Getting into the long range game, I have looked at what seems like every type of gun and optic. I came across the AXMC and I'm wondering what the benefit would be. I can see how if a person wanted to shoot 2 different calibers it would be nice to just screw on a barrel and your'e ready to go. I would assume that whatever scope you had on the rifle the POI would be off, so you would have to adjust your turrets. Which sounds easy enough, but I would assume that would eliminate one of the best options of the scope...the Zero stop. You could never set it for one caliber because you might have to adjust beyond that for the next caliber. I guess you could just buy 2 scopes with bases that quick released. I'm looking at this from a money standpoint, by the time you bought the rifle, extra barrel(assuming you wanted 2 different calibers), scopes and bases you could probably have 2 custom rifles for the same money. If you bought the AX you are pretty much married to the rifle, chassis and calibers unless you wanted to sell the rifle. Where on a custom you can change stock and cerakote colors later if you wanted. I am in NO way trying to bash the AI AX, I think it's an awesome rifle and I'm currently having AO build me a rifle in the AX chassis. It just seems like a cool idea to have the MC systems, but will be too costly and complicated for the masses to enjoy.
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Benefits of the New AI AXMC?
- Thread starter Lrdchaos
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Not at all...
Those that are looking at The AXMC and AT from the point of switch barrels know exactly what they are getting. A better way to look at is that your getting the top of line factory rifle with battle tested and proven reliability and accuracy with the added benefit of changing calibers.
The Military wanted caliber conversions to help reduce training costs and this rifles excel at this.
There are many optics that allow quick rezero and as the AXMC, AT and along with the success of the DTA continue to grow, I would imagine that the optics community will continue to progress to keep up.
As far as cost... not having to buy two scopes for your two custom rifles is savings enough
The only thing that kept me from jumping on the new AI is that I really am not a fan of the chassis...but in all honesty my next short action will be an AI to utilize the quick change barrels
Those that are looking at The AXMC and AT from the point of switch barrels know exactly what they are getting. A better way to look at is that your getting the top of line factory rifle with battle tested and proven reliability and accuracy with the added benefit of changing calibers.
The Military wanted caliber conversions to help reduce training costs and this rifles excel at this.
There are many optics that allow quick rezero and as the AXMC, AT and along with the success of the DTA continue to grow, I would imagine that the optics community will continue to progress to keep up.
As far as cost... not having to buy two scopes for your two custom rifles is savings enough
The only thing that kept me from jumping on the new AI is that I really am not a fan of the chassis...but in all honesty my next short action will be an AI to utilize the quick change barrels
Any shift between the two barrels will be perfectly repeatable every time you switch. Log the shift, and adjust/reset the turrets when you swap barrels. It's as easy as that, you're making it way more complicated than it needs to be. No reason for QD mounts and different scopes. QD mounts and playing musical scopes will most likely cause a shift.
As for the benefit to the new AX. It and the pale brown make your dick at least 3" longer.
As for the benefit to the new AX. It and the pale brown make your dick at least 3" longer.
So many benefits to one if you are looking at multiple calibers, I don't have an AXMC, I have the AT as it suits my needs better. I currently have the rifle setup for 308 and 260 and the shift between calibers is really not an issue at all. On my particular rifle the shift has been 100% repeatable: Scope is zeroed for 260 and to change to 308 I dial .1 Mil up and .5 right. Has followed this consistently from the beginning and I've swapped barrels no less than 18 times so far. For me, being able to run the same S&B and two calibers on the same system is a huge savings.
If you don't want to come off of the cash I have a hell of a deal on a AT which has the same quick change features of the AX and quite a bit less money, like half the price less money.
I'm starting with an AXMC338 in pale tan … And I think I may be able to cut back on the testosterone supplements.
Barrels wear out, eventually, especially when you tend to push things. It's going to be great to be able to swap barrels out in less time than it takes to lace up your boots.
I can really see a guy getting by just fine for the rest of his field shooting career with one small block AT or AXMC and one big block AXMC plus two top shelf optics. And a few extra barrels for each chassis.
Barrels wear out, eventually, especially when you tend to push things. It's going to be great to be able to swap barrels out in less time than it takes to lace up your boots.
I can really see a guy getting by just fine for the rest of his field shooting career with one small block AT or AXMC and one big block AXMC plus two top shelf optics. And a few extra barrels for each chassis.
A quick question. I am weighting in between AI AX 338 LM vs AI AXMC 338 LM. Has any one actually remove the AI AXMC barrel and reinstall to see if there is any POI shift? I am leaning toward regular AX because I am worry there is a POI shift. I have checked on YouTube for over 3 month and there is no one posted video and shoe POI before and after barrel reinstall. Please chime in if you have any experience
Assuming you setup a 100 yard zero, your impact points are likely to be marginally different between the 2 calibers, so you might be able to get by pretty easily with just setting the zero at the lower of the 2 (or the one you use the most) and just remember in your notes to add something like +2 or -2 to your shooting solution when using the other caliber.
I would say going with the new AXMC would be the way to go if you have the money.
That being said, I'll probably never give up my AW dovetail setup as those are pretty much bombproof.
The AX series would be good if you don't have the money for the AXMC & find a good deal. But the quick change barrel is an amazing feature to have.
I would say going with the new AXMC would be the way to go if you have the money.
That being said, I'll probably never give up my AW dovetail setup as those are pretty much bombproof.
The AX series would be good if you don't have the money for the AXMC & find a good deal. But the quick change barrel is an amazing feature to have.
Sorry, I mean complete remove the barrel and reinstall the same barrel back. Thanks.
Some of you act as if this system wasn't extensively tested for the PSR Contract, and believe me, the AX PSR did extremely well, including in the accuracy department.
The system works, the system works as advertised, otherwise why would they have moved forward with it, when they could have easily dropped it after the PSR rifle.
I did private instruction with a PSR owner, we zeroed his one scope to the 338 barrel, and went back and forth with the 308, including doing it again to record the differences. The rifle performed flawlessly, to include a 1st round hit at 1440. He calibrated the AI system with both his 338 barrel and 308, using the same scope and FFS. Any POI shift would be minor at best and well within the shooter's personal accuracy.
We did all this right on the firing line, nothing but the allen key in the stock.
Some of you act as if your lives depend on this rifle hitting the X ring at 1000 yards, when in reality you couldn't do it without the question of the quick loc system. It works, the barrel goes back to where it belongs, if it shift a bit, it's a round and then it right were it belongs, how hard is it to make the adjustment and drive on. if you used the traditional version, you'd still need the barrel change kit, switching the barrel in your shop, and having to check zero anyway. Besides, if you got a Quick Loc AX what barrel would you be switching it too and why would you go back ? What barrel are you putting on your AX338 vs the AXMC that you would need to worry about a POI shift ? Not like the AX338 can be made to shoot a 308. Seems like a lot of worry for nothing as I fail to understand the reasoning or the question ?
Is the question whether you have a POI shift for no reason ? because of the difference with the Quick Loc or because you switched calibers ? Which in that case, hello zero change ?
Totally confused ... The DTA switches barrels and calibers, you still have to rezero, the same with any other rifle out there, if you take it apart, you have to check it.
It's a tool, an option, no where have I read you can shoot a 338, switch to 308 or some other caliber and hit in the exact same spot, then switch back and hit that spot again. As far as marketing and advertising goes I have not see AI claim that, however I will say the changes are minor, it's within very acceptable space.
The system works, the system works as advertised, otherwise why would they have moved forward with it, when they could have easily dropped it after the PSR rifle.
I did private instruction with a PSR owner, we zeroed his one scope to the 338 barrel, and went back and forth with the 308, including doing it again to record the differences. The rifle performed flawlessly, to include a 1st round hit at 1440. He calibrated the AI system with both his 338 barrel and 308, using the same scope and FFS. Any POI shift would be minor at best and well within the shooter's personal accuracy.
We did all this right on the firing line, nothing but the allen key in the stock.
Some of you act as if your lives depend on this rifle hitting the X ring at 1000 yards, when in reality you couldn't do it without the question of the quick loc system. It works, the barrel goes back to where it belongs, if it shift a bit, it's a round and then it right were it belongs, how hard is it to make the adjustment and drive on. if you used the traditional version, you'd still need the barrel change kit, switching the barrel in your shop, and having to check zero anyway. Besides, if you got a Quick Loc AX what barrel would you be switching it too and why would you go back ? What barrel are you putting on your AX338 vs the AXMC that you would need to worry about a POI shift ? Not like the AX338 can be made to shoot a 308. Seems like a lot of worry for nothing as I fail to understand the reasoning or the question ?
Is the question whether you have a POI shift for no reason ? because of the difference with the Quick Loc or because you switched calibers ? Which in that case, hello zero change ?
Totally confused ... The DTA switches barrels and calibers, you still have to rezero, the same with any other rifle out there, if you take it apart, you have to check it.
It's a tool, an option, no where have I read you can shoot a 338, switch to 308 or some other caliber and hit in the exact same spot, then switch back and hit that spot again. As far as marketing and advertising goes I have not see AI claim that, however I will say the changes are minor, it's within very acceptable space.
I have had my AI-PSR for about a year and love it. I shoot just about every weekend and have no issue with my zero and when I do most times its me. I like the fact I can shoot 4 calibers .338 LM,.300WM, .308WIN and 6.5CRM. I was going to buy 2 rifles but ended up with 4 for the same price.
Like I posted earlier in this thread as now have Frank and others, it's 100% repeatable even when swapping calibers. This quick change barrel feature is nothing new as AI has tested it extensively with the PSR program as mentioned. I've swapped barrels at least 18 times now and every time it is back to where it should be.
One advantage with a QC system is that the shooter can use different barrels for different events. If you have a barrel that is capable of BR World records you don't want to use it in rapid fire matches. Rapid fire is shot a barrel with high round count, etc. In Norway some shooters typically use barrels (QCB Sauer SSG3000/STR 6.5x55) with less than 2000 rounds for large matches, 2 - 4000 round barrels for small matches/rapid fire and 4000+ round still accurate barrels for training and plinking.
The QC barrels have actually contributed to the improved level of shooting simply because Average Joe Shooter now can put 15 - 20000 rounds through his rifle every year without "help" from a gunsmith. QC dropin SSG3000/STR match barrels are cheaper than custom fitted barrels to a R700 type rifle. Money saved is spent on ammo.
The QC barrels have actually contributed to the improved level of shooting simply because Average Joe Shooter now can put 15 - 20000 rounds through his rifle every year without "help" from a gunsmith. QC dropin SSG3000/STR match barrels are cheaper than custom fitted barrels to a R700 type rifle. Money saved is spent on ammo.
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