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well this thread was interesting to say the least, but all it did was to confirm to myself to order my vudoo today. I appreciate all
RAVAGE88 responses. Think it says nothing but positives for his company
well this thread was interesting to say the least, but all it did was to confirm to myself to order my vudoo today. I appreciate all
RAVAGE88 responses. Think it says nothing but positives for his company
The Bergara is a fine rifle but it lacks custom options. I really don’t think at $950 vs a min $2400 it’s going to do anything but help both companies.
I’ve had my Bergara for less than a week and prior to it I would not have bought a V22.
Now I would not be surprised if I did down the road. There was quite a bit of butt hurt in the first pages of this thread but it really isn’t needed.
The Bergara is a fine rifle but it lacks custom options. I really don’t think at $950 vs a min $2400 it’s going to do anything but help both companies.
I’ve had my Bergara for less than a week and prior to it I would not have bought a V22.
Now I would not be surprised if I did down the road. There was quite a bit of butt hurt in the first pages of this thread but it really isn’t needed.
This has become a Ford Vs Chevy reasoning contest. Moreover it is comparing a semi custom built very expensive rifle to a mass produced rifle that costs 1/3 as much. The real question is will the top of the heap really shoot so much better to justify the difference in price. The die hard match shooters switch their allegiance form one brand to another yearly as the match results are posted. <-- Referring to PRS, benchrest, LR comp.
As soon as the custom smiths get to work on the B14 you will see some real competition for the V guns. I wouldn't be surprised to see another or maybe 2 companies get into the high end RF market.
RF competition is rather new as compared to other types. I don't think the V guns are full customs as they offer you their available choices on their website, and they are limited. Much like the car makers offer a lot of options but are not a full custom car. Moreover, the word custom is mute here. The street value for a B14 is around 900. Lets say you spend another 900 to run with the V guns you are still way under the average price of a V gun.
Merry Christmas.
This has become a Ford Vs Chevy reasoning contest. Moreover it is comparing a semi custom built very expensive rifle to a mass produced rifle that costs 1/3 as much. The real question is will the top of the heap really shoot so much better to justify the difference in price. The die hard match shooters switch their allegiance form one brand to another yearly as the match results are posted. <-- Referring to PRS, benchrest, LR comp.
As soon as the custom smiths get to work on the B14 you will see some real competition for the V guns. I wouldn't be surprised to see another or maybe 2 companies get into the high end RF market.
More like Ford vs Ferrari ?This has become a Ford Vs Chevy reasoning contest. Moreover it is comparing a semi custom built very expensive rifle to a mass produced rifle that costs 1/3 as much. The real question is will the top of the heap really shoot so much better to justify the difference in price. The die hard match shooters switch their allegiance form one brand to another yearly as the match results are posted. <-- Referring to PRS, benchrest, LR comp.
As soon as the custom smiths get to work on the B14 you will see some real competition for the V guns. I wouldn't be surprised to see another or maybe 2 companies get into the high end RF market.
Thanks Jinx, much appreciated.
The Bergara certainly shows promise and that’s a good thing. The more shooting, the better....
MB
Do you have a link for that group searched but must be privateSome of the guys in the B-14r owners group on facebook have posted some nice groups. Here's a screen shot.
Here’s the title page:Do you have a link for that group searched but must be private
I haven't seen any for sale.What are the Bergara 22 mags selling for?
I ordered my rifle from Colt’s as well and ordered the Seekins 30MOA rail for mine, but the rifle won’t show up till the 7th unfortunately. I wish I had bought it sooner so I could be shooting alreadyGot one ordered today from colts. 990$ shipped. Now shopping for bases and rings for my PST gen 2.
I ordered my rifle from Colt’s as well and ordered the Seekins 30MOA rail for mine, but the rifle won’t show up till the 7th unfortunately. I wish I had bought it sooner so I could be shooting already
Again, I am very happy I bought the rifle but am disappointed in the fact that I will probably end up replacing the trigger. Comments are welcome.
I bought it on the 20th and it shipped out on the 26th. It’s supposed to be here on the 7th. I’m champing at the bit pretty bad right now haha. I kind of wish I had bought the EWG 40MOA rail, but I guess I’ll see how the 30MOA works out. Hopefully you don’t have any issues zeroing at 50yards with that setup. I don’t know how steep of a rail you can get before you run out of travel on your scope. That’s part of the reason I got the 30MOA even though a 40MOA would probably be ok.
Today was just too windy to shoot high dollar ammo. I did shoot today but it was to get some trigger time in, shooting at steel swingers. I used the time to play with the torque settings on the action screws and I do believe 50-60 lbs might be the way to go. I had to put my FAT "like me" Wrench on 60 in/lbs to break them loose. I am thinking about investing in a good torque wrench. I set the screws at 30 in/lb and shot, then set it at 40 and it never turned the screws, just clicked on 40 in/lbs same as 30. Went to 50 in/lbs and they moved. Went to 60, the max on the FAT wrench and they just clicked without turning the screws. I believe the FAT wrench is ok for scope mounting and torquing actions screws to around 30 in/lbs but from my experience I wouldn't trust them for accuracy or consistency above that. That's why I am looking for a new/better one.Thanks for your post! Do you have any examples of how the CCI SV shot? Also, is there no way to bring down the trigger weight?
JHC
You’ll love the TriggerTech trigger. Keep your credit card handy, I have a feeling you’ll need it ?Today was just too windy to shoot high dollar ammo. I did shoot today but it was to get some trigger time in, shooting at steel swingers. I used the time to play with the torque settings on the action screws and I do believe 50-60 lbs might be the way to go. I had to put my FAT "like me" Wrench on 60 in/lbs to break them loose. I am thinking about investing in a good torque wrench. I set the screws at 30 in/lb and shot, then set it at 40 and it never turned the screws, just clicked on 40 in/lbs same as 30. Went to 50 in/lbs and they moved. Went to 60, the max on the FAT wrench and they just clicked without turning the screws. I believe the FAT wrench is ok for scope mounting and torquing actions screws to around 30 in/lbs but from my experience I wouldn't trust them for accuracy or consistency above that. That's why I am looking for a new/better one.
As for the trigger.
The factory trigger only comes with one adjustment screw. Turning in increases the trigger pull and out decreases, I removed mine and 2lb 10oz is all I could get it down to. Factory had it set at 2lb 13oz. Besides some old Mausers and Walthers and Marlin lever guns, this is the heaviest trigger I have. Since I want it to be the best it can be when shooting high dollar ammo I went ahead today and bought a TriggerTech Black Diamond single stage with the flat bow. This trigger can be set down to 4 oz. If this trigger turns out to be as good as I read I may change every rifle I have if TriggerTech makes one for them.
I am hoping someone comes out with a swept bolt handle.
Oh awesome. I definitely should have gone with the 40MOA then. Maybe I’ll switch it out later on or somethingonly one way to know and that’s to try it. On my rpr 22lr I was able to use a 30moa base plus a 20moa mount and still shimmed the base .12thou and it’s held out pretty good, have 2 nrl base class wins with that set up. Total of 62moa built in and zeroed at 50yds with sk lr
Thanks for the tip! I should have figured that out before I bought my rail.Depends on the internal travel your scope has and how the individual parts mate up. A good starting point is the total travel....cu that number in half. So you have 60 MOA total travel for example.....you should have 30 below your zero give or take. Then get a rail that eats up MOST BUT NOT ALL of that number. So a 20 or 25 MOA rail would be a good start.
You can still get boned by tolerance stacking of parts but that is not something you can see coming.
Today was just too windy to shoot high dollar ammo. I did shoot today but it was to get some trigger time in, shooting at steel swingers. I used the time to play with the torque settings on the action screws and I do believe 50-60 lbs might be the way to go. I had to put my FAT "like me" Wrench on 60 in/lbs to break them loose. I am thinking about investing in a good torque wrench. I set the screws at 30 in/lb and shot, then set it at 40 and it never turned the screws, just clicked on 40 in/lbs same as 30. Went to 50 in/lbs and they moved. Went to 60, the max on the FAT wrench and they just clicked without turning the screws. I believe the FAT wrench is ok for scope mounting and torquing actions screws to around 30 in/lbs but from my experience I wouldn't trust them for accuracy or consistency above that. That's why I am looking for a new/better one.
As for the trigger.
The factory trigger only comes with one adjustment screw. Turning in increases the trigger pull and out decreases, I removed mine and 2lb 10oz is all I could get it down to. Factory had it set at 2lb 13oz. Besides some old Mausers and Walthers and Marlin lever guns, this is the heaviest trigger I have. Since I want it to be the best it can be when shooting high dollar ammo I went ahead today and bought a TriggerTech Black Diamond single stage with the flat bow. This trigger can be set down to 4 oz. If this trigger turns out to be as good as I read I may change every rifle I have if TriggerTech makes one for them.
I am hoping someone comes out with a swept bolt handle.
Thanks for the tip. I did think about that and will do it next time, maybe today. While we are on this subject has anyone put oil on the threads to help them slip better?When you are torque testing you need to loosen the action screw first then torque to the desired spec.
Only ammo that you shouldn't shoot is CCI Stinger or anything else equivalent that has a longer case than the normal 22 LR.Forgive me if this has been covered already...
Shopping for a new rimfire and was wondering if "match" ammo is required for the B14R? Will it cycle bulk ammo or is the chamber too tight?
I know this seems like a silly question, but given ammo shortages in the past I dont want a paperweight if there is a .22 shortage again in the future. (Im buying another .22 to make sure I can always shoot, a lot, and in volume) I have a lifetime supply of "bulk" .22, that while I dont intend on running through a nice rifle like the B14R, I would like to have the option.
Forgive the stupid question (sorry guys)
That's my thoughts also, but I wonder which method would give more accurate and repeatable results?? I think I will try the oil, at least on this B-14r.Oiling the mating surfaces would theoretically change the torque values. To be consistant you would need to have the same oil and the same amount on the mating surfaces each time you torqued the screws.
You do not have to shoot match ammo. It will shoot much better with it but CCI, Federal Auto match etc will be just fine.Forgive me if this has been covered already...
Shopping for a new rimfire and was wondering if "match" ammo is required for the B14R? Will it cycle bulk ammo or is the chamber too tight?
I know this seems like a silly question, but given ammo shortages in the past I dont want a paperweight if there is a .22 shortage again in the future. (Im buying another .22 to make sure I can always shoot, a lot, and in volume) I have a lifetime supply of "bulk" .22, that while I dont intend on running through a nice rifle like the B14R, I would like to have the option.
Forgive the stupid question (sorry guys)