Gunsmithing Bedding Manners Mini Chassis?

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So here's the deal fellas. Going for a hands on lesson tomorrow, getting to watch my smith cut the chamber for my new 6XC that's going in a Bighorn Arms short action and a Manner's mini chassis.
I will have to open up the recoil lug area on the mill to accommodate the extra .030" of tenon length on the Bighorn, so I will have to bed the recoil lug area for sure. Should I just skim bed the whole thing? Or just from the front of the mag well to the recoil lug? What is the consensus on this? This is not my first bedding job, and have had very satisfactory results in the past. But I've never bedded a chassis type system before, so any input is appreciated.

-SBS
 
Re: Bedding Manners Mini Chassis?

Don't bed it. Shoot a 10 shot group, or a few 5 shot groups with it. Then bed it and shoot it again. I have a mini chassis and wouldn't mind seeing how that turns out. I'm sure a lot of people would like to see that. I know that might not be what you want/have the time to do but it is the only real way to figure anything out.

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Just noticed this part

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SagebrushShooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I will have to open up the recoil lug area on the mill to accommodate the extra .030" of tenon length on the Bighorn, so I will have to bed the recoil lug area for sure.</div></div>

Guess that kinda changes things
 
Re: Bedding Manners Mini Chassis?

Yeah, that's why I posed the question in the first place. If I didn't have to open up the recoil lug area to accommodate the extra tenon length I wouldn't bother with bedding it at all. The Bighorn's are so stiff and beefy I don't think the bedding would make much if any difference. However, I don't have a choice in bedding the recoil lug area, I have to. So my dilemma is, just do the recoil lug, or do the full length of the action?

-SBS
 
Re: Bedding Manners Mini Chassis?

I would expect the Bighorn action to be machined pretty damn well on the OD, so it would not seem to benefit from skim bedding. As far as the lug area goes, it would seem that you have three options:

1) Fill the existing lug area via TIG welding, then machine a new slot.

2) Open the lug area by machining, and then fabricate an insert that moves the lug opening forward the required amount. This can be secured via epoxy.

3) Open the lug area, and bed the lug with epoxy.
 
Re: Bedding Manners Mini Chassis?

DO NOT TIG weld the lug area of the stock!

The manner's chassis is a permanent addition to the composite stock it resides in. You cannot remove it. It is both epoxied and screwed to the outer shell.

If you go blazing with a TIG you will ruin the surrounding area of the composite.

IF your using a lug that is too big for the existing lug well, maybe consider using a different lug if the thing hasn't already been put together (the barreled action)

OR

Get a 1/4 3F high helix endmill and just enlarge the opening to accomidate the new lug. If your smith sets up the stock properly and rigidly, then this is a very, very simple operation.

You can finish it with an 1/8" EM if you go really carefully. This will avoid having to "dog bone" the corners to provide edge clearance on the lug.

This is how I do it:

Lay the receiver in the chassis. With the stock fixtured indicate off the face of the receiver. I stick a machinist parallel against that face to give me a wide/ground edge to run my indicator off of.

Run your indicator off the edge and adjust the fixture until you see zero movement on the needle. This qualifies that face and the stock at the same time. You want to go off the action since this is what the stock is supposed to be fitted to.

Once you have this you make an assumption. Surprisingly enough, most round actions are pretty darn consistent across the outside diameter. About the only time they get weird is when they are heavily polished (like on a dedicated blinged out Bench rig).

Even factory M700's are pretty darn good.

So, you can do this one of two ways. You could run your indicator along the top of the receiver's front ring to ensure your parallel or you could just go right off a flat surface on the bedding block. In either case your making the assumption that the "V" chassis is parallel. I personally would go off the receiver, but whatever.

Now that you have this, just skim the surface that the lug purchases against. Zero to ten thousanths isn't going to hurt a thing. It just means the action sits ever so slightly towards the rear. The action screw holes are blown out so oversize that it won't matter.

-Besides, it's not like manufacturers are holding guard screw locations to a true position of .001" anyway. (that would mean that in all 3 axis's the holes within .0003" of perfect location)

Just machine it nice and clean and move on with your life. It's not rocket science.

Pointers. A 3F high helix EM will leave a nice finish. Don't go blazing at high rpm as it will likely squeal like a pig. (tool chatter). Run it slow. Even the best fixturing when working on stocks invites chatter because you can't "put the mojo to it" like when holding a block of steel in a Kurt vice. You'd crush the stock and ruin it if you did.

Leather on the jaw surfaces helps quite a bit with stock work holding as it spreads the load a bit and conforms better to the outer shell.

Good luck and hope this helps.

C.
 
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Re: Bedding Manners Mini Chassis?

Does the lug thickness come rearward of a 700 face? Or just .030" forward of where a normal lug stops?

Why cant you just open it up to the front and not bed at all? Like you would with a thicker 700 lug in an AICS.

Sorry I don't know the specs on a Bighorn action. But if you're using a 700 mini chassis I assume its close as hell to a 700. Otherwise the mini chassis may not have been the best idea


 
Re: Bedding Manners Mini Chassis?

You have your decimal in the wrong place according to the BigHorn web site. They say that there action is .300 longer in the barrel tennon thus putting you that much further ahead of a standard Remington lug location. I am not familiar with either the mini-chassis or BigHorn actions, can you mill a new lug location and leave the old lug area alone? In other words if the old lug area is .250 long and your action is already .300 longer that will leave you a .050 wall for your new lug to come up against. If it was me and the above sentence worked I would just bed the front and fill the old lug area in the process.
 
Re: Bedding Manners Mini Chassis?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tac284</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You have your decimal in the wrong place according to the BigHorn web site. They say that there action is .300 longer in the barrel tennon thus putting you that much further ahead of a standard Remington lug location. I am not familiar with either the mini-chassis or BigHorn actions, can you mill a new lug location and leave the old lug area alone? In other words if the old lug area is .250 long and your action is already .300 longer that will leave you a .050 wall for your new lug to come up against. If it was me and the above sentence worked I would just bed the front and fill the old lug area in the process. </div></div>

Ummm.... Yeah... The decimal place was wrong. The thread tenon on the Bighorn is .300" longer than a Remy not .030". I just finished chambering about an hour ago and opening up the lug area in the Manners on the mill. I'm just gonna bed from the front of the mag well to the rear of the recoil lug. Never done this before on a mini-chasis, so if anyone has any secret suggestions on how to get Devcon to adhere to an aluminum block let me know? I'll be mixing and bedding in about an hour or so.
Thanks for all the replies fellas, I'm sorry about the misprint in the tennon length. It kinda changes the entire problem when you realize is .300" not .030".

-SBS
 
Re: Bedding Manners Mini Chassis?

You could PM Thomas Manners on here, he might know someone who has done this exact operation. Probably better to get as much input as you can before you start the bedding.

EDIT: I need to pay better attention. Just realized your last post saying T-1 hour, was from last night. Hope it turned out like you need it.
 
Re: Bedding Manners Mini Chassis - Done!

Well, it's done. Happy with how it turned out. A little Devcon, some sandpaper and it wasn't much different that a standard pillar bed. Just took less time and less bedding compound. Also included a pic of the finished stick. Load development underway already and this will be an easy 1/4 MOA gun when I'm driving it correctly.

[img:left]http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g419/vonbalkenbush/T5-Bedding.jpg?t=1343026869[/img]
 
Re: Bedding Manners Mini Chassis?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: C. Dixon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">DO NOT TIG weld the lug area of the stock!

The manner's chassis is a permanent addition to the composite stock it resides in. You cannot remove it. It is both epoxied and screwed to the outer shell.

If you go blazing with a TIG you will ruin the surrounding area of the composite.
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Thanks for the correction, Chad - I had the typical chassis in mind when I floated that idea.