Suppressors Beretta 92FS

[colt933]

Re: Beretta 92FS

#1 reason to buy a Beretta 92/M9: You can thread the factory barrel for a can instead of buying a $250-300 custom barrel like with almost every other auto loader.

If you do the cop trigger job (Wolf trigger return spring and cut 2 coils off the main spring), the trigger is bearable.

AAC used to sell a can called the Phantom that was GREAT. It worked on a Beretta with NO modifications other than threading the barrel because of the Beretta's tilting link design.

Browning-type tilting barrel handguns require something to make them work with a suppressor hanging off the end.

With a little water, that can is QUIET on the 92 with subsonic ammo, and bearable dry.

But I can hit better with a factory Glock. I had several SIGs, Berettas, 1911s, etc. I used to really like the single action trigger or single action mode. But I found that I had to concentrate more on keeping the sights aligned while squeezing the single action trigger. With the Glock trigger, I find that it is more naturally mechanical for me to keep the sights aligned while squeezing the trigger. I don't have to think about it.

I still have a 92 Vertec that I use for a suppressor host and with an M6 laser/light. It's pretty nice. But I still hit better with the Glocks.

 

[lookin4fun]

Re: Beretta 92FS

Its to each there own I like my 92FS, 8045, 8000F, and my 21A. When I am at the range though I find myself using my P85 and a little S&W 2213 they just seem to shoot better than the others to me. I had a P89 that I didn't like to shoot at all, every time I've shot Glocks I get my hands tore up from the slide! That's just the way it is!

 

[decodeddiesel]

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I can tell you this much about the M9. I carried one for a long time in Iraq as my secondary. I was not some ultra-highspeed-Tier 1-what-the-fuck-ever. Just a regular light infatry squad leader type.

A couple things, I made sure the springs and locking lugs were GTG, and used only Beretta magazines. The gun never failed me, I never had so much as a hick-up, and when the time came that I needed her to do her thing to save my ass she came through.

Is the Glock, MP, HK a superior weapon? Without a doubt. Would I feel under-armed with a Beretta? Not for a second.

 

[JoeSmith]

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DP425:
I deduced from the start your point and that you were not arguing in favor of the M9, per se. However, perhaps you missed my point. I will attempt to briefly flesh out the remainder of my philosophy...
You stated what high Tier units use is of little consequence to you. That is contradictory to your "More like, what guns have been well tested and proven either on the battle field or on the streets (battle field would be preferred"
By definition high Tier units ARE and HAVE tested and proven certain designs. Therefore, their choices should seem to be of import to you. (Your reference to general SO using the M9 unfortunately falls into the same category of Big Military because they, too, are forced to use it. When they are given a choice, the M9 is usually and overwhelmingly abandoned for other models.)
In effect, those various units that conduct lethal operations are an IPSC test bed, if you will. A test bed of the best kind in a sense.
Application of Darwinian theory to all manner of academic fields has proven useful. In this instance, mechanical designs less "competitive"(pardon the pun) are not chosen to advance. Political-economic decisions drove the adaption/continued fielding of the M9, not superior performance.

 

[sinister]

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My Special Forces company was one of the last to transition from M1911A1 to M9. While we had both we shot our .45s until there literally was no more .45 ammunition left in theater, including war stocks (specific Congressional legislation cut .45 ACP procurement to drive Army fielding of the M9).

Special Ops, Navy, and Coast Guard .45 procurement was limited to Israeli Military Industries TZZ (which was extremely hot) and National Match ammo.

When my last .45 slide cracked the pistol was specified "Code H" (not economical to repair) and it went away.

We were then issued two M9s per Soldier. At 5500 rounds per pistol (the MILSPEC-specified life of the M9) it was packaged and sent back to the depot and we drew a no-kidding brand-new M9 which came directly from the National Inventory Control Point, the first place it got into Uncle Sam's hands from the manufacturer.

We used it because it was the issue gun, not because it was the best tool for the job.

At the beginning of Operation Iraqi Freedom in 2003 the first round in my brand-new M9 with brand-new parkerized magazine during pre-combat function checks was a failure to feed. I've shot M9s a lot and am good with it, but I despise the weapon. While accurate and generally dependable it is too wide for my hands. I have seen (and personally experienced) locking block failures which locked up the gun.

The Army Materiel Command was wondering why re-built M9s won't meet the accuracy standard of new guns (unlike .45s). My Blinding Flash of the Obvious reply was, "You can strip the frame down to bare chassis and put all new steel parts on it, but it's still aluminum."

 

[SFC Carpentier jr]

Re: Beretta 92FS

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have seen many, many locking block failures which locked up the gun.
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+1 Sinister SIR. We had a few lock block failures in our Beretta. In our infantry unit we also had 1911's. Then later of course when the Army went to the Beretta, we also had to turn in our 1911. We still had a few Hard ball and bulleyes guns, but as you know after a while the 45 ammo went away. Like you said some times we were able to fine some.

 

[Falar]

Re: Berretta 92FS

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: trobertson5-0</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VTgunner</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've never had an problems with my M9 jamming or anything, granted I haven't had to use it in a combat situation yet, but in FTX's and ranges never once had an issue. </div></div>

You won't hear too many complaints on Berettas jamming,they have always been considered reliable pistols. The problems we had with ours in the Army are mostly a low bid magazine problem. If you are deploying and will carry one it would be wise to buy yourself 3 BERETTA MANUFACTURED magazines to replace the shitty ones Uncle Sugar will give you. Do that and maintain your weapon and it will do fine.

The main problem is it is 1940's technology,repackaged in the 1980's. It is too big for it's capacity(the .40 version is worse),it's trigger sucks balls,and it uses what most consider to be obsolete DA/SA trigger system. Retro fitting one with night sights is a trip to the factory job and factory guns are famous for pie plate accuracy.

It was a first rate wondernine,in 1988. Striker fired plastic rules the day now,for civilian and LEO use </div></div>

The capacity is only poor for size with the factory mags. Mec-Gar makes flush fitting 18rd mags of the highest quality.

Striker fired plastic sure is popular right now, but popularity does not make them better.

 

[Austincqc]

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Hey 308Longshot...did you get the 92 yet?

I looked at this gun along with all of the others on the list. In the end, I had to examine what I wanted in a gun. Some people like external safeties, others don't. Some like polymers and others still adore good ole 1911s. It's all personal preference.

If you're going to be using it at the range for plinking...9mm is a great cheap round. Low recoil...especially for a heavy gun like the 92. External safety may not be an item of interest...an external hammer may not be either...but then again, you might require both in your next gun. I personally agree with you on the looks of it. I also have a safariland thigh holster my future father-in-law gave me...but I don't own one. Another handgun can wait...for now.

My suggestion, make a list of all of the 9mm that have good reviews. Check out prices on GB or Buds to see what is going to be reasonable for your budget. Go to your local Cabela's or Bass Pro shops, pull the number, wait and take as much time as you want with the rep holding each of the guns that catch your eye. Drop the mag, pop it back in, rack the slide, dry fire it to test the trigger feel (if they let you), and see what works. Maybe there's a range close by that will let you rent the guns and try them out.

Personally, I don't like Glocks at all. I won't bash them, but I won't praise them either. Myself, I picked up a 24/7 Pro .40 and changed out the guide rod when I was looking for a home defense handgun. I love it. A few of the LEO I train with like it and have either bought one after shooting it or already owned one. It has a thumb and internal trigger safety which are not available on all guns, but were required for me for this purpose.

Take your time picking a gun, and as a worst case scenario, guns hold their values pretty well so you can always sell it.

 

[Tylermtech]

Re: Beretta 92FS

I used to shoot my 92FS in my local IDPA matches. I liked it quite a bit, but the two main things I did not like were that the front sight was hard to see, because it was stainless like the rest of the slide. I just painted it black, but I had to re-do it occasionally and it kind of pissed me off.

The major reason that I got rid of it though was that the safety was up to fire and down to go on safe. It was backwards of the way it should be and i had a tough time with it. If it was the other way around (like a 1911) I would still shoot it.

I loved the way it pointed, and it fit my rather large hands perfectly.

I made the switch to the glock, which I like, but I will never really feel affection toward. The glock will always just seem like a tool to me. That said, I have no plan to stop shooting the glock.

All this Beretta talk has me wanting to get another one!!

 

[agent-smith]

Re: Beretta 92FS

Love my 92FS and M9A1; I also love my Glocks and BHP.

People love to argue; buy what you like and don't look back.

 

[VKC]

Re: Beretta 92FS

Pros are long barrel and large size, Cons are large size. External safety and materials of 92FS can be pros or cons depending on preference and what you think are important.

In 9mm caliber and that size gun, I suggesting looking at: Berretta Px4 storm, H&K p2000, Sig p226, Glock 17, CZ SP-01, Springfield XDM. Then pick the one that you grip and shoot the best, not by looks. This may be obvious, but remember when looking at a full-sized gun, the extra weight helps you with controlling the recoil and for faster follow-up shots.

 

[Bad_Karma]

Re: Beretta 92FS

All I can say is in PMI school back in 2005 we had 25 M9's on the line, and the first day 3 went down due to locking block failures. That's 12% of the guns on hand, in a controlled training environment.

 

[DAFAR]

Re: Beretta 92FS

Im retired Navy, one of my shore duty stations was the Naval academy where we taught all of the Midshipman to shoot. I saw on repeated occasions 92 pistols fialing due to failing locking blocks. the armorer used to keep round count reocords and even drove to the berrata factory in Maryland to hand them two large ziplock bags full of broken lugs.

Personally I wouldnt trust my life to one

 

[Shady_Jay]

Re: Beretta 92FS

eventually I'm going buy one of these pistols. Not really for use, just more of a nostalgia thing. I carried one for five years in the Military Police Corps. I would like to have one in the safe just because. But that is a lot of coin to drop on something I'll probably never shoot. Maybe next year's bonus or something.

 

[DAFAR]

Re: Beretta 92FS

look for police turn ins they are usually in decent shap and half the price

 

[Shady_Jay]

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is there a certain area to look? Or just keep an eye out? thanks

 

[Lindy]

Re: Beretta 92FS

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I just painted it black, but I had to re-do it occasionally and it kind of pissed me off.</div></div>

I had trouble picking up the front sight on a 1911, and I just painted it with pink nail polish. Easy to do when necessary, and a good color for rapid sight acquisition.

I <span style="font-style: italic">did</span> have to explain to my wife why I had a bottle of pink nail polish, but she's pretty used to...unusual behaviour.

 

[byrom1212]

Re: Beretta 92FS

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AustinCQC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey 308Longshot...did you get the 92 yet?

I looked at this gun along with all of the others on the list. In the end, I had to examine what I wanted in a gun. Some people like external safeties, others don't. Some like polymers and others still adore good ole 1911s. It's all personal preference.

If you're going to be using it at the range for plinking...9mm is a great cheap round. Low recoil...especially for a heavy gun like the 92. External safety may not be an item of interest...an external hammer may not be either...but then again, you might require both in your next gun. I personally agree with you on the looks of it. I also have a safariland thigh holster my future father-in-law gave me...but I don't own one. Another handgun can wait...for now.

My suggestion, make a list of all of the 9mm that have good reviews. Check out prices on GB or Buds to see what is going to be reasonable for your budget. Go to your local Cabela's or Bass Pro shops, pull the number, wait and take as much time as you want with the rep holding each of the guns that catch your eye. Drop the mag, pop it back in, rack the slide, dry fire it to test the trigger feel (if they let you), and see what works. Maybe there's a range close by that will let you rent the guns and try them out.

Personally, I don't like Glocks at all. I won't bash them, but I won't praise them either. Myself, I picked up a 24/7 Pro .40 and changed out the guide rod when I was looking for a home defense handgun. I love it. A few of the LEO I train with like it and have either bought one after shooting it or already owned one. It has a thumb and internal trigger safety which are not available on all guns, but were required for me for this purpose.

Take your time picking a gun, and as a worst case scenario, guns hold their values pretty well so you can always sell it. </div></div>

I didn't but my dad did I like the way it shoots its a lot smoother than my xd40 mainly due to the 9mm round with lower recoil. I went to buy one and decided to build an ar15 my next gun will either be the 92fs or a 1911.

 

[stiletto raggio]

Re: Beretta 92FS

The Beretta 92 is a fine gun, but it is two generations behind "current." I will be able to tell you in a few weeks if the PX4 is significantly better, but it all comes down to personal preference.

Some people like manual safeties. Some like metal frames. Some like 9mm versus .40. Whatever. If you like the gun, buy it, train with it and develop proficiency. For the record, I own and regualalry shoot Glocks, Berettas, CZs, 1911s, Kahrs... Cross-training helps no matter what you prefer.