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Bergara B-14 HMR problems
- Thread starter Cheesusrice69
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If the adapter is threaded all the way to the face of the device where it meets the shoulder and the barrel threads stop short of the shoulder then you can get the problem you are experiencing. The adapter basically runs out of threads before it shoulders against the barrel. Most devices have a blank space before the threads start to keep this from happening. In other words it may be a combination problem with both the device and the barrel threading contributing. Clear as mud?
I don't have one of these handy to look at it, but if you take your adapter off and take photos of the barrel threads and the adapter threads then we could see it. It isn't a problem unless you plan on using a suppressor with that adapter installed like you have it.
So I took it apart and looked closely, definitely needs one or two more threads on the adapter. Going to contact Area 419 and maybe send some pics their way.
That sucks in spades.
Stuff like this always puts a small itch in the back of my mind, where I'm never 100% confident with the product,and I spend every moment with it, anticipating a malfunction.
Stuff like this always puts a small itch in the back of my mind, where I'm never 100% confident with the product,and I spend every moment with it, anticipating a malfunction.
I have a premier highlander in 7mag that was delivered tome in March. When I got it and was messing with it at the house it was having a little trouble extracting unfired rounds. Little frustrated, but I thought not a big deal if it ejects spent rounds. I took it to the range to zero it, and it ejected every fired round perfectly. And shot incredible groups. Downed 2 big hogs with it that evening. I couldn’t be happier with the gun, it is a dream to shoot. Have not had a single issue with fired rounds.
Like stated above, make sure everything is tight. I've seen a few scope bases on new rifles get loose after a few rounds.
Most likely. But, I watched someone who was an "experienced shooter" burn up over 200 rounds of ammo over a years' time chasing an accuracy gremlin that turned out to be a loose screw on a picatinny rail.
At this point, if 2 parts are in question, and one is stamped BERGARA,, I'm suspecting the Bergara one.
Apparently once they get a working design, making 2 of identical specs is eluding them.
Do you have a Bergara/experience with one, or did you just show up in this thread to spread joy?
I contacted Area419 and turns out some adapters got a tight after coating. Getting sent another.
Apparently you were wrong.
That's odd bc my rifle hates the 140 eld match. Shoots good with hand loads though
That is strange. The 140/147 ELD-M has been the best performers for us across all of our models in that caliber.
I am here to help in any way that I can. If someone has issues please reach out.
I'm having the same problem as the original poster. How was his situation resolved? I've tracked the shots in several groups...cold bore is 1.5-2 MOA high and right or left of a 1-1.5 MOA group. All hardware properly torqued, same results with 2 different NXS's. I'm at 120 rounds with no real change. Maybe I missed it but, I don't see where the OP got results one way or the other.
Give me a call at the office at 770-449-4687 and ask for Chad. We can talk and see if we can help over the phone and if not I will send you a shipping label and RMA to get it in for inspection.
-Chad
I don't half blame him. Great CS is awesome, but I'd rather never have to use it. Same for Vortex. It needs to be right when it goes out the door. Not after it's been sent back.
Man, i hate to do this but i have to put bergara on blast for this one. and the purpose is not to attack a manufacturer, but instead i need some tips from the crowd about how to improve the rifle, given the shortages of everything. things just aren't available these days and a rifle that is more than $1000 ought to not be the weak point in the equation.
so a friend just got a B-14 and ask for help to set it up. i cleaned and inspected with a bore scope prior to going out, and the bore was rough enough to rip a cleaning patch in half. i thought that was a bit rough for my liking and patch some more, and it didn't happen again. We went out to shoot and put some factory ammo in, hornady eld-x 143 gr. so i fired 3 rounds in a clean dry barrel, of factory ammo, and got 3 heavy swipes and 1 Smokey primer. i didn't like that at all. the labradar read, 2781, 2796, 2799. we went back and bore scoped it, and after just 3 rounds the bore had a lot of copper in it an it looked very rough. i cleaned down to bare metal, and went back to try again with some "different" ammo of a less hot variety, and i got an ejector mark on ever other case at the least. so now there are a total of 25 rounds through the rife, its been cleaned to bare metal 4 times, and the highest speed ive seen from anything out of this 6.5 prc is 2861 and its a 24" barrel. i called customer service, they were very nice, we had a great talk, and he said that lapping these barrels probably wont do much to help, and to just keep shooting it. im not here to insult anyone. but times being tough to get different ammo and reloading supplies, does anyone think that jb bore bright would help drastically? should the rifle go back or be sold? or are there any other suggestions? this is the only bergara ive touched, and the rest of the rifle seems great but it seems to me that the bore is dangerously tight or rough.
Thank you in advance to the internet experts that can help solve this problem.
so a friend just got a B-14 and ask for help to set it up. i cleaned and inspected with a bore scope prior to going out, and the bore was rough enough to rip a cleaning patch in half. i thought that was a bit rough for my liking and patch some more, and it didn't happen again. We went out to shoot and put some factory ammo in, hornady eld-x 143 gr. so i fired 3 rounds in a clean dry barrel, of factory ammo, and got 3 heavy swipes and 1 Smokey primer. i didn't like that at all. the labradar read, 2781, 2796, 2799. we went back and bore scoped it, and after just 3 rounds the bore had a lot of copper in it an it looked very rough. i cleaned down to bare metal, and went back to try again with some "different" ammo of a less hot variety, and i got an ejector mark on ever other case at the least. so now there are a total of 25 rounds through the rife, its been cleaned to bare metal 4 times, and the highest speed ive seen from anything out of this 6.5 prc is 2861 and its a 24" barrel. i called customer service, they were very nice, we had a great talk, and he said that lapping these barrels probably wont do much to help, and to just keep shooting it. im not here to insult anyone. but times being tough to get different ammo and reloading supplies, does anyone think that jb bore bright would help drastically? should the rifle go back or be sold? or are there any other suggestions? this is the only bergara ive touched, and the rest of the rifle seems great but it seems to me that the bore is dangerously tight or rough.
Thank you in advance to the internet experts that can help solve this problem.
I wouldn't spend one cent, or a moment's time on it.
Send it back to Bergara, or sell it.
Not your job to unfuck a factory rifle.
that's exactly how i feel. talking on the phone with them was very pleasant, but i was surprised by the feeling that i got front them that made it seem like this was normal. i have some bore scope pictures here. these pictures take place after the break in procedure was completed, and then cleaned down to bare metal, and then 8 shots where fired. looks pretty rough to me.
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I'm also having an issue with my Bergara B-14 HMR in 308. I can't get it to shoot consistently under 1 MOA. I have a Tikka which will shoot consistently under 0.5 MOA. Anyway, the groups are usually between 1.5 and 2 MOA. I tried checking the scope rings, scope base, removing overspray, action screw torque, etc., The thing just won't shoot worth a crap. I tried messaging Bergara about it twice and didn't hear anything. Anyway, I guess I'll just have to call them because I'm tired of throwing my own money away on ammo trying to troubleshoot it.
I'd definitely call them. Hopefully they'll honor their sub-moa rifle guarantee. Make sure you're using "match grade" ammo and shoot 4-5 groups and measure. Their guarantee is sub-moa 3-shot group at 100 yards with match ammo
Yes, I tried FGMM 168 and 175 grain. It’s a crap shoot as to whether even 3 shot groups will be sub-MOA. I have a Tikka that costs about the same that will shoot sub-half MOA, so I hope for their sake they will honor their accuracy guarantee, otherwise they won’t be in business for long.
I hope they honor it too. Please report back.
If they keep screwing people over I will no longer recommend them at the gun counter I work at.
I'll definitely report back. I assume they will probably ask me to send the gun to them. I'll let you know what they say though.
He’s gone. The number he gave is the number you need to call though.
Fwiw my gmail sent their emails to my spam folder as well so be sure to check that if you ever email them.
Just wanted to update you. I spoke with Bergara and they sent me a shipping label. I'll let you know how it goes. For the record these are the kind of groups we're talking about...Absolutely terrible...
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Yep. That's how mine is at the moment. Something that looks like a long range rifle, but doesn't shoot worth a crap. Anyway, hopefully Bergara will fix it.
Update: It seems Bergara has subbed repairs to a 3rd party. When I was out of the Country for 2 weeks on vacation they mailed the rile back to me without even bothering to let me know it was on the way. I had two failed deliveries and it almost got returned to sender before I was able to reschedule the delivery for this coming Monday (at my own expense). Anyway, I'm not sure if they did anything to it because they didn't even bother to keep me in the loop.
I had the exact same rifle and could not get it to shoot either. Handloads and factory sucked and it fouled up like a bastard. I got rid of the fucking thing. Went back to shooting my AI and all was good. Will never touch another Bergara rifle. Life is too short to buy shit. I should have learned my lesson from previous experiences.
Bottom line is this. The Bergara is a production rifle, and that business model requires production and sales volume to live, to even exist at all. Even in a perfect world where every single rifle shoots as well as their claim, the margins are still extremely thin. Throw in a few rifles that will not group well for whatever reason as there are a good number of reasons for this to include actual barrel quality itself. Yes it takes a good square concentric well machined receiver and bolt, but that is just the start. A highly accurate rifle that groups well is a group of systems where every single one of those systems must be at 100% to deliver top results to include the capability of the marksman. Take one detail out of that equation that is not 100% and you have an accuracy or a function issue. Don't feel bad as there are literally thousands if not hundreds of thousands of rifles out there that cannot and will not make the grade of 100% perfect in all categories of what makes a rifle exceptional. Enter the custom market where very single aspect of the build is scrutinized, every single component involved and how those components are fit together, and that those components are 100% perfectly fit together. Simply put together and precision fit are entirely different things. A well built rifle, where everything is 100% will shoot a good number of loads very well not just one maybe two loads. As I see it production rifles are a like rifle roulette. All it takes is one (1) very good rifle that is 100% in a practical caliber for a shooter to be supremely effective vs a safe full of rifles where everything is 75% and not a single one is any better than the other. Scratch that accuracy itch with a custom build.
Update: Turns out the repair center didn't do anything to my rifle but they sent a test target with the below group. The note they included with the rifle said the action screws were over-torqued even though I used a Wheeler Fat Wrench and torqued it to their specs. I'm not sure what to think now. They said they used 168 grain SMKs. I guess I'll just try buying some factory 168 SMKs now and see how they shoot. I shot factory 168 grain SMKs before and they barely shot 1 MOA. Maybe my torque wrench is out of calibration. I'm not sure.
Mechanical torque wrenches need to be calibrated on a regular basis, especially ones made in China.
Update: Found more documentation in the package Bergara sent me. They shot two groups, one was 0.17 MOA, the second was 0.98 MOA. They only sent me the target card for the small group, most likely because it could be easily argued that the “0.98 MOA” group was a bit over 1 MOA depending on how you measure it.
Regardless, that’s a wild difference in group size and is pretty much on par with the frustrating inconsistency I was getting with the gun. In other words, Bergara is fine with crazy fluctuations in group size/inconsistent performance like this and doesn’t see it as an issue. I definitely won’t be buying another Bergarbage product.
Looks like this turd is just going to collect dust in the back of the safe until the price of guns goes up even more an I can recoup my cost on it.
Regardless, that’s a wild difference in group size and is pretty much on par with the frustrating inconsistency I was getting with the gun. In other words, Bergara is fine with crazy fluctuations in group size/inconsistent performance like this and doesn’t see it as an issue. I definitely won’t be buying another Bergarbage product.
Looks like this turd is just going to collect dust in the back of the safe until the price of guns goes up even more an I can recoup my cost on it.
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