Does anyone have any experience with Berger bullets the 168 target hydrid. I seen on there web site that it has a lot better BC than the VLD did.
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get some and shoot them. You wont be sorry.Just have to figure out the setting depth
get some and shoot them. You wont be sorry.Just have to figure out the setting depth
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Haven't shot them yet but i have 5 groups of 5 in half grain increments of varget from 43-45gr. Seated at 2.810 thing is the jump is more than likely going to be too much for them, well see though.
168gr VLD, 168gr Hybrid, 175gr BT LR
Haven't shot them yet but i have 5 groups of 5 in half grain increments of varget from 43-45gr. Seated at 2.810 thing is the jump is more than likely going to be too much for them, well see though.
168gr VLD, 168gr Hybrid, 175gr BT LR
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They shouldn't be nearly as finicky on seating depth. That is the whole point of the hybrid.
Josh
They shouldn't be nearly as finicky on seating depth. That is the whole point of the hybrid.
Josh
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I am shooting a R700 .308 26" barrel. My gun smith is doing some work to it soon. I am asked him what bullet I should shoot, he recomended the VLD in 168 grains. I asked him about the Hydrids but he had no esxperience with them. So i am tring to figure out to try which one. But which ever one I try firsist and it perfroms well I doubt if I try the other one.
I am shooting a R700 .308 26" barrel. My gun smith is doing some work to it soon. I am asked him what bullet I should shoot, he recomended the VLD in 168 grains. I asked him about the Hydrids but he had no esxperience with them. So i am tring to figure out to try which one. But which ever one I try firsist and it perfroms well I doubt if I try the other one.
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If you have a custom barrel you should be able to shoot the VLDs fine. They like to be right close, if not into, the lands. With many factory rifles, the throats are simply too long to get the ogive anywhere near the lands while still fitting in the mag or the cartridge itself. That is where hybrids make it easier to get accuracy because they are more jump friendly but give a better BC than standard tangent ogive projectiles.
Josh
If you have a custom barrel you should be able to shoot the VLDs fine. They like to be right close, if not into, the lands. With many factory rifles, the throats are simply too long to get the ogive anywhere near the lands while still fitting in the mag or the cartridge itself. That is where hybrids make it easier to get accuracy because they are more jump friendly but give a better BC than standard tangent ogive projectiles.
Josh
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minordamage, it is a factory take off barrel that I am having put on my rifle. My smith is going to take care of the long throat if it has one. I was putting the bullet into the lands on the 20" barrel and it eroded my throught to much and I have lost accuracy. We checked with a guage.
minordamage, it is a factory take off barrel that I am having put on my rifle. My smith is going to take care of the long throat if it has one. I was putting the bullet into the lands on the 20" barrel and it eroded my throught to much and I have lost accuracy. We checked with a guage.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MinorDamage</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They shouldn't be nearly as finicky on seating depth. That is the whole point of the hybrid.
Josh</div></div>
I'm running a 700 5R though so the jump is considerable, while it does reduce the sensitivity to seating depth it doesn't eliminate it. It can tolerate more of a jump than the VLD.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bryan Litz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The hybrid ogive is intended to have low drag (like a VLD), but without the extreme sensitivity to seating depth that a VLD has. In other words the bullet is tolerant to jump, but there are limits.
Given the excessively long nose on these particular hybrid designs, seating them mag length would result in drastic jumps (over 0.100") in most chambers. Ideally you would like to jump them in the 0.015" to 0.060" range in most cases.
Now it is possible that you could load them mag length in a short throated chamber so they're not jumping a country mile, or even if they are jumping a country mile they may work when loaded to mag length. However the design was not optimized for that purpose. They were optimized for single feeding in target rifles with no length constraint.</div></div>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MinorDamage</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They shouldn't be nearly as finicky on seating depth. That is the whole point of the hybrid.
Josh</div></div>
I'm running a 700 5R though so the jump is considerable, while it does reduce the sensitivity to seating depth it doesn't eliminate it. It can tolerate more of a jump than the VLD.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bryan Litz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The hybrid ogive is intended to have low drag (like a VLD), but without the extreme sensitivity to seating depth that a VLD has. In other words the bullet is tolerant to jump, but there are limits.
Given the excessively long nose on these particular hybrid designs, seating them mag length would result in drastic jumps (over 0.100") in most chambers. Ideally you would like to jump them in the 0.015" to 0.060" range in most cases.
Now it is possible that you could load them mag length in a short throated chamber so they're not jumping a country mile, or even if they are jumping a country mile they may work when loaded to mag length. However the design was not optimized for that purpose. They were optimized for single feeding in target rifles with no length constraint.</div></div>
http://snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3152137
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Blackops_2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MinorDamage</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They shouldn't be nearly as finicky on seating depth. That is the whole point of the hybrid.
Josh</div></div>
I'm running a 700 5R though so the jump is considerable, while it does reduce the sensitivity to seating depth it doesn't eliminate it. It can tolerate more of a jump than the VLD.
</div></div>
Yep, that's what I said.
Josh
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Blackops_2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MinorDamage</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They shouldn't be nearly as finicky on seating depth. That is the whole point of the hybrid.
Josh</div></div>
I'm running a 700 5R though so the jump is considerable, while it does reduce the sensitivity to seating depth it doesn't eliminate it. It can tolerate more of a jump than the VLD.
</div></div>
Yep, that's what I said.
Josh
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I've run the 175 gr. hybrid OTMs with good results through a 24" bbl 5R in .308. Now that I'm moving to a custom with a match chamber I'm still going to start out with those and see how they do. I need to keep loading to mag length and also like how the hybrids handle going trans-sonic.
I've run the 175 gr. hybrid OTMs with good results through a 24" bbl 5R in .308. Now that I'm moving to a custom with a match chamber I'm still going to start out with those and see how they do. I need to keep loading to mag length and also like how the hybrids handle going trans-sonic.
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I have no experience with the hybrids but I can tell you that the VLD's sometimes shoot very well at a considerabke jump. In my .243 Surgeon action gun the VLDs love .120" jump. Load 4 rounds each at kissing lands, .010, .040, .080, and .120 off the lands with a middle of the range load and shoot. You will find your gun prefers one the most. Once I find the preferred jump I do my load work up at that distance from the lands. You can tweek the seating depth further once a load is found but I have never had to using just the seating depths above. You will be suprised that while some guns like them close or in the lands, some like them jumping a good bit. I would like to try the hybrids if when I ever need to work up a new load. It's my variation of this
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2009/03/berger-tips-for-loading-vld-bullets/
I have no experience with the hybrids but I can tell you that the VLD's sometimes shoot very well at a considerabke jump. In my .243 Surgeon action gun the VLDs love .120" jump. Load 4 rounds each at kissing lands, .010, .040, .080, and .120 off the lands with a middle of the range load and shoot. You will find your gun prefers one the most. Once I find the preferred jump I do my load work up at that distance from the lands. You can tweek the seating depth further once a load is found but I have never had to using just the seating depths above. You will be suprised that while some guns like them close or in the lands, some like them jumping a good bit. I would like to try the hybrids if when I ever need to work up a new load. It's my variation of this
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2009/03/berger-tips-for-loading-vld-bullets/
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I've got some loaded up with Varget for my Savage FTR...Lord willing, I will finally get out and shoot tomorrow so I will report back with results.
I'm jumping them .015" for starters (2.215 to Ogive in my chamber).
I've got some loaded up with Varget for my Savage FTR...Lord willing, I will finally get out and shoot tomorrow so I will report back with results.
I'm jumping them .015" for starters (2.215 to Ogive in my chamber).
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