Re: Best 7.62mm Semi Automatic Sniper Rifle
I shoot apples at a 1,000 yards all day long with my DSA FAL Carbine. If I do my part.
I shoot apples at a 1,000 yards all day long with my DSA FAL Carbine. If I do my part.
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Best 7.62mm Semi Automatic Sniper Rifle
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Re: Best 7.62mm Semi Automatic Sniper Rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">While you will find a few snipers on this forum, this is a site for shooting enthusiasts. The name of the website doesn't mean we are all snipers.</div></div>Whaaaat??!!
Get a GAP 10. It will shoot, and hold its value, and you will be building a relationship with a gunsmith and not a manufacturing company - for no extra money over a factory rifle.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">While you will find a few snipers on this forum, this is a site for shooting enthusiasts. The name of the website doesn't mean we are all snipers.</div></div>Whaaaat??!!
Get a GAP 10. It will shoot, and hold its value, and you will be building a relationship with a gunsmith and not a manufacturing company - for no extra money over a factory rifle.
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I would have to say that the LWRC REPR is pretty much garbage, have someone that has sent his back to the factory 4 times and basically told it shoots fine. We have never gotten it to shoot less than 1.5 MOA, they have replaced the upper twice in the four times it has gone back.
Go with the OBR or the GAP, it seems that the piston systems are hit or miss, I have seen about half and half of the POFs be shooters.
I have an 18" OBR and my Dept has the 16" OBRs all are 1/2 MOA or better, been really impressed with them.
I would have to say that the LWRC REPR is pretty much garbage, have someone that has sent his back to the factory 4 times and basically told it shoots fine. We have never gotten it to shoot less than 1.5 MOA, they have replaced the upper twice in the four times it has gone back.
Go with the OBR or the GAP, it seems that the piston systems are hit or miss, I have seen about half and half of the POFs be shooters.
I have an 18" OBR and my Dept has the 16" OBRs all are 1/2 MOA or better, been really impressed with them.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hogstooth</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would have to say that the LWRC REPR is pretty much garbage, have someone that has sent his back to the factory 4 times and basically told it shoots fine. We have never gotten it to shoot less than 1.5 MOA, they have replaced the upper twice in the four times it has gone back.</div></div>Agreed. At the last PR class at Rifle Only a student brought one, from a considerable distance away, and it wouldn't group better than 2 MOA. It was brand new, and it was already unuseable for precision work.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hogstooth</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would have to say that the LWRC REPR is pretty much garbage, have someone that has sent his back to the factory 4 times and basically told it shoots fine. We have never gotten it to shoot less than 1.5 MOA, they have replaced the upper twice in the four times it has gone back.</div></div>Agreed. At the last PR class at Rifle Only a student brought one, from a considerable distance away, and it wouldn't group better than 2 MOA. It was brand new, and it was already unuseable for precision work.
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The best 7.62 out there is the FD308 by F&D Defense, hands down. Nothing comes remotely close. I was able to acquire a prototype model from the owner and have been nothing less than astounded.
Note: I also currently own a LWRC REPR, LMT 308, and Larue OBR. I previously owned a POF 308, DPMS SASS, and KAC SR25.
I'll take my FD308... hands down... any day.
The best 7.62 out there is the FD308 by F&D Defense, hands down. Nothing comes remotely close. I was able to acquire a prototype model from the owner and have been nothing less than astounded.
Note: I also currently own a LWRC REPR, LMT 308, and Larue OBR. I previously owned a POF 308, DPMS SASS, and KAC SR25.
I'll take my FD308... hands down... any day.
Re: Best 7.62mm Semi Automatic Sniper Rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dslmtrcle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...Nothing comes remotely close. I was able to acquire a prototype model from the owner and have been nothing less than astounded. </div></div>Really?
Nothing?
Not even remotely?
Are you selling something?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dslmtrcle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...Nothing comes remotely close. I was able to acquire a prototype model from the owner and have been nothing less than astounded. </div></div>Really?
Nothing?
Not even remotely?
Are you selling something?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Really?</div></div> That's right.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nothing?</div></div> Absolutely
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not even remotely?</div></div> Nope
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are you selling something? </div></div> Yeah, I'll sell you any of my other 308's.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Really?</div></div> That's right.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nothing?</div></div> Absolutely
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not even remotely?</div></div> Nope
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are you selling something? </div></div> Yeah, I'll sell you any of my other 308's.
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Your knowledge of the subject appears to be thorough and detailed. As that was your first post, you may want to consider either contributing in a substantive way or going away.
Your knowledge of the subject appears to be thorough and detailed. As that was your first post, you may want to consider either contributing in a substantive way or going away.
Re: Best 7.62mm Semi Automatic Sniper Rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dslmtrcle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The best 7.62 out there is the FD308 by F&D Defense, hands down. Nothing comes remotely close. I was able to acquire a prototype model from the owner and have been nothing less than astounded.
Note: I also currently own a LWRC REPR, LMT 308, and Larue OBR. I previously owned a POF 308, DPMS SASS, and KAC SR25.
I'll take my FD308... hands down... any day.</div></div>
I've seen this rifle you speak of on Gunbroker and from what I can tell, it's nothing more than ripped off ideas of other platforms right down to the NP3 coated bcg, side charging handle, fluted barrel, etc. Did I mention it's uglier than camel shit baked in the sun?
Ripping ideas from other manufacturers and building your own rifle of hodge podge parts doesn't make your rifle better.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dslmtrcle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The best 7.62 out there is the FD308 by F&D Defense, hands down. Nothing comes remotely close. I was able to acquire a prototype model from the owner and have been nothing less than astounded.
Note: I also currently own a LWRC REPR, LMT 308, and Larue OBR. I previously owned a POF 308, DPMS SASS, and KAC SR25.
I'll take my FD308... hands down... any day.</div></div>
I've seen this rifle you speak of on Gunbroker and from what I can tell, it's nothing more than ripped off ideas of other platforms right down to the NP3 coated bcg, side charging handle, fluted barrel, etc. Did I mention it's uglier than camel shit baked in the sun?
Ripping ideas from other manufacturers and building your own rifle of hodge podge parts doesn't make your rifle better.
Re: Best 7.62mm Semi Automatic Sniper Rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dslmtrcle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The best 7.62 out there is the FD308 by F&D Defense, hands down. Nothing comes remotely close. I was able to acquire a prototype model from the owner and have been nothing less than astounded.
Note: I also currently own a LWRC REPR, LMT 308, and Larue OBR. I previously owned a POF 308, DPMS SASS, and KAC SR25.
I'll take my FD308... hands down... any day. </div></div>
How many rounds down the tube so far?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dslmtrcle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The best 7.62 out there is the FD308 by F&D Defense, hands down. Nothing comes remotely close. I was able to acquire a prototype model from the owner and have been nothing less than astounded.
Note: I also currently own a LWRC REPR, LMT 308, and Larue OBR. I previously owned a POF 308, DPMS SASS, and KAC SR25.
I'll take my FD308... hands down... any day. </div></div>
How many rounds down the tube so far?
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Anyone who says an lwrc repr......or any of their guns is garbage is totally full of shit. I don't think SF teams and contractors would risk their lives with their guns if they were crap. They cost a ton of cash for a reason. If you have problems then call their customer service dept and they will replace the part until it functions to specs. Have you even bothered to look down the barrel? I find it hard to beleive you sent it back and had parts replaced twice and it still doesn't shoot.
I would say either you don't know how to initiate a proper trigger squeeze, sight in a scope or are trying to sell something or piss people off.
I own multiple ar weapons and anything of quality will shoot between .5 and 2 moa all day long. Get a clue man. Why don't you use the search feature and look at some of the posts and lwrc and the rep specifically.
Anyone who says an lwrc repr......or any of their guns is garbage is totally full of shit. I don't think SF teams and contractors would risk their lives with their guns if they were crap. They cost a ton of cash for a reason. If you have problems then call their customer service dept and they will replace the part until it functions to specs. Have you even bothered to look down the barrel? I find it hard to beleive you sent it back and had parts replaced twice and it still doesn't shoot.
I would say either you don't know how to initiate a proper trigger squeeze, sight in a scope or are trying to sell something or piss people off.
I own multiple ar weapons and anything of quality will shoot between .5 and 2 moa all day long. Get a clue man. Why don't you use the search feature and look at some of the posts and lwrc and the rep specifically.
Re: Best 7.62mm Semi Automatic Sniper Rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I shoot apples at a 1,000 yards all day long with my DSA FAL Carbine. If I do my part. </div></div>
Anything special you have had to do to get that accuracy out of it? The reason I ask is that a friend of mine is setting up a heavy barreled DSA FAL and trying to see if he can make it into a very accurate rifle.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I shoot apples at a 1,000 yards all day long with my DSA FAL Carbine. If I do my part. </div></div>
Anything special you have had to do to get that accuracy out of it? The reason I ask is that a friend of mine is setting up a heavy barreled DSA FAL and trying to see if he can make it into a very accurate rifle.
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I have been very impressed with the Larue OBR as well.
I have been very impressed with the Larue OBR as well.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wolvenhaven</div><div class="ubbcode-body">WA2000 and PSG1.</div></div>
theres some helpful advice (sarc)
anything
LMT
Noveske
LWRC
Larue
even most of the DPMS and Bushmasters are pretty good
... you'll be fine
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wolvenhaven</div><div class="ubbcode-body">WA2000 and PSG1.</div></div>
theres some helpful advice (sarc)
anything
LMT
Noveske
LWRC
Larue
even most of the DPMS and Bushmasters are pretty good
... you'll be fine
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SteelShot11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyone who says an lwrc repr......or any of their guns is garbage is totally full of shit.... They cost a ton of cash for a reason. </div></div>
Anybody who says the turbo encabulator is garbage is totally full of shit. they cost a lot for a reason. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLDgQg6bq7o
Look price doesn't mean everything. Great customer support is great, but when a rifle isn't factory fired and proofed to 1MOA when its sold as a PRECISION rig... c'mon.
I don't think its garbage, just that the rifle I encountered didn't shoot. Either did the Armalite Super SASS. I'm sure there are rifles from both LWRC and Armalite that are lights out shooters. I however expect a $3,500 rifle to perform from the get go. How would you feel if you bought a ferrari and had to go to the dealership after a month, and they told you "oh sometimes these things happen, one slips out" My response would be "MFKER maybe to a FORD OR CHEVY but not a 300,000$ car!!!!"
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SteelShot11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyone who says an lwrc repr......or any of their guns is garbage is totally full of shit.... They cost a ton of cash for a reason. </div></div>
Anybody who says the turbo encabulator is garbage is totally full of shit. they cost a lot for a reason. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLDgQg6bq7o
Look price doesn't mean everything. Great customer support is great, but when a rifle isn't factory fired and proofed to 1MOA when its sold as a PRECISION rig... c'mon.
I don't think its garbage, just that the rifle I encountered didn't shoot. Either did the Armalite Super SASS. I'm sure there are rifles from both LWRC and Armalite that are lights out shooters. I however expect a $3,500 rifle to perform from the get go. How would you feel if you bought a ferrari and had to go to the dealership after a month, and they told you "oh sometimes these things happen, one slips out" My response would be "MFKER maybe to a FORD OR CHEVY but not a 300,000$ car!!!!"
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Not saying anything here other than the gun is NOT ugly. I cannot speak for the gun other than the looks
We talking about the same gun here?
Barrel
-.308 Winchester match chambered by Lilja Precision Barrels Inc.
-16" length: effective range up to 600 yards
-20" length: effective range up to 800 yards
Material
-416 Stainless, more uniform grain and density than mass-produced hammer-forged 4140 & 4150 alloy steels
-Heat treated, lapped, and polished
Rifling
-Single-point cut, 5R Obermeyer
-1:12 twist to accomadate a broad range of ammunition loads and weights
-Consistent sub-MOA accuracy
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dslmtrcle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The best 7.62 out there is the FD308 by F&D Defense, hands down. Nothing comes remotely close. I was able to acquire a prototype model from the owner and have been nothing less than astounded.
Note: I also currently own a LWRC REPR, LMT 308, and Larue OBR. I previously owned a POF 308, DPMS SASS, and KAC SR25.
I'll take my FD308... hands down... any day.</div></div>
I've seen this rifle you speak of on Gunbroker and from what I can tell, it's nothing more than ripped off ideas of other platforms right down to the NP3 coated bcg, side charging handle, fluted barrel, etc. Did I mention it's uglier than camel shit baked in the sun?
Ripping ideas from other manufacturers and building your own rifle of hodge podge parts doesn't make your rifle better. </div></div>
Not saying anything here other than the gun is NOT ugly. I cannot speak for the gun other than the looks
We talking about the same gun here?
Barrel
-.308 Winchester match chambered by Lilja Precision Barrels Inc.
-16" length: effective range up to 600 yards
-20" length: effective range up to 800 yards
Material
-416 Stainless, more uniform grain and density than mass-produced hammer-forged 4140 & 4150 alloy steels
-Heat treated, lapped, and polished
Rifling
-Single-point cut, 5R Obermeyer
-1:12 twist to accomadate a broad range of ammunition loads and weights
-Consistent sub-MOA accuracy
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dslmtrcle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The best 7.62 out there is the FD308 by F&D Defense, hands down. Nothing comes remotely close. I was able to acquire a prototype model from the owner and have been nothing less than astounded.
Note: I also currently own a LWRC REPR, LMT 308, and Larue OBR. I previously owned a POF 308, DPMS SASS, and KAC SR25.
I'll take my FD308... hands down... any day.</div></div>
I've seen this rifle you speak of on Gunbroker and from what I can tell, it's nothing more than ripped off ideas of other platforms right down to the NP3 coated bcg, side charging handle, fluted barrel, etc. Did I mention it's uglier than camel shit baked in the sun?
Ripping ideas from other manufacturers and building your own rifle of hodge podge parts doesn't make your rifle better. </div></div>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SteelShot11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyone who says an lwrc repr......or any of their guns is garbage is totally full of shit... I would say either you don't know how to initiate a proper trigger squeeze, sight in a scope or are trying to sell something or piss people off.</div></div>You can talk crap about me all you want, and some of it might be true. But to say that about Hogstooth makes you a fool.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SteelShot11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I own multiple ar weapons and anything of quality will shoot between .5 and 2 moa all day long. Get a clue man.</div></div>Classic. So, give me a clue: Post some proof.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SteelShot11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyone who says an lwrc repr......or any of their guns is garbage is totally full of shit... I would say either you don't know how to initiate a proper trigger squeeze, sight in a scope or are trying to sell something or piss people off.</div></div>You can talk crap about me all you want, and some of it might be true. But to say that about Hogstooth makes you a fool.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SteelShot11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I own multiple ar weapons and anything of quality will shoot between .5 and 2 moa all day long. Get a clue man.</div></div>Classic. So, give me a clue: Post some proof.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WDN-K-9</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anything's possible and I'm not saying that the REPR is going to be the most accurate super rifle in the world, pulling off great feats like "hitting playing cards at 1000yds" and saving the world from the hellfire and brimstone zombie take over while cursing around in the back of a make shift Suburban with tinted windows and blacked out rims...
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You rock, I thought I was the only one paying attention. Thanks for bringing it back. It cracks me up that this mo fo still chimes in as much as he does.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WDN-K-9</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anything's possible and I'm not saying that the REPR is going to be the most accurate super rifle in the world, pulling off great feats like "hitting playing cards at 1000yds" and saving the world from the hellfire and brimstone zombie take over while cursing around in the back of a make shift Suburban with tinted windows and blacked out rims...
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You rock, I thought I was the only one paying attention. Thanks for bringing it back. It cracks me up that this mo fo still chimes in as much as he does.
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going to be pretty damned tough to beat DPMS accuracy for the money... damned tough.
going to be pretty damned tough to beat DPMS accuracy for the money... damned tough.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pete Sake</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WDN-K-9</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anything's possible and I'm not saying that the REPR is going to be the most accurate super rifle in the world, pulling off great feats like "hitting playing cards at 1000yds" and saving the world from the hellfire and brimstone zombie take over while cursing around in the back of a make shift Suburban with tinted windows and blacked out rims...
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You rock, I thought I was the only one paying attention. Thanks for bringing it back. It cracks me up that this mo fo still chimes in as much as he does. </div></div>
48 degrees here in the low country with a 15knt wind from the SSE, to much wind for fishing....,think I'll load up in my gov't wannabe black suv and head out for a cold bore 1000yd'er...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pete Sake</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WDN-K-9</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anything's possible and I'm not saying that the REPR is going to be the most accurate super rifle in the world, pulling off great feats like "hitting playing cards at 1000yds" and saving the world from the hellfire and brimstone zombie take over while cursing around in the back of a make shift Suburban with tinted windows and blacked out rims...
</div></div>
^^^^^^^^^
You rock, I thought I was the only one paying attention. Thanks for bringing it back. It cracks me up that this mo fo still chimes in as much as he does. </div></div>
48 degrees here in the low country with a 15knt wind from the SSE, to much wind for fishing....,think I'll load up in my gov't wannabe black suv and head out for a cold bore 1000yd'er...
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Maybe, just maybe, LWRC got it backwards. They make shitty rifles most of the time and every now and then an accurate lemon falls through the cracks... Damn, I got lucky
Maybe, just maybe, LWRC got it backwards. They make shitty rifles most of the time and every now and then an accurate lemon falls through the cracks... Damn, I got lucky
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GlockandRoll</div><div class="ubbcode-body">going to be pretty damned tough to beat DPMS accuracy for the money... damned tough. </div></div>
I keep getting told I got lucky with mine. Brand snobs are funny.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GlockandRoll</div><div class="ubbcode-body">going to be pretty damned tough to beat DPMS accuracy for the money... damned tough. </div></div>
I keep getting told I got lucky with mine. Brand snobs are funny.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe, just maybe, LWRC got it backwards. They make shitty rifles most of the time and every now and then an accurate lemon falls through the cracks... Damn, I got lucky wink</div></div>
That statement exactly reflects my experience with them.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe, just maybe, LWRC got it backwards. They make shitty rifles most of the time and every now and then an accurate lemon falls through the cracks... Damn, I got lucky wink</div></div>
That statement exactly reflects my experience with them.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: problemchild</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are we talking about the same gun here?</div></div>
Yes, we are talking about the same gun and yes, I still think it's ugly as hell but that's a personal thing.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=264440280
The design (to me) looks like a mixture of different ideas and designs from other manufacturers.
It must be something special to demand a premium price with a reserve higher than $3400.
Here's the pricing page:
http://www.fd-defense.com/fd308/fd308ordering
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: problemchild</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are we talking about the same gun here?</div></div>
Yes, we are talking about the same gun and yes, I still think it's ugly as hell but that's a personal thing.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=264440280
The design (to me) looks like a mixture of different ideas and designs from other manufacturers.
It must be something special to demand a premium price with a reserve higher than $3400.
Here's the pricing page:
http://www.fd-defense.com/fd308/fd308ordering
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: W54/XM-388</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">I shoot apples at a 1,000 yards all day long with my DSA FAL Carbine. <span style="text-decoration: underline">If I do my part</span>.</span> </div></div>
Anything special you have had to do to get that accuracy out of it? The reason I ask is that a friend of mine is setting up a heavy barreled DSA FAL and trying to see if he can make it into a very accurate rifle. </div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Uhhhhh.... I've never been able to do my part. </span>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: W54/XM-388</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">I shoot apples at a 1,000 yards all day long with my DSA FAL Carbine. <span style="text-decoration: underline">If I do my part</span>.</span> </div></div>
Anything special you have had to do to get that accuracy out of it? The reason I ask is that a friend of mine is setting up a heavy barreled DSA FAL and trying to see if he can make it into a very accurate rifle. </div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Uhhhhh.... I've never been able to do my part. </span>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The design (to me) looks like a mixture of different designs from other manufacturers such as HK, LWRC, SCAR, and POF.</div></div>
You are fairly ignorant if you don't think HK, LWRC, and POF don't copy the original Stoner design, among others...
SCAR is the only rifle that is truly unique, there again, that's not necessarily a good thing. I think it's a horrible rifle and SEAL's think the same thing.
From what I can tell, the FD308 has more unique features and a better overall design than any stoner-type rifle out there.
I purchased my FD308 for $10,000. It's easily worth that due to the quality alone, not withstanding that it's a prototype model and can only go up in value if kept in excellent condition.
You obviously don't know what you're talking about, so you go away.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The design (to me) looks like a mixture of different designs from other manufacturers such as HK, LWRC, SCAR, and POF.</div></div>
You are fairly ignorant if you don't think HK, LWRC, and POF don't copy the original Stoner design, among others...
SCAR is the only rifle that is truly unique, there again, that's not necessarily a good thing. I think it's a horrible rifle and SEAL's think the same thing.
From what I can tell, the FD308 has more unique features and a better overall design than any stoner-type rifle out there.
I purchased my FD308 for $10,000. It's easily worth that due to the quality alone, not withstanding that it's a prototype model and can only go up in value if kept in excellent condition.
You obviously don't know what you're talking about, so you go away.
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As far as a mixture of features. Isnt every product like that? I mean all the AR10 rifles are knockoffs of Stoners original. All cars that have disk brakes and airbags are knockoffs of the 1st ones with those features. I could go on and on for pages but you get my point.
I would not buy a prototype of any rifle though as there is a high likelihood of things going wrong.
Im NOT sticking up for the clown who posted above me either. 10K right....what a joke
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: problemchild</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are we talking about the same gun here?</div></div>
Yes, we are talking about the same gun and yes, I still think it's ugly as hell but that's a personal thing.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=264440280
The design (to me) looks like a mixture of different ideas and designs from other manufacturers.
It must be something special to demand a premium price with a reserve higher than $3400.
Here's the pricing page:
http://www.fd-defense.com/fd308/fd308ordering
</div></div>
As far as a mixture of features. Isnt every product like that? I mean all the AR10 rifles are knockoffs of Stoners original. All cars that have disk brakes and airbags are knockoffs of the 1st ones with those features. I could go on and on for pages but you get my point.
I would not buy a prototype of any rifle though as there is a high likelihood of things going wrong.
Im NOT sticking up for the clown who posted above me either. 10K right....what a joke
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: problemchild</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are we talking about the same gun here?</div></div>
Yes, we are talking about the same gun and yes, I still think it's ugly as hell but that's a personal thing.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=264440280
The design (to me) looks like a mixture of different ideas and designs from other manufacturers.
It must be something special to demand a premium price with a reserve higher than $3400.
Here's the pricing page:
http://www.fd-defense.com/fd308/fd308ordering
</div></div>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dslmtrcle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The design (to me) looks like a mixture of different designs from other manufacturers such as HK, LWRC, SCAR, and POF.</div></div>
You are fairly ignorant if you don't think HK, LWRC, and POF don't copy the original Stoner design, among others...
SCAR is the only rifle that is truly unique, there again, that's not necessarily a good thing. I think it's a horrible rifle and SEAL's think the same thing.
From what I can tell, the FD308 has more unique features and a better overall design than any stoner-type rifle out there.
<span style="font-weight: bold">I purchased my FD308 for $10,000. It's easily worth that due to the quality alone, not withstanding that it's a prototype model and can only go up in value if kept in excellent condition.
You obviously don't know what you're talking about, so you go away.</span></div></div>
You purchased that rifle for $10,000...and you have the audacity to call <span style="font-style: italic">ME</span> ignorant?! ROFLMFAO!
Listen, douche, just because you overpaid for your rifle it doesn't make it better than everything else on the market. If you need to tell yourself that in order to feel better about being raped without being offered any lube, by my guest.
There are <span style="font-style: italic">MANY</span> rifles on this forum that I have no doubt would give that $10,000 rifle of yours a run for its money and they don't come with a $10,000 price tag.
People like you are who they were talking about when it was said: <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">a <span style="text-decoration: underline">fool</span> and his money are soon parted</span>.</span>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: problemchild</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As far as a mixture of features. Isnt every product like that? I mean all the AR10 rifles are knockoffs of Stoners original. All cars that have disk brakes and airbags are knockoffs of the 1st ones with those features. I could go on and on for pages but you get my point.
I would not buy a prototype of any rifle though as there is a high likelihood of things going wrong.
Im NOT sticking up for the clown who posted above me either. 10K right....what a joke
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: problemchild</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are we talking about the same gun here?</div></div>
Yes, we are talking about the same gun and yes, I still think it's ugly as hell but that's a personal thing.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=264440280
The design (to me) looks like a mixture of different ideas and designs from other manufacturers.
It must be something special to demand a premium price with a reserve higher than $3400.
Here's the pricing page:
http://www.fd-defense.com/fd308/fd308ordering
</div></div></div></div>
I agree with you that every rifle builds off of previous technology and innovation. I simply meant that I saw designs/ideas that reminded me of certain aspects of other manufacturers such as HK, LWRC, SCAR, and POF. I was in no way implying that they were the ones who came up with the idea or technology.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dslmtrcle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The design (to me) looks like a mixture of different designs from other manufacturers such as HK, LWRC, SCAR, and POF.</div></div>
You are fairly ignorant if you don't think HK, LWRC, and POF don't copy the original Stoner design, among others...
SCAR is the only rifle that is truly unique, there again, that's not necessarily a good thing. I think it's a horrible rifle and SEAL's think the same thing.
From what I can tell, the FD308 has more unique features and a better overall design than any stoner-type rifle out there.
<span style="font-weight: bold">I purchased my FD308 for $10,000. It's easily worth that due to the quality alone, not withstanding that it's a prototype model and can only go up in value if kept in excellent condition.
You obviously don't know what you're talking about, so you go away.</span></div></div>
You purchased that rifle for $10,000...and you have the audacity to call <span style="font-style: italic">ME</span> ignorant?! ROFLMFAO!
Listen, douche, just because you overpaid for your rifle it doesn't make it better than everything else on the market. If you need to tell yourself that in order to feel better about being raped without being offered any lube, by my guest.
There are <span style="font-style: italic">MANY</span> rifles on this forum that I have no doubt would give that $10,000 rifle of yours a run for its money and they don't come with a $10,000 price tag.
People like you are who they were talking about when it was said: <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">a <span style="text-decoration: underline">fool</span> and his money are soon parted</span>.</span>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: problemchild</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As far as a mixture of features. Isnt every product like that? I mean all the AR10 rifles are knockoffs of Stoners original. All cars that have disk brakes and airbags are knockoffs of the 1st ones with those features. I could go on and on for pages but you get my point.
I would not buy a prototype of any rifle though as there is a high likelihood of things going wrong.
Im NOT sticking up for the clown who posted above me either. 10K right....what a joke
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: problemchild</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are we talking about the same gun here?</div></div>
Yes, we are talking about the same gun and yes, I still think it's ugly as hell but that's a personal thing.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=264440280
The design (to me) looks like a mixture of different ideas and designs from other manufacturers.
It must be something special to demand a premium price with a reserve higher than $3400.
Here's the pricing page:
http://www.fd-defense.com/fd308/fd308ordering
</div></div></div></div>
I agree with you that every rifle builds off of previous technology and innovation. I simply meant that I saw designs/ideas that reminded me of certain aspects of other manufacturers such as HK, LWRC, SCAR, and POF. I was in no way implying that they were the ones who came up with the idea or technology.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dslmtrcle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I purchased my FD308 for $10,000.</div></div>
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA*heart attack*AAAAHHHHHH
They look like nice rifles & I think the 338 lapua concept is bitchin' but 10k..................
edit: that rifle looks a hell of a lot like one a company here in Cali was making for a short while before they went bankrupt.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dslmtrcle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I purchased my FD308 for $10,000.</div></div>
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA*heart attack*AAAAHHHHHH
They look like nice rifles & I think the 338 lapua concept is bitchin' but 10k..................
edit: that rifle looks a hell of a lot like one a company here in Cali was making for a short while before they went bankrupt.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Awesymoto</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I however expect a $3,500 rifle </div></div>
I know someone who paid 4200? for 16" model when they first came out...but then he's a prison guard here in Cali so he's rich he can afford it
It doesn't shoot better than an inch and chono'd slower than another guy's POF 16" (which actually shot very nice groups).
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Awesymoto</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I however expect a $3,500 rifle </div></div>
I know someone who paid 4200? for 16" model when they first came out...but then he's a prison guard here in Cali so he's rich he can afford it
It doesn't shoot better than an inch and chono'd slower than another guy's POF 16" (which actually shot very nice groups).
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You purchased that rifle for $10,000...and you have the audacity to call ME ignorant?! ROFLMFAO! </div></div>
Ive got 6 people in line right now I could sell this rifle to for $20,000. I make investment purchases only. Obviously the market value of a production rifle is closer to what F&D advertises.
The rifle shoots 1/2 moa. 16" barrel, Federal Gold Match 175, 3.5-15 nightforce scope. First 100 rounds had a few loading/ejection errors, then adjusted gas valve and added a heavier buffer. 1500 rounds since, and no loading or ejection failures. Still 1/2 moa with the Krieger stainless barrel.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You purchased that rifle for $10,000...and you have the audacity to call ME ignorant?! ROFLMFAO! </div></div>
Ive got 6 people in line right now I could sell this rifle to for $20,000. I make investment purchases only. Obviously the market value of a production rifle is closer to what F&D advertises.
The rifle shoots 1/2 moa. 16" barrel, Federal Gold Match 175, 3.5-15 nightforce scope. First 100 rounds had a few loading/ejection errors, then adjusted gas valve and added a heavier buffer. 1500 rounds since, and no loading or ejection failures. Still 1/2 moa with the Krieger stainless barrel.
Re: Best 7.62mm Semi Automatic Sniper Rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dslmtrcle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You purchased that rifle for $10,000...and you have the audacity to call ME ignorant?! ROFLMFAO! </div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Ive got 6 people in line right now I could sell this rifle to for $20,000. I make investment purchases only. Obviously the market value of a production rifle is closer to what F&D advertises.</span></div></div>
So, what you're telling me is they have money to burn/waste because they're willing to pay twice as much as you did to get the same product. If you make investment purchases only, I'm damn sure glad you aren't my stock broker because with "investments" like that, it wouldn't take long for me to be as bankrupt as Bernie Madoff.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dslmtrcle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">The rifle shoots 1/2 moa. 16" barrel, Federal Gold Match 175, 3.5-15 nightforce scope. First 100 rounds had a few loading/ejection errors, then adjusted gas valve and added a heavier buffer. 1500 rounds since, and no loading or ejection failures. Still 1/2 moa with the Krieger stainless barrel.</span></div></div>
What you're boasting of isn't ground breaking accuracy. The GAP-10, POF, and others are known to be sub moa and half moa rifles. In fact, Lowlight himself achieved 3/8 moa with the GAP-10.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dslmtrcle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You purchased that rifle for $10,000...and you have the audacity to call ME ignorant?! ROFLMFAO! </div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Ive got 6 people in line right now I could sell this rifle to for $20,000. I make investment purchases only. Obviously the market value of a production rifle is closer to what F&D advertises.</span></div></div>
So, what you're telling me is they have money to burn/waste because they're willing to pay twice as much as you did to get the same product. If you make investment purchases only, I'm damn sure glad you aren't my stock broker because with "investments" like that, it wouldn't take long for me to be as bankrupt as Bernie Madoff.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dslmtrcle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">The rifle shoots 1/2 moa. 16" barrel, Federal Gold Match 175, 3.5-15 nightforce scope. First 100 rounds had a few loading/ejection errors, then adjusted gas valve and added a heavier buffer. 1500 rounds since, and no loading or ejection failures. Still 1/2 moa with the Krieger stainless barrel.</span></div></div>
What you're boasting of isn't ground breaking accuracy. The GAP-10, POF, and others are known to be sub moa and half moa rifles. In fact, Lowlight himself achieved 3/8 moa with the GAP-10.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dslmtrcle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You purchased that rifle for $10,000...and you have the audacity to call ME ignorant?! ROFLMFAO! </div></div>
Ive got 6 people in line right now I could sell this rifle to for $20,000. I make investment purchases only. Obviously the market value of a production rifle is closer to what F&D advertises.
The rifle shoots 1/2 moa. 16" barrel, Federal Gold Match 175, 3.5-15 nightforce scope. First 100 rounds had a few loading/ejection errors, then adjusted gas valve and added a heavier buffer. 1500 rounds since, and no loading or ejection failures. Still 1/2 moa with the Krieger stainless barrel. </div></div>
So, leaving aside for a moment that A), we're supposed to take a prototype as a representative example of the production model; and B), that it hasn't has enough shots through it to wear out yet; and C), that by your own admission, this was an investment for which you could double your money, or more, and yet we're all expected to believe this opinion is totally objective... In what sense does nothing come close to it?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dslmtrcle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You purchased that rifle for $10,000...and you have the audacity to call ME ignorant?! ROFLMFAO! </div></div>
Ive got 6 people in line right now I could sell this rifle to for $20,000. I make investment purchases only. Obviously the market value of a production rifle is closer to what F&D advertises.
The rifle shoots 1/2 moa. 16" barrel, Federal Gold Match 175, 3.5-15 nightforce scope. First 100 rounds had a few loading/ejection errors, then adjusted gas valve and added a heavier buffer. 1500 rounds since, and no loading or ejection failures. Still 1/2 moa with the Krieger stainless barrel. </div></div>
So, leaving aside for a moment that A), we're supposed to take a prototype as a representative example of the production model; and B), that it hasn't has enough shots through it to wear out yet; and C), that by your own admission, this was an investment for which you could double your money, or more, and yet we're all expected to believe this opinion is totally objective... In what sense does nothing come close to it?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SteelShot11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyone who says an lwrc repr......or any of their guns is garbage is totally full of shit. I don't think SF teams and contractors would risk their lives with their guns if they were crap. They cost a ton of cash for a reason. </div></div>
Where did you get that information that SF teams are using a REPR? What ODA you with? What Group? I could tell you an SF team uses a Red Ryder BB gun, doesn't mean it's true. I've been deployed twice and never once saw an SF team using a REPR. As far as contractors, I've seen them carrying AKs with 3-9x Walmart specials. My buddy's cousin's ex-GF's weed dealer's next door neighbor was a SEAL doesn't count as a source either, I would like to see proof of that statement. They're tons of guns out there that are expensive and not worth it. We could start a thread on over priced guns. If your post was in wwritten to be sarcastic, then I digress. (I vote we add a sarcasm font.) Navy SEALs use Hi Point .45s as side arms, fact.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SteelShot11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyone who says an lwrc repr......or any of their guns is garbage is totally full of shit. I don't think SF teams and contractors would risk their lives with their guns if they were crap. They cost a ton of cash for a reason. </div></div>
Where did you get that information that SF teams are using a REPR? What ODA you with? What Group? I could tell you an SF team uses a Red Ryder BB gun, doesn't mean it's true. I've been deployed twice and never once saw an SF team using a REPR. As far as contractors, I've seen them carrying AKs with 3-9x Walmart specials. My buddy's cousin's ex-GF's weed dealer's next door neighbor was a SEAL doesn't count as a source either, I would like to see proof of that statement. They're tons of guns out there that are expensive and not worth it. We could start a thread on over priced guns. If your post was in wwritten to be sarcastic, then I digress. (I vote we add a sarcasm font.) Navy SEALs use Hi Point .45s as side arms, fact.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dslmtrcle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dslmtrcle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Re: Best 7.62mm Semi Automatic Sniper Rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In what sense does nothing come close to it</div></div>
It's better because I have one and you don't. What else do you want me to say?
The rifle shoots better than you can and better than I can. after 1500 rounds, its reliable, it looks badass, and the quality is astonishing as you can see.
The barrel and shooter are the prime factors in determining accuracy. The barrel is a custom Krieger, so the rest is really up to you.
It's still just a rifle... It wont get you laid and it wont get your truck out of the mud, so there is no point in you throwing a hissy-fit just because you don't have the best.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In what sense does nothing come close to it</div></div>
It's better because I have one and you don't. What else do you want me to say?
The rifle shoots better than you can and better than I can. after 1500 rounds, its reliable, it looks badass, and the quality is astonishing as you can see.
The barrel and shooter are the prime factors in determining accuracy. The barrel is a custom Krieger, so the rest is really up to you.
It's still just a rifle... It wont get you laid and it wont get your truck out of the mud, so there is no point in you throwing a hissy-fit just because you don't have the best.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SteelShot11</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Also, gap, lwrc, Lmt are all great rifles.ccantbgo wrong with any of them. Any rifle ,anifacturer maybproducena lemon but if youngest poor accuracy then just send it back to the manufacturer and they will fix it free of charge.
</div></div>Yep ^
Haha, what?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SteelShot11</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Also, gap, lwrc, Lmt are all great rifles.ccantbgo wrong with any of them. Any rifle ,anifacturer maybproducena lemon but if youngest poor accuracy then just send it back to the manufacturer and they will fix it free of charge.
</div></div>Yep ^
Haha, what?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dslmtrcle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In what sense does nothing come close to it</div></div>
It's better because I have one and you don't. What else do you want me to say?
The rifle shoots better than you can and better than I can. after 1500 rounds, its reliable, it looks badass, and the quality is astonishing as you can see.
The barrel and shooter are the prime factors in determining accuracy. The barrel is a custom Krieger, so the rest is really up to you.
It's still just a rifle... It wont get you laid and it wont get your truck out of the mud, so there is no point in you throwing a hissy-fit just because you don't have the best. </div></div>
Well <span style="font-style: italic">excuuuse me!</span> Case closed, I guess.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dslmtrcle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In what sense does nothing come close to it</div></div>
It's better because I have one and you don't. What else do you want me to say?
The rifle shoots better than you can and better than I can. after 1500 rounds, its reliable, it looks badass, and the quality is astonishing as you can see.
The barrel and shooter are the prime factors in determining accuracy. The barrel is a custom Krieger, so the rest is really up to you.
It's still just a rifle... It wont get you laid and it wont get your truck out of the mud, so there is no point in you throwing a hissy-fit just because you don't have the best. </div></div>
Well <span style="font-style: italic">excuuuse me!</span> Case closed, I guess.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dslmtrcle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In what sense does nothing come close to it</div></div>
It's better because I have one and you don't. What else do you want me to say?
The rifle shoots better than you can and better than I can. after 1500 rounds, its reliable, it looks badass, and the quality is astonishing as you can see.
The barrel and shooter are the prime factors in determining accuracy. The barrel is a custom Krieger, so the rest is really up to you.
It's still just a rifle... It wont get you laid and it wont get your truck out of the mud, so there is no point in you throwing a hissy-fit just because you don't have the best.</div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dslmtrcle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In what sense does nothing come close to it</div></div>
It's better because I have one and you don't. What else do you want me to say?
The rifle shoots better than you can and better than I can. after 1500 rounds, its reliable, it looks badass, and the quality is astonishing as you can see.
The barrel and shooter are the prime factors in determining accuracy. The barrel is a custom Krieger, so the rest is really up to you.
It's still just a rifle... It wont get you laid and it wont get your truck out of the mud, so there is no point in you throwing a hissy-fit just because you don't have the best.</div></div>
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<span style="font-style: italic">SCAR is the only rifle that is truly unique, there again, that's not necessarily a good thing. I think it's a horrible rifle and SEAL's think the same thing.</span>
Dude, I just watched a SEAL team carry SCARS through the entire USSOC sniper comp as primary!
<span style="font-style: italic">SCAR is the only rifle that is truly unique, there again, that's not necessarily a good thing. I think it's a horrible rifle and SEAL's think the same thing.</span>
Dude, I just watched a SEAL team carry SCARS through the entire USSOC sniper comp as primary!
Re: Best 7.62mm Semi Automatic Sniper Rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dslmtrcle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In what sense does nothing come close to it</div></div>It's better because I have one and you don't. What else do you want me to say?</div></div>We want you to demonstrate your knowledge about the rifle and about why you hold the opinion that you stated.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dslmtrcle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The rifle shoots better than you can and better than I can. after 1500 rounds, its reliable, it looks badass, and the quality is astonishing as you can see. The barrel and shooter are the prime factors in determining accuracy. The barrel is a custom Krieger, so the rest is really up to you.</div></div>You have still not provided any evidence as to how well the rifle shoots. Looking 'badass' after 1500 rounds is not a characteristic relevant to accuracy, and the shooter is not a factor which determines the accuracy of a rifle.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dslmtrcle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In what sense does nothing come close to it</div></div>It's better because I have one and you don't. What else do you want me to say?</div></div>We want you to demonstrate your knowledge about the rifle and about why you hold the opinion that you stated.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dslmtrcle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The rifle shoots better than you can and better than I can. after 1500 rounds, its reliable, it looks badass, and the quality is astonishing as you can see. The barrel and shooter are the prime factors in determining accuracy. The barrel is a custom Krieger, so the rest is really up to you.</div></div>You have still not provided any evidence as to how well the rifle shoots. Looking 'badass' after 1500 rounds is not a characteristic relevant to accuracy, and the shooter is not a factor which determines the accuracy of a rifle.
Re: Best 7.62mm Semi Automatic Sniper Rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dslmtrcle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe, just maybe, LWRC got it backwards. They make shitty rifles most of the time and every now and then an accurate lemon falls through the cracks... Damn, I got lucky wink</div></div>
That statement exactly reflects my experience with them. </div></div>
My statement reaks with scarcastic tones...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dslmtrcle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe, just maybe, LWRC got it backwards. They make shitty rifles most of the time and every now and then an accurate lemon falls through the cracks... Damn, I got lucky wink</div></div>
That statement exactly reflects my experience with them. </div></div>
My statement reaks with scarcastic tones...
Re: Best 7.62mm Semi Automatic Sniper Rifle
I think the LMT MWS or SR25EX would be the way to go.
The SR25EX is lighter but more expensive. If someone could flute the barrel on the LMT gun, it would probably be just as good.
The SCAR-H is supposed to be a good gun, but the barrel is a little light. That's my major gripe on it. The thin barrels seem to throw rounds a little erratic when they heat up even a little bit.
I talked to a Hide member on the phone and he said his did have that problem.
I think the LMT MWS or SR25EX would be the way to go.
The SR25EX is lighter but more expensive. If someone could flute the barrel on the LMT gun, it would probably be just as good.
The SCAR-H is supposed to be a good gun, but the barrel is a little light. That's my major gripe on it. The thin barrels seem to throw rounds a little erratic when they heat up even a little bit.
I talked to a Hide member on the phone and he said his did have that problem.
Re: Best 7.62mm Semi Automatic Sniper Rifle
dslmtrcle, you should have sold your "$10k" rifle for the "$20k" offer and paid $2400 for a GAP10, P308 etc. Then we might have seen you as the wise man you claim to be.
"I have one and you don't"... just doesn't quite cut it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dslmtrcle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The rifle shoots 1/2 moa. 16" barrel, Federal Gold Match 175, 3.5-15 nightforce scope. First 100 rounds had a few loading/ejection errors, then adjusted gas valve and added a heavier buffer. 1500 rounds since, and no loading or ejection failures. Still 1/2 moa with the Krieger stainless barrel. </div></div>
Nor does that ^
dslmtrcle, you should have sold your "$10k" rifle for the "$20k" offer and paid $2400 for a GAP10, P308 etc. Then we might have seen you as the wise man you claim to be.
"I have one and you don't"... just doesn't quite cut it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dslmtrcle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The rifle shoots 1/2 moa. 16" barrel, Federal Gold Match 175, 3.5-15 nightforce scope. First 100 rounds had a few loading/ejection errors, then adjusted gas valve and added a heavier buffer. 1500 rounds since, and no loading or ejection failures. Still 1/2 moa with the Krieger stainless barrel. </div></div>
Nor does that ^
Re: Best 7.62mm Semi Automatic Sniper Rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redirt78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">dslmtrcle, you should have sold your "$10k" rifle for the "$20k" offer and paid $2400 for a GAP10, P308 etc. Then we might have seen you as the wise man you claim to be.</div></div>
Hell, for $20,000 he could purchase the GAP-10, P308, and a Barrett MRAD with enough cash left over for badass glass for all!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redirt78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">dslmtrcle, you should have sold your "$10k" rifle for the "$20k" offer and paid $2400 for a GAP10, P308 etc. Then we might have seen you as the wise man you claim to be.</div></div>
Hell, for $20,000 he could purchase the GAP-10, P308, and a Barrett MRAD with enough cash left over for badass glass for all!
Re: Best 7.62mm Semi Automatic Sniper Rifle
If he doesn't change his name and try again I think the "you paid 10k for your rifle, didn't you" handle will stick with him for years.
If he doesn't change his name and try again I think the "you paid 10k for your rifle, didn't you" handle will stick with him for years.
Re: Best 7.62mm Semi Automatic Sniper Rifle
Hey I have a Prototype of the world famous CounterSniper scope. Its serial number 1. I would let it go for $12,000 and thats a hell of a deal. That price is to you only. All other will have to pay 20k.
Hey I have a Prototype of the world famous CounterSniper scope. Its serial number 1. I would let it go for $12,000 and thats a hell of a deal. That price is to you only. All other will have to pay 20k.
Re: Best 7.62mm Semi Automatic Sniper Rifle
You go looking for proof on an internet forum... wow.
Bring any 308 semi-auto you want down to the San Antonio shoot. I'll put my guy and my rifle up against yours, and there you will have your proof.
If my guy wins I take your rifle, and vice versa. That offer goes to anyone.
You go looking for proof on an internet forum... wow.
Bring any 308 semi-auto you want down to the San Antonio shoot. I'll put my guy and my rifle up against yours, and there you will have your proof.
If my guy wins I take your rifle, and vice versa. That offer goes to anyone.
Re: Best 7.62mm Semi Automatic Sniper Rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dslmtrcle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You go looking for proof on an internet forum... wow.
Bring any 308 semi-auto you want down to the San Antonio shoot. I'll put my guy and my rifle up against yours, and there you will have your proof.
If my guy wins I take your rifle, and vice versa. That offer goes to anyone.</div></div>
Post some groups as proof positive that this rifle of yours is all you say it is because without it, you're full of shit.
We didn't come seeking you out about your rifle. You came to this forum and began spouting off a bunch of bullshit about how your $10,000 prototype is better than anything else the competition has to offer..."hands down...nothing comes remotely close."
There's nothing wrong with being proud and happy with your investment. It's something different altogether when you create an account and in your first post, you start making wild claims and soon thereafter, being talking shit.
Put up or shut up. Post your range results with this "astounding" rifle of yours.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dslmtrcle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You go looking for proof on an internet forum... wow.
Bring any 308 semi-auto you want down to the San Antonio shoot. I'll put my guy and my rifle up against yours, and there you will have your proof.
If my guy wins I take your rifle, and vice versa. That offer goes to anyone.</div></div>
Post some groups as proof positive that this rifle of yours is all you say it is because without it, you're full of shit.
We didn't come seeking you out about your rifle. You came to this forum and began spouting off a bunch of bullshit about how your $10,000 prototype is better than anything else the competition has to offer..."hands down...nothing comes remotely close."
There's nothing wrong with being proud and happy with your investment. It's something different altogether when you create an account and in your first post, you start making wild claims and soon thereafter, being talking shit.
Put up or shut up. Post your range results with this "astounding" rifle of yours.
Re: Best 7.62mm Semi Automatic Sniper Rifle
You're just the same ole forum junky. Always looking for something to bash or prove a point.
If I post range reports you will come up with some excuse as to why they are fake, not mine, no telling what rifle they came from, what the conditions were, how far away from the target I was, how many times it took to get that report...etc, etc, etc.
You are the one who is full of shit, and no matter what I post you will come up with something unfounded to rebuke with.
Just accept the facts and move on.
You're just the same ole forum junky. Always looking for something to bash or prove a point.
If I post range reports you will come up with some excuse as to why they are fake, not mine, no telling what rifle they came from, what the conditions were, how far away from the target I was, how many times it took to get that report...etc, etc, etc.
You are the one who is full of shit, and no matter what I post you will come up with something unfounded to rebuke with.
Just accept the facts and move on.
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