Range Report Berger has a new 7mm bullet

[IHFarmer07]

7 mm 190 Grain Long Range Hybrid Target Rifle Bullet

The 7mm 190 Grain LRHT boasts a high BC, jump-tolerant hybrid ogive profile that is Doppler Radar verified with less than 1% BC variation. The 7mm 190 Grain LRHT is complementary to the industry-leading Berger 184gr F-Open Target with an identical stability factor and improved ballistics when...

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[Doc68]

Wonder what kind of speeds I could get out of a regular 7mm-08? Would it even be worth trying?

 

[stello1001]

Wonder what kind of speeds I could get out of a regular 7mm-08? Would it even be worth trying?

Barrel it long and load it long, then try stuffing rl26 into it and see what you get out of it...

Might be interesting to see but maybe not the best MV, who knows...

 

[jetmd]

Doc, I don't think it would have enough case capacity to push it fast enough to be efficient.

If you used a 7saum, 7wsm or 7mm Rem mag in a long action it would be skookum.

Regards,

Chet

 

[Simia Dei]

Wonder what kind of speeds I could get out of a regular 7mm-08? Would it even be worth trying?

7mm SAW with a long barrel and 2000 MR might get it up there. I ran 175s with 2000 MR and a 26” barrel and saw just shy of 2900fps. Quite temp sensitive though

 

[eca7891]

Pretty sure I got 2925 from the 195’s in my 28 Nosler. I still had room to go on that load but it grouped well at that velocity.
I would say 3000+ would not surprise me at all.

 

[Odysseus1911]

Having a hard time trying to see a market for a 190 grain target bullet that’s got a lower BC than the 180 ELD-m?

 

[Steel head]

Having a hard time trying to see a market for a 190 grain target bullet that’s got a lower BC than the 180 ELD-m?

I’m finding the 180 ELDM actual BC to be lower than listed in my experience and honestly I’m having a few blow up in flight as well

I’m certainly going to still use them in my 260but I’m now considering the 180 or 190 hybrids for my 7 saum.

 

[Odysseus1911]

I’m finding the 180 ELDM actual BC to be lower than listed in my experience and honestly I’m having a few blow up in flight as well

What BC are you getting? (And what twist and MV?) You must be spinning them pretty fast.

 

[Steel head]

What BC are you getting? (And what twist and MV?) You must be spinning the pretty fast.

2930 in a 1/8.
I use a multiple BC curve from.385 to .360.

 

[Odysseus1911]

That’s surprising. I thought you must be pushing them 3100+ if they were blowing.

 

[Steel head]

That’s surprising. I thought you must be pushing them 3100+ if they were blowing.

Nope.
I shot 90 rounds this weekend in that rifle and had at least 4 blow ups.
I saw one of them blow observing trace when a friend was shooting.
I noted that lot number and will definitely be avoiding those.
Besides those performance last weekend was amazing though.

 

[KWilson]

This bullet will be used by plenty of F-open shooters, 7 SAUM's, 284s etc will lap this bullet up.

 

[Steel head]

This bullet will be used by plenty of F-open shooters, 7 SAUM's, 284s etc will lap this bullet up.

When I get back from California I’m definitely gonna pick up a box to try in my 7 saum.

a quick look says none are available now so I may be waiting a bit.

 

[KWilson]

When I get back from California I’m definitely gonna pick up a box to try in my 7 saum.

a quick look says none are available now so I may be waiting a bit.

Hope you can get your hands on some - I'd love to hear how they shoot - I have heard they like to be driven a bit harder than the 184s which makes sense but it's going to be sometime before I see these in Australia.

 

[nick338]

Having a hard time trying to see a market for a 190 grain target bullet that’s got a lower BC than the 180 ELD-m?

BC's for every manufacturer are all going to be within 3-4% of one another with similar bullet weights. There is no magic pixie dust that allows Hornady's 180 ELD to be 10% higher than everyone else out there, regardless of how fast you spin the bullet.

Bryan Litz has that bullet listed at a .360 G7 in his testing and many people have verified that number is very close. I'm surprised Hornady still claims a bc of .401

Realistically it doesn't make sense with today's modern bullet designs that a 180 gr bullet would have a higher bc than a 195 gr of the same caliber unless a radically different shape was at play, and we know it isn't.

 

[Steel head]

BC's for every manufacturer are all going to be within 3-4% of one another with similar bullet weights. There is no magic pixie dust that allows Hornady's 180 ELD to be 10% higher than everyone else out there, regardless of how fast you spin the bullet.

Bryan Litz has that bullet listed at a .360 G7 in his testing and many people have verified that number is very close. I'm surprised Hornady still claims a bc of .401

Realistically it doesn't make sense with today's modern bullet designs that a 180 gr bullet would have a higher bc than a 195 gr of the same caliber unless a radically different shape was at play, and we know it isn't.

.360 is a lot closer to what I’m finding than .401 on the ELD’m 180 even with A 1-8 barrel.

I should have a box of the 190 hybrids in hand mid week.

 

[nick338]

.360 is a lot closer to what I’m finding than .401 on the ELD’m 180 even with A 1-8 barrel.

I should have a box of the 190 hybrids in hand mid week.

Interested to see how they perform.

 

[bjay]

Its pointed hot hollow point..hmm hunting?

 

[nick338]

Its pointed hot hollow point..hmm hunting?

Minimal opening in the tip, may work at high velocities but might struggle to open up at longer ranges.

 

[bjay]

Minimal opening in the tip, may work at high velocities but might struggle to open up at longer ranges.

I got a 7 sherman max basically 7saum AI
This probably not for me as game bullets eh

 

[Steel head]

They’re listed as F-open so obviously aimed at target/Fclass.

Not that plenty of people won’t try to drop game with them.

I might try and smoke some coyotes with them at extended distances’s that should be fairly interesting.

 

[Odysseus1911]

I got a 7 sherman max basically 7saum AI
This probably not for me as game bullets eh

How do you like the 7 Sherman max? I really want to build one, just trying to save the funds for a build.

 

[BCX]

I got a 7 sherman max basically 7saum AI
This probably not for me as game bullets eh

How is the Sherman Max? Did you buy the reamer?

 

[bjay]

How is the Sherman Max? Did you buy the reamer?

Barrel started as 7ss really accurate..but its a single shot action.so when 7 max reamer become avaiil. I re reamed barrel..i think the max is designed better.i was having issue resizing 7ss..both accurate but the abvious size capacity on 7 max def offer higher fps

 

[bjay]

How is the Sherman Max? Did you buy the reamer?

Reamer was rented from rich sherman..
Love this round..these are just fireforming in .2moa at 100y

 

[BCX]

Its a cartridge I'm debating on for my next build. Are you shooting Berger 195?

 

[bjay]

Its a cartridge I'm debating on for my next build. Are you shooting Berger 195?

Im using 175 ELITE for fireforming and will be using either 184 or this new 190 for game..my reamer freebore is designed for the 195 but will work even with 175 the 184 Imo seat better in the having enough bearing when its jump around .020 jump.
I also got 180 hyb 195 elite and 162 eld-m will soon try them all and its loaded...im.just busy load dev my norma at the moment
The 162 does seat nice when its jumped .020 off having longer bearing

 

[b6graham]

we all really just want the 190 ATIP though

 

[BCX]

Should be a good match in the 7 Sherman MAX loaded at 3.200.

 

[Steel head]

we all really just want the 190 ATIP though

I’m not sure I wanna pony up that much per shot.

when they don’t blow up the 180 ELDM is quite good at 1800 yards.

 

[b6graham]

28 Sherman Magnum at 3250fps

any guesses on 190 atip BC? .825-.840?

 

[BCX]

I don't think its been posted yet.

 

[b6graham]

it's the only one that hasn't been afaik

 

[BCX]

28 Sherman Magnum at 3250fps

any guesses on 190 atip BC? .825-.840?

Im building off a LP Fusion TI LA. Trying to keep bolt trust to a min.

 

[Steel head]

 

[Steel head]

All the tips are immaculate and it definitely looks sleek.
I haven’t shot Berger’s for a few years so this will be interesting.

 

[bjay]

All the tips are immaculate and it definitely looks sleek.
I haven’t shot Berger’s for a few years so this will be interesting.
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Its hp?
Not pointed or closed tip?

 

[Steel head]

Its hp?
Not pointed or closed tip?

Says
Metplat redudtion technology on the box

 

[bjay]

Says
Metplat redudtion technology on the box

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Someone need to test this on game soon..pretty interesting

 

[BCX]

7 MAX reamer, dies and brass on the way. Hopefully I can get everything shipped out next week to my smith.

 

[Steel head]

Ok
Did a quick speed and pressure test.

I should have gone higher because I didn’t find any real pressure.

With the same charge as I’m using with the 180 eldm I was 60 FPS lower

Mag fed so jumping them a lot accuracy seemed excellent

I’m going to try what seemed to be the low node at 2855 FPS at mag length

also 10 each of slightly higher charge at mag length and loaded long .02 off the lands.

Also will try to test BC on Sunday at distance.
Buddy from Canada wants to go shooting.

 

[BCX]

My Sherman goodies arrived today. Those Whidden dies look bada$$. Love the ADG packaging! Can’t wait to play w the 7 MAX!

 

[clcustom1911]

I'm surprised Hornady still claims a bc of .401

Same gig with the 147 ELDm. They claim .351 G7, but everyone uses .330

 

[Schw15]

Same gig with the 147 ELDm. They claim .351 G7, but everyone uses .330

Really? I might be the odd one out but it seems to me i use there bc and speed of 2810 6.5x55 and its all dead on. Maybe i need to double check.

 

[Steel head]

Same gig with the 147 ELDm. They claim .351 G7, but everyone uses .330

To true up my solver to 1800 I use a multiple BC curve from 337 to .308.

 

[Steel head]

I interesting tid bit I neglected to mention yesterday.
The 190 hybrids had exactly the sam poi as the 180 eldm’s.

 

[Schw15]

I interesting tid bit I neglected to mention yesterday.
The 190 hybrids had exactly the sam poi as the 180 eldm’s.

Same bc? And same speed?

 

[nick338]

I interesting tid bit I neglected to mention yesterday.
The 190 hybrids had exactly the sam poi as the 180 eldm’s.

Interesting. Did you happen to calculate bc based on your speed and drop?

 

[Steel head]

Same bc? And same speed?

It was just a speed test at 100 yards
I don’t know the actual BC yet and they were 30 to 90 FPS slower.

If it’s decent tomorrow I’ll test them at distance.

I have some at mag length and single feed .02 from the lands.