The .260 has been known to kick the wind better than .308 at those longer distances, so it's very popular because of that. The only reason why it wins over the .338 LM is what a prohibitively expensive venture it is even when reloading (albeit not nearly as bad as if buying loaded ammo.) In extreme distances the .338 LM will hands down whomp the .260 because the .260 goes trans-sonic much sooner, and so doesn't have the oomph out much past 1500 yds. But if you've never shot even out to 600 yds before, you need to realize that even with the best equipment out there the shot is limited to the shooter behind the trigger. Make sure you enjoy making those extreme distance shots before buying a rig that shoots ammunition easily $2.50-$7.50 per round.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alitis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So barrel changes on the AX can be done but obviously I'd want an armorer/gunsmith to do that... I didn't realize that was possible. I would need a long action to shoot 338 LM in the AX though correct? I couldn't have it converted to 338lm and switch easily between the two? Why is the 260 so popular compared to say the 338lm? </div></div>
Yes to the first. Yes to the second. No to the third (the .338 Lapua Magnum has a different bolt face than the .308/.260/.243 so I'm not sure there will ever be a switch-barrel option in the AX or the MRAD.) The .260 has been known to kick the wind better than .308 at those longer distances, so it's very popular because of that. The only reason why it wins over the .338 LM is what a prohibitively expensive venture it is even when reloading (albeit not nearly as bad as if buying loaded ammo.) In extreme distances the .338 LM will hands down whomp the .260 because the .260 goes trans-sonic much sooner, and so doesn't have the oomph out much past 1500 yds. But if you've never shot even out to 600 yds before, you need to realize that even with the best equipment out there the shot is limited to the shooter behind the trigger. Make sure you enjoy making those extreme distance shots before buying a rig that shoots ammunition easily $2.50-$7.50 per round.
Re: Barrett MRAD or AI AX308
Another option would be the DTA SRS as they have a .308/.260 bolt head and barrel that switches out to .338LM with out much work.
Another option would be the DTA SRS as they have a .308/.260 bolt head and barrel that switches out to .338LM with out much work.
Re: Barrett MRAD or AI AX308
What barrel lenght do you prefer at the AI AX 308?
What pros and cons are there comparing the 20", 24" and 26" .308 ?
Are you using the angled picatinny rail or getting the angle through the scopemount or both methods?
What barrel lenght do you prefer at the AI AX 308?
What pros and cons are there comparing the 20", 24" and 26" .308 ?
Are you using the angled picatinny rail or getting the angle through the scopemount or both methods?
