Benchguns, anyone into em?

GUNNER75

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    I don't have one, and the local range is setting up for 600 benchrest. What the hell, I'll play. Always wanted to build one and have the opportunity to do so fairly quick.

    Anyone into it? This is my recipe so far, subject to change. Please give me your thoughts on this type of project.

    -6BR
    -Nesika round action, right bolt, left port, single shot, square tang.
    -Shilen 8 twist, 28" long, #7HV, 1.250 to 5" and .875 @31" (or have a #17 or #18 Kreiger 8 twist available)
    -Brake? Maybe.
    -Jewell Trigger (no safety or bottom safety)
    -Stock, ???? Haven't built one yet, may run something different, similar to Shehane Tracker???
    -Scope, 45x Leupold or NF 12-42x56 NXS
    -Kelby rings or Nightforce
    -already have a great rest, rear bags, etc.
    -6BR Lapua brass, etc.
    -Thoughts?

    We shoot Varmint Silhouette out here, but only shoot once a month. This will get me in the game at least twice a month.
    I love the Varmint Silhouette matches we shoot, currently running a .243/Surgeon/Bartlien 8 twist and doing very very well.
     
    Re: Benchguns, anyone into em?

    That would do pretty nicely. I do a little 600 yard BR. I run a Stiller Viper drop port in 6.5x47 in a Shehane Tracker with a 8.5 twist Krieger that is .950 at 30" I did have to add a little weight in the butt to ballance it out right though. This wasn't a major issue as I'm still only at 14.8 pounds. I do have a Harrels brake on mine, but only shoot light gun. If I built it again I'd probably get rid of the brake so I could use it in both light and heavy in the same configuration.

    There are a lot of guys running the 6BR and it's variants in the 600 yard game.
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    Re: Benchguns, anyone into em?

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GUNNER75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't have one, and the local range is setting up for 600 benchrest. What the hell, I'll play. Always wanted to build one and have the opportunity to do so fairly quick.

    Anyone into it? This is my recipe so far, subject to change. Please give me your thoughts on this type of project.

    -6BR </div></div><span style="color: #FF0000">YES. Best 600m cartridge available. And like Dave said, go with the .272 neck and a .104 freebore. This will allow you to shoot the heavies, and keep brass prep to a minimum. With a .104FB, you can can seat the heavies long, and maintain case capacity for the hot loads (31gr Varget and up). Who really wants to turn necks when a no turn neck and the Lapua brass is just as competitive as the neck turned stuff?</span>
    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GUNNER75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">-Nesika round action, right bolt, left port, single shot, square tang.</div></div> <span style="color: #FF0000">Decent choice, but BAT is the top dog, and only a few dollars more. Also consider the RBLPRE version. The Right Eject is nice to have for cycling purposes on a right handed shooter. If you go with a Stiller, the Viper is offered in a drop port which is nice as well.</span>
    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GUNNER75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">-Shilen 8 twist, 28" long, #7HV, 1.250 to 5" and .875 @31" (or have a #17 or #18 Kreiger 8 twist available)</div></div> <span style="color: #FF0000">Savageguy over on 6mmbr.com has Kreigers in stock. Make sure to know your class/range weight requirements. You may be able to go a little heavier depending on the weight of the rest of the components. If you like shooting the Lapua Scenar, they favor a tight bore (.236) otherwise the standard bore (.237) will launch anything but the </span>
    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GUNNER75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">-Brake? Maybe. </div></div><span style="color: #FF0000">Not allowed in most BR classes, but check the class you want to compete in and local/club rules. Not needed for a 6BR anyways. Again, a weight factor that you could avoid. </span>
    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GUNNER75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">-Jewell Trigger (no safety or bottom safety) </div></div><span style="color: #FF0000">Go with the no safety option.</span>
    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GUNNER75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">-Stock, ???? Haven't built one yet, may run something different, similar to Shehane Tracker??? </div></div><span style="color: #FF0000"> Shehane makes a fantastic stock. Also, McMillan and there are some really nice redwood/carbon fiber laminates that are pretty cool for a one-off custom look.</span>
    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GUNNER75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">-Scope, 45x Leupold or NF 12-42x56 NXS </div></div> <span style="color: #FF0000"> I won't get on my soap box with the 45x Leupold, but I quit using them when I shot BR due to canted reticles. They also suffer from the Parralax backlash issue that plagues the SF Leupolds. I would avoid the NXS at least right now, as they only offer .250 MOA adjustments. In the BR game, precision is everything and .125MOA adjustments are where its at. Plus, the BR model is cheaper. So for the NF line, I would get a BR model. Another hot option is the BR lineup from March</span>
    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GUNNER75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">-Kelby rings or Nightforce </div></div> <span style="color: #FF0000">Keep them as light as possible. Good sturdy rings are must, but you don't need the heavy duty ones as they weigh too much.</span>
    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GUNNER75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">-already have a great rest, rear bags, etc. </div></div> <span style="color: #FF0000">These are paramount, and can be expensive. Its nice to start off with a nice set.</span>
    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GUNNER75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">-6BR Lapua brass, etc. </div></div> <span style="color: #FF0000">Yes.</span>
    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GUNNER75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">-Thoughts? </div></div> <span style="color: #FF0000">Keep the weight out of the optics, bases, and rings, and keep it in the gun. Don't think hanging a huge tube off a flimsy stock is a good idea. A well balanced stock is just as important as the heaviest contour barrel you can get.

    These are my opinions. There are tons of good options out there. The guys over at 6mmbr will really help you out. YMMV</span>

     
    Re: Benchguns, anyone into em?

    I shoot a little 600 and 1000 bench rest. Pretty much all we have right here in this area.

    This is a rifle I sold last year....

    6XC
    BAT MB action
    Krieger 28" 1:7.5 twist
    McMillan Tooly MBR stock
    Jewell trigger at 2oz.

    Shot 115 DTAC's at around 3000fps. Best five shot group at 1000 yards was just under 4". Under 2" at 600.

    Take care,Stan




     
    Re: Benchguns, anyone into em?

    1-8 twst HV Krieger finished at 27"
    Receiver as a single shot, no eject, coned bolt/breech, fluted bolt body.
    Chambered in 6 Dasher with .104" free bore, .272" NT Neck
    Shehane ST1000 Laminate Stock Pillar Bedded
    Aluminum or SS But Plate
    ADL Trigger Guard
    Jewell 2oz BR Trigger
    NF High Ultra Rings
    BR NF Scope 12x42x56
     
    Re: Benchguns, anyone into em?

    It's not realy a BR gun but mine is a
    Savage Target Model 12 right bolt left port
    Chambered in 6mmBr
    26" 1-8 twist Pac-nor HV barrel
    McM A5 stock
    it has a 20X SS but its getting a BR NF 8-32X when money frees up.
     
    Re: Benchguns, anyone into em?

    The barrel is a straight 1.250"...and HEAVY. Rifle with the NF 12-42X BR scope weighed about 19 lbs. So it would not make weight for light gun. I shot in heavy and unlimited class.

    Not sure of the color percentage of the stock. It is a heck of a shooter. The gent I sold it to shoot it in the nationals this last year and did pretty good.

    Take care,Stan
     
    Re: Benchguns, anyone into em?

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: brand692</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GUNNER75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't have one, and the local range is setting up for 600 benchrest. What the hell, I'll play. Always wanted to build one and have the opportunity to do so fairly quick.

    Anyone into it? This is my recipe so far, subject to change. Please give me your thoughts on this type of project.

    -6BR </div></div><span style="color: #FF0000">YES. Best 600m cartridge available. And like Dave said, go with the .272 neck and a .104 freebore. This will allow you to shoot the heavies, and keep brass prep to a minimum. With a .104FB, you can can seat the heavies long, and maintain case capacity for the hot loads (31gr Varget and up). Who really wants to turn necks when a no turn neck and the Lapua brass is just as competitive as the neck turned stuff?</span>
    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GUNNER75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">-Nesika round action, right bolt, left port, single shot, square tang.</div></div> <span style="color: #FF0000">Decent choice, but BAT is the top dog, and only a few dollars more. Also consider the RBLPRE version. The Right Eject is nice to have for cycling purposes on a right handed shooter. If you go with a Stiller, the Viper is offered in a drop port which is nice as well.</span>
    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GUNNER75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">-Shilen 8 twist, 28" long, #7HV, 1.250 to 5" and .875 @31" (or have a #17 or #18 Kreiger 8 twist available)</div></div> <span style="color: #FF0000">Savageguy over on 6mmbr.com has Kreigers in stock. Make sure to know your class/range weight requirements. You may be able to go a little heavier depending on the weight of the rest of the components. If you like shooting the Lapua Scenar, they favor a tight bore (.236) otherwise the standard bore (.237) will launch anything but the </span>
    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GUNNER75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">-Brake? Maybe. </div></div><span style="color: #FF0000">Not allowed in most BR classes, but check the class you want to compete in and local/club rules. Not needed for a 6BR anyways. Again, a weight factor that you could avoid. </span>
    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GUNNER75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">-Jewell Trigger (no safety or bottom safety) </div></div><span style="color: #FF0000">Go with the no safety option.</span>
    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GUNNER75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">-Stock, ???? Haven't built one yet, may run something different, similar to Shehane Tracker??? </div></div><span style="color: #FF0000"> Shehane makes a fantastic stock. Also, McMillan and there are some really nice redwood/carbon fiber laminates that are pretty cool for a one-off custom look.</span>
    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GUNNER75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">-Scope, 45x Leupold or NF 12-42x56 NXS </div></div> <span style="color: #FF0000"> I won't get on my soap box with the 45x Leupold, but I quit using them when I shot BR due to canted reticles. They also suffer from the Parralax backlash issue that plagues the SF Leupolds. I would avoid the NXS at least right now, as they only offer .250 MOA adjustments. In the BR game, precision is everything and .125MOA adjustments are where its at. Plus, the BR model is cheaper. So for the NF line, I would get a BR model. Another hot option is the BR lineup from March</span>
    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GUNNER75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">-Kelby rings or Nightforce </div></div> <span style="color: #FF0000">Keep them as light as possible. Good sturdy rings are must, but you don't need the heavy duty ones as they weigh too much.</span>
    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GUNNER75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">-already have a great rest, rear bags, etc. </div></div> <span style="color: #FF0000">These are paramount, and can be expensive. Its nice to start off with a nice set.</span>
    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GUNNER75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">-6BR Lapua brass, etc. </div></div> <span style="color: #FF0000">Yes.</span>
    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GUNNER75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">-Thoughts? </div></div> <span style="color: #FF0000">Keep the weight out of the optics, bases, and rings, and keep it in the gun. Don't think hanging a huge tube off a flimsy stock is a good idea. A well balanced stock is just as important as the heaviest contour barrel you can get.

    These are my opinions. There are tons of good options out there. The guys over at 6mmbr will really help you out. YMMV</span>

    </div></div>

    Great advice, print it, do it, and move on.
     
    Re: Benchguns, anyone into em?

    Gunner75,
    My name is Ian Kelbly and our company (Kelbly's Inc) specializes in bench rifles. If you would like to discuss options and optimal setups please email me or give me a call. I would love to help you with this project. We recently have had an Australian customer shoot a new Aussie record at 1000yards using our rig. He shot a 2.067" 5-shot group, with one of our Stolle actions and a March 8x-80x scope. My number is 330-683-4674 or email is [email protected]

    Looking forward to hearing from you!
    -Ian