Suppressors Beretta 92FS

#3
Re: Berretta 92FS

Nice gun for the $....I also have a 85F. The only few cons are

Some people have a hard time shooting the Beretta

the trigger pull sucks

9mm round is pretty weak compared to 45acp

Some people spell Beretta wrong!
 
#5
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I'm not a fan... but this is just my opinion:
- +1 on the poor trigger pull
- 9mm is not my first choice but does offer a relatively high
magazine capacity and ease of shooting. .40 is my go-to for all around use.
- Not a fan of the exposed barrel thru slide (personal pref.)
- Slide cracking issues / locking block failure. (Long term use: Military issue)
- SA/DA has its pros and cons : Totally personal preference
- External safety: Personal preference again
- Less aftermarket support compared to its competitors.
- Base model has no accessory rail... but I dont run a mounted light or laser so thats a non-issue for me
What are you comparing it to? Or just adding to the collection?
 
#8
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If you are just getting it for your collection,it's a great gun to have. Reliable, accurate, large magazine capacity, and a good looking gun that grabs attention. It's a big gun and not practical for concealed carry. It's better for bigger hands.

There are many more things to consider but it boils down to whether you like the gun, if so, get it.

Here it is next to a HK Mk 23 and HK USP in .40 S&W

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#9
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Dont worry about the slide cracking. only a dozen or so guns failed for the military and they prob had a billion +P rounds thru them. I luv my Beretta 87T, 92fs and 85f. Great guns for the money!
 
#12
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Just out of curiosity, out of all those IDPA shooters, how many of them were shooting Sigs, HKs, CZs, or other DA/SA designs?

I suspect very few. Learning two triggers sucks for competition.
 
#13
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2008 IDPA National data:
http://idpashooting.wordpress.com/2009/02/21/top-10-most-popular-idpa-guns/

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Code:</div><div class="ubbcode-body ubbcode-pre" ><pre>Rank Manufacturer Competitors
1st Glock 102
2nd Smith & Wesson 68
3rd Springfield 30
4th Kimber 23
5th STI 18
6th Sig Sauer 12
7th Wilson Combat 10
8th Colt 7
9th Beretta 5
10th= Caspian 4
10th= Rock River 4</pre></div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Code:</div><div class="ubbcode-body ubbcode-pre" ><pre>Rank Gun Make/Model Caliber Competitors
1st Glock 34 9mm 52
2nd Glock 17 9mm 32
3rd Smith & Wesson M&P 9mm 24
4th Smith & Wesson 625 45ACP 11
5th= Springfield XD 9mm 8
5th= Glock 35 40S&W 8
6th Smith & Wesson M&P 45ACP 7
7th= Smith & Wesson 686 .357 Mag 6
7th= STI Eagle 5.0 9mm 6
8th= Sig Sauer P226 9mm 5
8th= Springfield 1911 9mm 5
9th= Smith & Wesson 66 .357 Mag 4
9th= Kimber Custom II 45ACP 4
10th= Beretta 92G Elite II 9mm 3
10th= Caspian 1911 45ACP 3
10th= Glock 21 45ACP 3
10th= Glock 22 40S&W 3
10th= Kimber Stainless Target II 45ACP 3
10th= Rock River 1911 45ACP 3
10th= Smith & Wesson M&P 40 S&W 3
10th= Springfield XD 40 S&W 3
10th= STI 2011 9mm 3
10th= Wilson Combat CQB 45ACP 3</pre></div></div>
 
#15
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Pretty much made my point, Lindy. XDs, Glocks, and M&Ps rule the pile. Sig is distantly down the list with 12 people out of 359. HK is absent. Beretta is all but absent with 5 people.

I guess my point is shown empirically, at least for this sample. DA/SA guns are obsolete.
 
#16
Re: Beretta 92FS

They're fine guns. If you collect military firearms it's a must have.

I personally think that as long as you stick with respected companies no handgun is superior to another. It's all about what fits your hand and you shoot well with.

I wear a size 9 1/2 shoe but I wouldn't go around saying "You gotta get size 9 1/2! It's badass! If you don't wear a size 9 1/2 you're a FAG!" Yet some folks like to do with this with guns. (Not so much on this board, more on the more heavily trafficked ones)

As for the 9mm vs .40 vs .45, if I had any of them in my hands in a personal defense situation I wouldn't feel inadequate.
 
#17
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With the proper holster you can carry one for concealed carry. The M92 is a big gun but it is light weight. I have one that I bought merely because I collect military weapons and found that I like it. If you replace the trigger spring with the D-spring from the DAO model you will improve the trigger considerably. As a military pistol, it doesn't impress me much. I'm not a big 9mm fan but with +P ammo it will do the job. I prefer my 1911s and USPs but they are also big guns. If you like it and can shoot it then carry it and you will be far better armed than all the guys who buy Kimber .45s and carry Keltec .380s. I have been a concealed carry instructor since 1995 and see a lot of guys who just don't understand that you should carry the biggest caliber in the handgun that you can shoot with the most effect and conceal well. People get too hung up on their own comfort and forget the object is to win a gunfight not to carry a gun so small that you don't even notice it. Clint Smith is right, a pistol should be comforting not necessarily comfortable.
 
#18
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Long Action:
There has been more than few dozen failures with slides cracking. Some units had alot and changed to the Brigadier slide (with the commensurate problems of getting new holsters to fit them...
&!%@%#&@ arrg! Beretta'd again!)
 
#19
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pretty much made my point, Lindy. XDs, Glocks, and M&Ps rule the pile. Sig is distantly down the list with 12 people out of 359. HK is absent. Beretta is all but absent with 5 people.

I guess my point is shown empirically, at least for this sample. DA/SA guns are obsolete. </div></div>

"wheelguns" were rendered "obsolete" a LONG time ago.....and yet there they are on the list. Listing what a handful of IDPA guys use is hardly enough evidence to support much of anything.
 
#20
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IMHO the Beretta is an awesome pistol that'll make for tons of fun on the range. If you're bored of plinking with the P22, plinking with a 9mm will definitely break the monotony. The 92FS is great for plinking at the range; it's really a really affordable gun to get started with, has great ammo capacity, easily controllable recoil, super accurate, and it's easy to tear down and clean when the dust settles. The trigger does leave a little to be desired but once you get used to it you won't even notice. It's been around for a while but I still think it's a good looking, sexy gun. Lots of fun.
 
#23
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I bought a M9 so that I could train at home since thats what I deploy with, but for serious use I have a Glock 19. Ive spent a lot of time with the beretta but I still cannot draw and shoot as fast and as consistently as I can with the Glock; its been the same with every other platform Ive tried and own as well.
 
#25
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pointblank4445</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pretty much made my point, Lindy. XDs, Glocks, and M&Ps rule the pile. Sig is distantly down the list with 12 people out of 359. HK is absent. Beretta is all but absent with 5 people.

I guess my point is shown empirically, at least for this sample. DA/SA guns are obsolete. </div></div>

"wheelguns" were rendered "obsolete" a LONG time ago.....and yet there they are on the list. Listing what a handful of IDPA guys use is hardly enough evidence to support much of anything. </div></div>

Maybe you should hit up a match instead of running your mouth. I don't shoot IDPA, but if you don't think match shooting, especially at the national level, shows what is reliable at putting rounds on target, you are sadly mistaken.

Revolvers ARE obsolete for all practical purposes. It takes a lot more practice to drive one effectively than an automatic.
 
#26
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The M9 was the very first pistol I ever shot. I learned to shoot on it during my first two years in the Marine Security Forces. At some point I'd like to add one to my collection for nothing more than sentimental reasons.

I'd recomend it for just range duty. The trigger sucks and it's too big for concealed carry.
 
#27
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I own 2 of them one is an Inox and the other is a 90 Two. They work great and function great with a good deal of accuracy. I lover the open slide because it is so easy for me to clean it without taking it apart and it is just cool to me and i love the way the barrel hangs out of the frame a little bit.
 
#28
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The only 9MM I ever owned. Added Pachmyr steel backed grips and Adjustable Sights. Accuracy was good enough to chase Expert.

Basically it's a P-38 clone with a redesigned slide. Army MTU did some interesting things with the slide and barrel, creating something a bit like a cone barrel muzzle/slide forward engagement, and it helped accuracy quite a bit.

If I were to get back into handguns, I'd get a 92FS, a S/A 1911A1 45ACP, and a Smith 42.

Greg
 
#29
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I own 2 of them. 1 I carried on duty for 6 years and I bought it when we traded up to Glocks,the other is my dedicated 9mm suppressor host. It's great in that role.

If you want a fighting hangun,buy a Glock. Regardless of caliber choice. TJR
 
#33
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I personally think that as long as you stick with respected companies no handgun is superior to another. It's all about what fits your hand and you shoot well with.</div></div>

Well, that pretty well takes Beretta out of the picture...
 
#34
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I have Glocks, Sig Sauer's, Beretta 92 and Colt's. They are all nice pistols and I have never had a Glock or my Beretta jam on me so I would buy any of them again. But, that being said, I have picked up a couple of the XD's at recent gunshows and have been really impressed by how they feel in my hand. I would take a close look at one if I were you.
 
#35
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VTgunner</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've never had an problems with my M9 jamming or anything, granted I haven't had to use it in a combat situation yet, but in FTX's and ranges never once had an issue. </div></div>

You won't hear too many complaints on Berettas jamming,they have always been considered reliable pistols. The problems we had with ours in the Army are mostly a low bid magazine problem. If you are deploying and will carry one it would be wise to buy yourself 3 BERETTA MANUFACTURED magazines to replace the shitty ones Uncle Sugar will give you. Do that and maintain your weapon and it will do fine.

The main problem is it is 1940's technology,repackaged in the 1980's. It is too big for it's capacity(the .40 version is worse),it's trigger sucks balls,and it uses what most consider to be obsolete DA/SA trigger system. Retro fitting one with night sights is a trip to the factory job and factory guns are famous for pie plate accuracy.

It was a first rate wondernine,in 1988. Striker fired plastic rules the day now,for civilian and LEO use
 
#36
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 308longshot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm looking at getting a new pistol and I really like the looks of the 92FS. Just wanted to know the pros and cons of this gun. </div></div>

I carried a 92F on and off duty as a police officer in the 1980s with no issues.

I currently use an M9 (92fs) as my 9mm suppressor host - again no issues.
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My other "big" pistol in a Colt Government Model, so maybe I am old fashioned, but I do like metal guns. I finally got rid of my plastic guns.
 
#37
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Zeroed1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm not a fan... but this is just my opinion:
- +1 on the poor trigger pull

- Slide cracking issues / locking block failure. (Long term use: Military issue)
</div></div>


Wow, you gotta go back pretty far for that one.

I shot M9s in the Corps, not my favorite then, not my favorite now, I own one for "field of fire" applications, but much prefer 1911s.

They are, out of the box, very reliable, modestly accurate, and work as a carry gun should.

I hate Glocks, hate the grip angle, hate the trigger, but that's just me.

I agree there are better options for a carry gun and technology has come a long way since the 92.


It is a good gun, but there are many other good guns too.


Unless you have pretty big hands, don't consider the 92.
 
#39
Re: Berretta 92FS

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: trobertson5-0</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VTgunner</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've never had an problems with my M9 jamming or anything, granted I haven't had to use it in a combat situation yet, but in FTX's and ranges never once had an issue. </div></div>

You won't hear too many complaints on Berettas jamming,they have always been considered reliable pistols. The problems we had with ours in the Army are mostly a low bid magazine problem. If you are deploying and will carry one it would be wise to buy yourself 3 BERETTA MANUFACTURED magazines to replace the shitty ones Uncle Sugar will give you. Do that and maintain your weapon and it will do fine.

The main problem is it is 1940's technology,repackaged in the 1980's. It is too big for it's capacity(the .40 version is worse),it's trigger sucks balls,and it uses what most consider to be obsolete DA/SA trigger system. Retro fitting one with night sights is a trip to the factory job and factory guns are famous for pie plate accuracy.

It was a first rate wondernine,in 1988. Striker fired plastic rules the day now,for civilian and LEO use </div></div>


Oh yeah I never carry the standard issue mags for my M16A4 or M9. I always carry pmags and true berretta mags. I couldn't even make it through a qual without those pos's failing me.
 
#40
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I have a 92FS and my girlfriend has a Cougar.

She can limp-wrist stovepipe the Cougar almost every time if she's not careful.

She has yet, to date, been able to limp wrist stovepipe the 92fs


Very reliable piece. I have no issues with mine - hence why I've never sold it.

Sure, got a 1911 too but sometimes 9mm ammo is cheaper.


I've shot the 92F in combat handgun and it actually performed as well for me as the 1911, but we're talking military competition and military ammo/targets etc.

Ft RIchardson Alaska, 1988 - it served me well.

Did not think it to be as accurate as a decent 1911 but it still shot well.
 
#42
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pointblank4445</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pretty much made my point, Lindy. XDs, Glocks, and M&Ps rule the pile. Sig is distantly down the list with 12 people out of 359. HK is absent. Beretta is all but absent with 5 people.

I guess my point is shown empirically, at least for this sample. DA/SA guns are obsolete. </div></div>

"wheelguns" were rendered "obsolete" a LONG time ago.....and yet there they are on the list. Listing what a handful of IDPA guys use is hardly enough evidence to support much of anything. </div></div>

Maybe you should hit up a match instead of running your mouth. I don't shoot IDPA, but if you don't think match shooting, especially at the national level, shows what is reliable at putting rounds on target, you are sadly mistaken.

Revolvers ARE obsolete for all practical purposes. It takes a lot more practice to drive one effectively than an automatic. </div></div>

Caspian has less users than Beretta--- does that mean Caspian arms puts out a gun that isn't as good as Beretta, or that Glock, XD and the likes are better than Caspian? Uh, only a damned idiot would argue that point. Judging what gun is quality based off of a "tactical" competition in which tight rules and constraints limit realism and of the most competitors will never fire a weapon in anger is absolutely ignorant. I'd argue that the simple presence on the list would say the weapon is sufficiently reliable since guys competing at this level are generally not going to equip themselves with firearms of questionable reliability. But that isn't an automatic indicator that a gun not listed is unreliable. Actually the best standard of measure applicable to this list is the one that ultimately means the most to the individual user- personal preference. This simply means a lot more competitors prefer the Glock and XD than full metal framed guns.

Does caliber selection of those shooting IDPA indicate what caliber is better for combat use? Sure, if effectiveness in putting a hole in paper and speed of firing are your primary concerns and not wound ballistics.

Are the T-55, T-62, T-72 main battle tanks better than the leopard II because they are much more popular designs? Sure if cheap, antiquated design and technology, and easy to destroy are your desirable traits in a main battle tank.

Popularity is a result usually of a combination of preference, cost, and lastly- quality. I would avoid using the popularity argument to determine the quality if a gun.

That all said, I'm not a huge fan of the beretta for a lot of the previously listed reasons (no barrel hood, limited aftermarket support, odd barrel linkage, large size and what would seem to be a magazine design very difficult to make work effective)
 
#44
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Shooter- I think you're missing my point. What is used in IDPA and similar competitions and how the users place isn't a great representation of the general quality of firearms- only popularity, which in itself is a combination of many factors (yes, quality does factor in, depending on the level of the shooter and cash lay-out where quality falls will vary).

There are a good number of firearms of high quality that are likely to not even see competition use. I didn't see Ed Brown, les baer or HK on the list-- all of which are very high quality guns. The absence of these brands does not mean the brands present are superior, just more popular for perhaps reasons of cost, round capacity, availability of replacement parts... there's a very wide range of issues related to popularity of a gun in a shooting competition which may or may not be exclusive concerns to these highly specific competitions.

I'd rather have a gun well vetted by law enforcement agencies and military branches than what's popular at the local shooting competition. Yes that does put Glock on the list, along with offerings from Kimber, Springfield, Beretta, HK and a few others. There is likely to be a lot of cross over on those, but there are sure to be some more exclusive options for each as well.

Long story short- What "Tier 1 pro's" use isn't of any interest to me. More like, what guns have been well tested and proven either on the battle field or on the streets (battle field would be preferred). The Beretta, with FACTORY magazines has proven reliable. If I'm interested in shooting IDPA for points, then I'll look at what's popular there and give it some consideration. Outside of that, it's not important.
 
#45
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I didn't see Ed Brown, les baer or HK on the list...</div></div>

You failed to consult the complete list, to which I provided a link. Les Baer - 2. H&K - 3. Ed Brown was not represented.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd rather have a gun well vetted by law enforcement agencies...</div></div>

God save me from that. L.E. agencies choose guns for many reasons which are of no interest to a competent shooter.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...and military branches</div></div>

And yet you say,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What "Tier 1 pro's" use isn't of any interest to me.</div></div>

Those two statements are contradictory. Members of the Big Green Army have no choice in what to use. They use what the supply system gives them.

The "Tier 1 pros" have a choice. And what they choose is overwhelmingly not Berettas.

There are undoubtably some people who choose Berettas of their own free will because they like them and think they are a good pistol to use in competition or combat.

Not many.

I have owned a Beretta, which I bought and paid for with my own money. I purchased it because I have to teach the Beretta 92, and I wanted to ensure that I could operate it and shoot it.

After I had done that, and evaluated it against the other pistols which I owned, including using it in competition, I sold it.

I consider a Beretta a handicap in a fight or in competition. Feel free to handicap yourself.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Being educated means to prefer the best not only to the worst but to the second best. -- William Lyon Phelps.</div></div>
 
#47
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lindy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I didn't see Ed Brown, les baer or HK on the list...</div></div>

You failed to consult the complete list, to which I provided a link. Les Baer - 2. H&K - 3. Ed Brown was not represented.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd rather have a gun well vetted by law enforcement agencies...</div></div>

God save me from that. L.E. agencies choose guns for many reasons which are of no interest to a competent shooter.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...and military branches</div></div>

And yet you say,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What "Tier 1 pro's" use isn't of any interest to me.</div></div>

Those two statements are contradictory. Members of the Big Green Army have no choice in what to use. They use what the supply system gives them.

The "Tier 1 pros" have a choice. And what they choose is overwhelmingly not Berettas.

There are undoubtably some people who choose Berettas of their own free will because they like them and think they are a good pistol to use in competition or combat.

Not many.

I have owned a Beretta, which I bought and paid for with my own money. I purchased it because I have to teach the Beretta 92, and I wanted to ensure that I could operate it and shoot it.

After I had done that, and evaluated it against the other pistols which I owned, including using it in competition, I sold it.

I consider a Beretta a handicap in a fight or in competition. Feel free to handicap yourself.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Being educated means to prefer the best not only to the worst but to the second best. -- William Lyon Phelps.</div></div>
</div></div>

Okay, it might help if you specify exactly what you mean by "Tier 1 pro's". From your last post, it would seem as though you're referring to the military. If you're referring to those in the SO community in general, they do in fact extensively use the M9. If your reference is to CAG specifically, I'd have a hard time believing that you're coming to this conclusion based upon knowledge and not assumption. Although, I do personally believe it a safe assumption that the M9 isn't the peak of popularity at CAG, proving such a statement would be difficult at best. But now we're talking about a place where funding isn't an issue, so that dramatically changes the dynamics of how their equipment is selected.

Also of important note is my reference to Military Branches- I didn't say OUR military. First world countries as of modern day generally equip their military with high quality pistols (Glock, Sig, HK). If I'm looking for a pistol to stake my life on, I'd rather have one that has been thoroughly tested by a respectable military institution and determined to fit their standards of reliability. I could care less how many guys that have an office job and shoot timed events for points on the weekends use what brand.

As far as the LE selection goes... Once in a while bad decisions are made, but you don't see too many agencies arming their officers with High Point sidearms. The vast majority of the time, if a firearm is carried by a large LE agency, it is of high enough quality that a consumer should be safe with it.

You are correct, I did not consult the full list- not that it matters much. If going by popularity in competition, the three brands I mentioned are of worse quality than Beretta. THAT I have a hard time believing anyone would argue. This all serves to prove my point- using popularity at a competition is not an indication of quality of the pistol in question.

I'm not arguing that a beretta is the BEST choice for a combat or personal protection pistol; I already stated the fact that I don't care for it that much. Not for reasons of reliability, because with FACTORY mags, it's is plenty reliable, but for the reasons of features, size, and design. My argument is that determining what is a good pistol based off of how many people run it in competition is less then intelligent.

But do I feel that my life is in danger being issued an M9? No- it is reliable and performs it's job well, despite the fact that I don't care for it's features, layout and design, it will go bang when I pull the trigger. I don't feel it to be a handicap. Having said that, do I believe it could be replaced with something better? Yes.
 
#48
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Having said that, do I believe it could be replaced with something better? Yes</div></div>

Thank you for demonstrating my point. And I refer you to the last quote in my previous post by William Lyons Phelps.
 
#49
Re: Beretta 92FS

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lindy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Having said that, do I believe it could be replaced with something better? Yes</div></div>

Thank you for demonstrating my point. And I refer you to the last quote in my previous post by William Lyons Phelps.
</div></div>

I'm not really sure why you're attempting to argue with me on this. I not one time made the statement that the Beretta line of pistols are the "best", only that they are capable, and that there are in-fact much better options.

My only real point to all of this is that determining quality and reliability of a pistol for general use based upon the popularity of pistols at an IDPA shoot is ignorance. It's akin to picking your daily driver based upon what the most popular car is at the drag strip.

The fact that unarguably superb quality firearms are represented in such small numbers, they might as well not even be represented should serve very well to illustrate my PRIMARY point.
 
#50
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Thanks for the clarification. Since the OP was asking about the suitability of a Beretta 92F as a choice for a pistol, my point was that it's not the best choice.

I thought you were trying to argue in favor of the Beretta. My mistake.
 
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