Anyone using a BAT hammerhead action yet? The specs look pretty sweet. I have a BAT igniter action that I really like. The 75 degree bolt throw seems to be the new trend.
BAT hammerhead action
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Not sure if anyone else has the urge to buy new shit when it comes out. Then sell it a year later when you realize you don't need it? I'm thinking about doing it now 
I've never owned a BAT... why is it so much? I'm in the market and if the juice is worth the squeeze... but it'll have to be a lot better than the CDG and even more appealing than the new atxc if I'm gonna plop down 2k on an action.
I'm going to say that there is a little more effort put into producing one, but I'm sure some will take offense to that. Since I've only handled a BAT once, my opinion is going to be very limited.
BAT actions pop up on the firing lines in benchrest or f-class a lot more than your CDG. That doesn't mean that you're average Joe (me) is going to be able to shoot the difference.
I own an AT-X, an older Surgeon, and an Origin. I like all of them, and would have zero issues recommending them to others...especially if you're primarily shooting for fun or in PRS matches. To me, BAT is a company trying to branch out into another (probably more lucrative) market segment with this action. It makes sense, and I'm sure you're getting top quality.
You are just going to have to decide if it is worth the extra money. To me and my skill level...it is not.
i know this sounds stupid but I'm mainly looking for light bolt lift In this next action, and the ability to run 6br in aw mags. I'm most likely just going to order a new atxc because i love the AI and id like to feel this new iteration. I'm trying to justify getting away from AI and saving a buck, plus buying american either with the impact, cdg, or bat or whatever.
plus I'd like to try a foundation.
too many top tier options in the race gun category nowadays...
plus I'd like to try a foundation.
too many top tier options in the race gun category nowadays...
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being a BAT I'd bet it runs buttery smooth. Definitely has some nice features. Short/Long bolt stop and the mag stop screw. Modular bolt, I assume that means changeable bolt head/ face. Definitely interesting, whether it's worth it or not is up to you. Not likely you'd see a difference on target. There is something to be said running same as most for parts if needed.
Do you really need quick change? like do you ever actually change at the range?I hate to admit it but I'll probably save my pennies for a few more years and try to snag an atxc on a black Friday deal or whatever. I enjoyed my AI more than any other rifle ever, but on the same token I'd love to save a buck and get lighter bolt lift so idk
I wouldn't BAT an eye at the price if it had a quick change barrel feature... at 2k+ for an action I feel like it should have a longer shank(I'd sleep better at night) and a quick change barrel feature...
thanks for helping me.
An action wrench and barrel vise solves that pretty easy
if I had quick change I could keep barrels in 6br and 6 creedmoor depending on how much wind and distance I'll be fighting. that was the only benefit to the AI was specing it out the night before a match and not having to confirm zero. I have several AI barrels already g2g but I could get rid of those easily enough... decisions, decisions. good thing I'm in no hurry. then again if I just choose carefully I could probably buy 2 guns for the price of 1 AI...
Not going to lie: I've used the QC feature on my AT-X far more often to show how frigging cool I was - that I could take the Allen key out of my cheek rest and spin a barrel off and on...than I have actually swapping barrels for legitimate reasons.
That being said, the QC feature is the tits.
@Cody S have you looked at the Terminus Zeus QC? Probably has what you're looking for with a slightly easier price tag than the BAT.
I'm struggling to understand why you wouldn't check out the CDG with the pivoting bolt configuration? It checks literally every feature you said you wanted besides "I want it to be an AI."
A bit off-topic, but these are my thoughts.
I can see other reasons but IMO that change doesn't result in any measureable amount of impacts.
I just ran them in my calculator. at 500 yards If you give a 10-15mph 9 oclock wind the BR is about 1-1.44 mil and the creed is .86-1.25 so that gives you an advantage of .05 mil in a 5mph switchy wind at that distance. At 1000 its 0.15 mil advantage.
I'd pick a cartridge and stick with it.
maybe I forgot to mention I've owned a mousingfield and it was fkn awesome, wish I kept it, the arc CDG is at the top of my list simply for features and price and I can buy two guns, 6br and 6 creed if I'm careful with choices.
but I've had AI too and they're just...
yeah I have no idea what I'll buy to shoot next year
re-run your numbers with a .320 g7 bc and MV of 3125fps and tell me it's frivolous.
the ONLY reason I don't shoot it exclusively is barrel life.. my custom barrels, it costs me about 60 cents of barrel wear per shot..(if I keep it cool)
fwiw I have always ran 6 creed exclusively but after going through my last 6 bartleins I'm rethinking things is all.
Nobodies goal when buying an action should be seeking more precision. All else equal, an Impact isn't going to be more precise then a Savage.
It's about the features of the action.
PS - I know you know this @Taylorbok, this isn't directed at you, just emphasizing on a point you are making here.
what bullet has that BC? can you run em that fast in a 6 creed?
What velocity/ Bullet you want in the BR?
I based my numbers off a 108 ELDM going 2750 and 3k.
It will provide an advantage just not a large one, IMO you'd be better served by sticking with one cartridge, go for the creed if your that worried about the wind. If I was looking to do better in switchy wind I saw Derek Webster is playing with a 7mm shooting 180's at 2750 ish, I'd look at that a bit, I'd have to run the numbers.
keep talking and maybe I'll do the wise thing and just buy another savage... lord knows I'm not a great shot anyways.
fwiw my local range matches are 10 shots at 400, 600, 800, and a grand. no sighters, kyl style. wind makes a big deal. on calm days those br shooters hold their own..
if I had a br I could practice more economically was my thoughts.
bullet is a 115 grain dtac. I can go to just shy of 3200 in my custom 28" barrels, I would not recommend you try. accuracy was the best at the 3125 node, just stellar all around. recoil is a bit much for 400 yard shots on a 2" circle out of dads Tikka, and still see impacts at close range with full power scope(his eyes..) so we added 20 lbs of lead. new problems.. I digress.
grain twists do weird things for max safe velocity.
I will put the whiskey down. after this last one.
fwiw my local range matches are 10 shots at 400, 600, 800, and a grand. no sighters, kyl style. wind makes a big deal. on calm days those br shooters hold their own..
if I had a br I could practice more economically was my thoughts.
bullet is a 115 grain dtac. I can go to just shy of 3200 in my custom 28" barrels, I would not recommend you try. accuracy was the best at the 3125 node, just stellar all around. recoil is a bit much for 400 yard shots on a 2" circle out of dads Tikka, and still see impacts at close range with full power scope(his eyes..) so we added 20 lbs of lead. new problems.. I digress.
grain twists do weird things for max safe velocity.
I will put the whiskey down. after this last one.
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That's a sexy bullet. I've never looked at the DTAC's much. That's a whole different match set up, I assumed PRS style. Ya I'd go for the 6CM also. The savings between the 2 I don't think would amount to the price of the barrel over it's lifetime but I'm not gonna get deep in the weeds on that one.
I really like the dtac... they aren't picky about seating depth, like a long 40-80 thou jump (in my gain twist starting at 9) and group within 1/4moa at 100 yards. plus the bc is to die for.
maybe I should just stick with the 6 creed after all.
fwiw, in my custom guns with my lot of powder 41.4 grains of h4350 is the ticket.
ETA in the br if I build or buy one ill likely go with the 105 hybrid. subject to change when I sober up and realize I can't read wind for shit and 60 cents per shot in barrel wear isn't *that* bad...
maybe I should just stick with the 6 creed after all.
fwiw, in my custom guns with my lot of powder 41.4 grains of h4350 is the ticket.
ETA in the br if I build or buy one ill likely go with the 105 hybrid. subject to change when I sober up and realize I can't read wind for shit and 60 cents per shot in barrel wear isn't *that* bad...
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I got to check out Corson Pipers setup. Cool action. The short bolt travel is pretty cool. The 75 degree throw and the short travel is cool and noticeable but not sure really how much time it’s saving cycling the bolt. Otherwise fit and finish is nice and tight and typical BAT standard. I run a TR right but I wouldn’t drop that action for the Hammerhead.
As far as I know, there is no free lunch. The less travel you have in a bolt throw, the heavier it becomes.
Some actions use little tricks that help a little. I believe some BAT actions and the 60° Terminus Zeus uses a roller bearing in the cocking piece to reduce friction.
A variety of the Bat cocking pieces
But one can reduce bolt lift effort by optimizing the interface between the bolt and the trigger. Bix n Andy TacSport triggers have different height sears available to help with this. Or you can somehow file the bottom of the cocking piece as well (top on the pic) which slides on the sear.
I’m no expert here, get more info.
Here’s a discussion on the topic.
