Suppressors Beretta 92/96/M9 Conversions

[Photon]

I've wanted to get a Beretta M9 for quite some time now, but because they are mildly difficult to find, i've been postponing my purchase.

Anyhows, I wanted to get the .40 conversion for the M9 or 92 version so I could qualify for some different scoring on different three gun competitions that i've looked at (points taken away for 9mm). Has anyone done anything similar with their M9/92? Is the frame/hammer the same on an M9 and 96? How does it effect the life of the trigger assembly and all? Are their options for 96 conversion down to 9mm?

That should get the conversation started...

 

[Photon]

Re: Beretta 92/96/M9 Conversions

Been reading on that "M9 Performance" thread as well. Apparently the M9 is not for beginner pistol shooters, they were suggesting some 'trainer' pistols to get used to the hand positioning and overall firing of the weapon. I've heard Sigs, Glocks, 1911's of all types, and just about everything else. I'd want something that I could use personally (.40 or .45) but also be able to train for accuracy and speed. I know that the Beretta 92/96 platforms have .22 conversions as well. Does anyone swear by that?

 

[CavalrySoldier3ACR]

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I have both used and instructed on the M9 pistol for over twenty years in both the Marine Corps and US Army. I am not sure why anyone would not consider it for novice shooters. I have always liked the safety features of the pistol and I have instructed novice shooters many time who have very quickly performed very well. The double stacked magazine makes for a thick grip, which can be more difficult for persons with small hands, but most people do not have any real difficulty. I think the .22 adapter is a very good after market feature that would make training easier and cheaper. I also like the platform for .40 S&W. It has been much miligned over the years by those who miss the 1911, but honestly, it is still a darn good pistol in my professional opinion. I have carried one in combat, and was quite happy to have it by my side. I would have prefered a .40 S&W version, but the Army frowns on people using non issued weapons.

 

[Downzero]

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You might want to check the rules in whatever competition you're shooting. Changing the caliber of a gun is typically not allowed.

In USPSA, the Beretta would be in production division, only minor power factor is used, so there'd be no advantage to changing to .40. Additionally, because the Beretta 92 was never offered in .40, installing a .40 barrel would result in you being moved to the open division.

In IDPA, there is no division (that I am aware of) where a Beretta 92 with a .40 barrel would be allowed.

I know some matches have franken-rules Outlaw etc., but under most pistol rules, a Beretta 92 with a .40 barrel is not allowed.

No offense to the major but if I had the power, the Beretta would have never been adopted. There were much better designs available then, and there certainly are better designs today. The grip on the Beretta is too big for nearly any woman and definitely too thick for me. The Beretta is chunky, large, and uses a very awkward safety. Almost anything would beat giving our fighting men and women a Beretta.

 

[Photon]

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So perhaps a Beretta 96, with a .22 conversion, might be the better option then?

There are quite a few applications that I see myself using the pistol for, I mean... just about everything. From hunting, to competitions, CCW, shooting for fun, training... An even better option might be to go with a more versatile platform that I can shoot multiple calibers from (after changing the barrels mind you).

 

[ROLEXrifleman]

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Beretta offred from the factory a .40/9mm combo. As such the barrels were marked COMBO.

The .40 is designated the model 96
while the 9mm is designated the 92

From what I remember the ejector is the only thing diffrent on the frame. The top ends are completely diffrent.

In theory you could purchase a 96 top end and with a mag run it on your 92 frame. I will see if I have any of my old data as it's been a while since I collected theses.

 

[Downzero]

Re: Beretta 92/96/M9 Conversions

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ROLEXrifleman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In theory you could purchase a 96 top end and with a mag run it on your 92 frame. I will see if I have any of my old data as it's been a while since I collected theses. </div></div>

Not in competition, you can't.

The Beretta 92 was not offered in .40 S&W.

The Beretta 96 was not offered in 9mm Luger.

Caliber conversions are not legal in USPSA Production nor any IDPA division.

You may never get caught unless an RO knows his stuff, but a caliber converted frame is not legal in the divisions in which it would most likely be shot.

 

[ROLEXrifleman]

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wasnt trying to answer the part on IDPA rules, just on if the gun will run.

Thanks for the info though.

 

[Photon]

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Any idea on three gun competitions? I didn't think they ran IDPA rules, but then again some competitions are different. Are there different divisions in Multi-gun or 3 gun like limited, (I know heavy exists somewhere), and any others?

I would probably keep the Beretta 96 as is for competition, in .40 SW, but I would want conversion kits for practice and all the other things I listed for use.

 

[Downzero]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Photon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Any idea on three gun competitions? I didn't think they ran IDPA rules, but then again some competitions are different. Are there different divisions in Multi-gun or 3 gun like limited, (I know heavy exists somewhere), and any others?

I would probably keep the Beretta 96 as is for competition, in .40 SW, but I would want conversion kits for practice and all the other things I listed for use. </div></div>

Most multi gun competitions run under USPSA rules or something very similar to USPSA rules. Production division rules do not allow caliber conversions.

The point is, if you want to compete with a double action or safe action gun, you cannot convert the frame to another caliber. I know it sounds stupid, but that's the way the rules are written.

Even if you had a Glock 17 and a Glock 22 (owned both) and swapped the slides and ejectors between them, you now would have two illegal guns. Whatever caliber the gun is at the competition must match whatever the frame is.

I've heard bad things about the reliability of converted guns anyway. I'd probably just buy another gun.

 

[srtsam]

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Dude head on over to berettaforums.net. All they do is talk about moding this and moding that. You can probably find all the parts you need as well, as new used whatever. For Beretta stuff its all there. hope this helps

 

[rijndael]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ROLEXrifleman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
From what I remember the ejector is the only thing diffrent on the frame. The top ends are completely diffrent.
</div></div>

Before 2000/2001, there were frame differences as well. The 96 frame had a wider feed ramp than the 92. There was talk in the early 2000s about going to the 96 feed ramp for the 92 as well, but it took them a long time to get there. Everything else on the frame is the same, the rest of the difference are indeed on the top end.

They offered a combo gun back in the 2000 time frame, it was a 96 gun, with a 92 slide. It never sold well.

I'm pretty familiar with the 9x platform. I wouldn't do this conversion, and I really won't go 357 SIG.. The life span of a 96 is significantly less than the life of a 92. I've been down the road of converting one to 357 SIG, it wasn't pretty, but that was about 10 years ago.

If you want further information, feel free to PM me. I'm not inclined to continue threads like this (about Beretta) because they always go to shit. If you head over to the BerettaForum, I can help you there as well, I think I'm still a global moderator, there are also a good number of bright folks over there.

 

[SuckitTrebek]

Re: Beretta 92/96/M9 Conversions

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Photon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Any idea on three gun competitions? I didn't think they ran IDPA rules, but then again some competitions are different. Are there different divisions in Multi-gun or 3 gun like limited, (I know heavy exists somewhere), and any others?

I would probably keep the Beretta 96 as is for competition, in .40 SW, but I would want conversion kits for practice and all the other things I listed for use. </div></div>

Most multi gun competitions run under USPSA rules or something very similar to USPSA rules. Production division rules do not allow caliber conversions.

The point is, if you want to compete with a double action or safe action gun, you cannot convert the frame to another caliber. I know it sounds stupid, but that's the way the rules are written.

Even if you had a Glock 17 and a Glock 22 (owned both) and swapped the slides and ejectors between them, you now would have two illegal guns. Whatever caliber the gun is at the competition must match whatever the frame is.

I've heard bad things about the reliability of converted guns anyway. I'd probably just buy another gun. </div></div>

By the way the glock 17 and 22 are not compatible my swapping barrels.

It's the 31 and 22 that are.

And there is absolutely nothing wrong with a beginner using the 92FS.
Plenty of shooters are qualified on it with no prior experience on the platform all the time in the military.

 

[ROLEXrifleman]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YourMotherTrebek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

By the way the glock 17 and 22 are not compatible my swapping barrels.

</div></div>

Breech face is diffrent here.

The .357 and .40 guns can be barrel swapped.

 

[762frmafr]

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i have an M9 for sale....PM sent.