Basic Training Wound Management

[anthony_se]

Guys, sorry if this is the wrong place to post this. I'd like to get some basic med training in emergency management of trauma related injuries. I'm not looking for paramedic, EMS or anything like that, but rather how to use effectively an IFAK kit in the event that I shoot myself in the foot , or some one on my range does so. Any ideas? I'm in SE PA.

thanks, tony (whose "doc" status is that of "shrink") LOL

 

[partisan1911]

Re: Basic Training Wound Management

Find out where your local EMT/paramedic/fireman do their medical training and volunteer to be a test dummy for their certification. From there you can find information on some formal training.

 

[anthony_se]

Re: Basic Training Wound Management

Great idea, thank you, sir

 

[roggom]

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Not sure where you work but for the avg civilian an EMR or first responder's course would be best. http://www.nremt.org/nremt/about/reg_1st_history.asp

It is up and beyond the basic first aid, but not quite EMT. Some companies may even cover the cost as part of their disaster preparedness plan.

Why EMR?, well lets say you have your buddy teach you how to use your kit and bandage a wound, next day your are at the range and you hear a commotion and find out someone has just blew off part of his toe.

Great you grab your kit, luckily he had flip flops on (as all mall ninja gangsters shoot in), you bust out your new kit and properly bandage his wound. Ten seconds later he keels over, cold and clammy, rapid shallow breathing, now what in the heck do you do? Well after you call 911. You have your kit in hand and everyone is staring at you.

In my earlier days as a Hospital Corpsman, I did my time at the range, day after day. Although most of the issues were related to the age of the Sailors and Marines (hung over and dehydration and skylarking), you may face other situations with older shooters.


If the EMR course is not what you desire, then maybe the local Red Cross will have a listing for basic first aid.

 

[anthony_se]

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excellent, I'm outside Philly in Montgomery County, and our local community college has a series of training opportunities ranging from First Responder to Paramedic and beyond. I'll ring em up to find out what the class schedule is because their site doesn't list it

thanks for the info

 

[doc76251]

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Concur with Senior. Patching the bullet hole is the easy part it's all the other stuff that happens after that until the ambulance gets there that is the hard part. Bullet holes are also about 0.01% of what you will run into, you are more likely to run into heat stress, bug bites (with reactions) diabetic issues and cardiac stuff. Some stuff you can do things for others you cant. Get a good foundation and then if you feel the need look into a tac medic type course. First aid is a good thing for anyone and IMHO should be as mandatory as drivers ed in school.

Cheers,

Doc

 

[anthony_se]

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Well, when I finish up with these two forensic cases I'm involved with, I'm gonna have a whole bunch of time on my fully retired hands, and figured I could do something useful with my time. So enrolling in a full-fledged training curriculum seems like the smart thing to do. hehe, I just checked the website and fortunately I pass the first entrance requirement: I'm over 16 yoa

So, yeah, I hear you all loud and clear,

 

[Andy Warhog]

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Check your local ag vet/feed store, most have suture kits, antiseptics, and penicillin. Carry some tampons (without applicators), they're great for plugging bullet holes. Check with training groups for combat medic/combat aidsman courses. Ems or first responder courses would be a great start.

 

[Cserv]

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After some proper training, BassPro is now stocking QuickClot. A handy addition to your kit.

 

[Andy Warhog]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cserv</div><div class="ubbcode-body">After some proper training, BassPro is now stocking QuickClot. A handy addition to your kit. </div></div>
Don't use quickclot or any other chem coterizer unless you can't control the bleeding with a tourniquet and bandages or are too far out from an aid station of some sort. That stuff tears up flesh, gets the job done in a pinch though

 

[kamonjj]

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I'm sure you can find basic first aid classes in your area. Hypothermia is something to watch out for too.

 

[THE MGD]

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I agree with roggom,
If you want to correctly learn how to do this go to a community college and get a emt basic. My cost with books and supply cost me approx $1500.
Otherwise carry barriers (gloves, ect), heavy dressings, a tampon or two, and a cell phone. Call ems and apply pressure. Basic first aid. Leave the suturing (stiches) and trauma care to the proffessionals. Your job should be to summon help and keep the victim safe (safe his weapon) if trained keep pressure on wounds to keep him from "bleeding out". The emts only "stabilize and transport". The nurses and doctors do the "miricle work"

 

[anthony_se]

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thanks, guys, yep, local community college has several courses available up to and including paramedic. Jefferson Hospital in Philly has similar course offerings. Looks as though I've missed the first go around for sign-up, but I'm in plenty of time for the Spring offerings.

I appreciate you all's counsel..

tony

 

[THE MGD]

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Quick clot is a pain in the ass to scrub and patch. Also it burns , probably worse than the gunshot wound. If you got no one else around to apply pressure , you cannot control bleeding , or help is just not reasonably going to make it on time; then quick clot it. Its better than dying.

 

[harbinger]

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Search for courses called Combat Casualty Care. They usually last 2 or 3 days and cover exactly what you are looking for. In's and outs of the IFAK and BASIC procedures to keep someone alive long enough for medical assistance to get to you. I took one not too long ago and really enjoyed it.

 

[cb1000h]

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You can usually take what's called a first responders course through a community college
Or at the firefighter training facility for a fee of course. Also the American red cross has a fairly comprehensive first aid course as well as cpr these are usually low cost or free.
Of course you could volunteer at your local FD and they will train you in all of this. Volunteers are in short order in most counties that have unpaid crews.
It's a shame my vol. co is having CPR first aid course tonight
South Media Fire co Needs Volunteers
Delco fire training facility has a first responder course I think you can get in as a civilian with a fee. If you volunteer our company would pay

 

[Ridgeback80]

Re: Basic Training Wound Management

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: copdoc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Guys, sorry if this is the wrong place to post this. I'd like to get some basic med training in emergency management of trauma related injuries. I'm not looking for paramedic, EMS or anything like that, but rather how to use effectively an IFAK kit in the event that I shoot myself in the foot , or some one on my range does so. Any ideas? I'm in SE PA.

thanks, tony (whose "doc" status is that of "shrink") LOL </div></div>i have not taken this course yet but a few friend have they say it's excellent! www.prnmed.com Dave turner and chuck fenwick, its about 7 hrs from your location , from what i have heard its well worth the time and money!

 

[DeputyDawg]

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4 Words: Quik Clot Combat Guaze


I have gone through the training and instruct for my dept. I would avoid th stuff at cabela's, gander Mtn, etc. As the stuff sold there is Gen 2 quik clot. Not bad but guaze is better. It's a lot of info, I would be happy to discuss if you want more info. Feel free to pm. Hope this helps and would help anyone interested.

Charlie

 

[Ghost Bullet]

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Check Out This Site:
http://www.insightstraining.com/view_course.asp?courseID=11

Bellevue, WA
May 05, 2012
Instructor: InSights Staff

 

[swimmer105]

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Get an EMT/Paramedic book and read through all of it. When you are finished reading it you will have a much better understanding of how everything works. In turn, it will not only help you learn how to use life saving measures but it would also help you learn how to improvise when the things you need are not present.