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You mean it looks like a R700... you don't sayIt looks like a generic knock off of a Vudoo. Bergara has never produced any quality rifles why should we expect this to anything different
Say what now??? Bergara doesn't make quality product??? Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or if you're just a troll.It looks like a generic knock off of a Vudoo. Bergara has never produced any quality rifles why should we expect this to anything different
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I got to test one of the prototypes in early May. I was impressed with it for the price.
Say what now??? Bergara doesn't make quality product??? Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or if you're just a troll.
I've only heard good things about Bergara. I had one of the first HMRs when they came out and it shot great.
Look like a generic Vudoo? Yes, it looks like a 40x rimfire in the HMR stock. $1,150 MSRP for a complete 700 footprint rifle. Sign me up.
Come on man. Give us more details
How does the fit and finish feel.
Any chance to compare it to a vudoo, tikka, Cz etc...
How was the accuracy?
A Stiller TAC 30? ?
Being a prototype I’m sure the gun was polished over a little better than a standard production gun, but I was impressed with it for the money. The conditions weren’t ideal for true accuracy test with lack of ammo selection and other factors, but I managed to hit 6” steel at almost 400 yards with little to no issues. I own a vudoo and don’t plan on getting rid of it in the near future. That would be like selling a Stiller Tac-30 because you bought a Bergara HMR. They are different and can be compared, but not fairly.
Thanks for the info.
Did the stock feel ok?
I handled one of their 10/22 stocks in the store and it was almost cheap feeling (reminded me of the ruger boat paddle stock feel)
Any word on if they will toss their carbon fiber barrel on it for some weight savings?
The stock was similar to their HMR stock or BXR stock in my opinion. I’d prefer an HS Precision on a hunting gun and a Manners on a range gun. The carbon fiber barrel was the first option I asked for and I could see one in the future, but the first ones you’ll see hit the shelves will be steel.
Forgot to ask.
How did it compare in your opinion to a cz457 or tikka T1x action?
The stock was similar to their HMR stock or BXR stock in my opinion. I’d prefer an HS Precision on a hunting gun and a Manners on a range gun. The carbon fiber barrel was the first option I asked for and I could see one in the future, but the first ones you’ll see hit the shelves will be steel.
He’s def a troll.Say what now??? Bergara doesn't make quality product??? Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or if you're just a troll.
I've only heard good things about Bergara. I had one of the first HMRs when they came out and it shot great.
Look like a generic Vudoo? Yes, it looks like a 40x rimfire in the HMR stock. $1,150 MSRP for a complete 700 footprint rifle. Sign me up.
For being a true trainer, seems like the weight is pretty good. A Bergara HMR in .308 would be around 9.7 lbs I believe, so this is pretty great. I just put on a much heavier barrel on my T1X which now feels exactly like my T3X in terms of balance and weight which is nice (both in KRG Bravos)
From the picture, it looks like a 70 degree throw?
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I got to test one of the prototypes in early May. I was impressed with it for the price.
I’ll be following the possible patent infringement. Will be interesting to see if bergara is in the clear legally.
I’ll be following the possible patent infringement. Will be interesting to see if bergara is in the clear legally.
What part?
I can only think of possibly the magazine.
With the 40x being around before I don’t think there can be any patent infringement on a 40x clone.
Pretty sure that if the potential for patent infringement existed, Bergara would have had their legal team research it and make sure they were in the clear before going forward.
You'd think the guy was sponsored by Vudoo to hate on this gun that isn't even released yet.
The magazine is the part that vudoo has patented.
The other day i tried to find this patent, if you can find it please share otherwise i am fairly sure this is out of patent as it would fall under the patent:
https://patents.google.com/patent/US4079535A which is a patent for a sub caliber magazine that expired 6 years ago.
The other day i tried to find this patent, if you can find it please share otherwise i am fairly sure this is out of patent as it would fall under the patent:
https://patents.google.com/patent/US4079535A which is a patent for a sub caliber magazine that expired 6 years ago.
Haters gonna hate, no matter . . . . but then again, Nomad's a commercial supporter, which IMHO leads me to believe that he has a financial stake somewhere when it comes to Vudoo. I could be wrong, just putting 2+2 together (note- the answer is not 22).
I’m not an expert on reading these by any means, but there’s this one:
Abandoned date being today seems a bit much to be coincidence. But again, I have no idea what I’m looking at.
US20140317983A1 - Rimfire type firearms having centerfire firearm components and related methods - Google Patents
Firearms include some components originally configured for use with centerfire cartridge ammunition, such as a lower portion, and other components configured for use with rimfire cartridges, such as an upper portion and magazine. The firearm is thus configured for firing rimfire cartridge...patents.google.com
I abandoned this patent years ago because I developed something better, it became the V-22 Action. Now, there are two patents. The patent for the V-22 Action is through the examination process and approved for issuance, which will occur in about another two weeks. The second patent filing is for the magazine, which is also near issuance.
In short, the patent on the magazine ties up the outer form of the AICS as it relates to rimfire use. We have not been secretive about the patent status of our action and magazine, as the info has been plastered all over our web page and mentioned openly at various and appropriate times on social media. Any legal entity in the business of filing IP would have no problem seeing this info on the USPTO website.
MB
I’m sure it’s complicated, but I’m assuming on it’s face, there’s some patent infringement possible then?
Sometimes I do that and I get 5? ? I'm like WTF man, how did I get 5?just putting 2+2 together (note- the answer is not 22).
I think this is good for us, non professional shooters on a budget... So without being disrespectful to my fellow engineer that worked on that action, I think Bergara’s product is good news for the rimfire shooting community. Open source development helped other industries to flourish whereas patents usually didn’t. My $0.02... With respect.
Well said.
You know it's possible this could be a positive event for Vudoo. If Bergara's magazine infringes on Vudoo's patent for an AICS foot print 22lr mag, some options may be for Bergara to pay a royalty to Vudoo for use of their patent or for Bergara to source their magazine from Vudoo. I can't speak for the people at Vudoo or Bergara, but either of these could happen.It might be good for you cheap ass bastards that could care less about intellectual property being stolen and hurting the small businesses that don't have the financial resources to fight a big company.
Bergara has blatantly and obviously infringed on Vudoo's magazine...PERIOD!
Do you have ANY idea how much money it would take to defend patent infringement by a foreign company???
You don't think this will impact Vudoo financially?
Look at Atlas's patents being knocked off, you don't think that hurts Kasey? Look at Black Dog's AR22 mags being knocked of by the junk copy made by CMMG?
You don't think it stifles those small companies from making new and innovative products?
Then you guys are idiots and there's nothing else to discuss.
I hope Frank bans every one of you and you all choke on your new Bergara.