Best Electonic Hearing Protection

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That's their cheaper version. Shouldn't be compared to ESPs higher versions. ESP makes a $1600 digital as well but most would be very happy with the $900 ESP version. I believe the sound quality was compared as an FM radio compared to a CD in the digital models.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's their cheaper version. Shouldn't be compared to ESPs higher versions. ESP makes a $1600 digital as well but most would be very happy with the $900 ESP version. I believe the sound quality was compared as an FM radio compared to a CD in the digital models. </div></div>

Rob01 is right. The technology levels can't really be compared to each other with regard to price point. I can't speak for the ESPs, but with Westone, the pricing differences are all due to different programs within the circuitry. I have a set of each of the digital products, and, frankly, the Digital 1 is my go-to device. The quick release time of the Digital 2 gets annoying with rapid shooting, and the wind program of the Hunter just isn't worth the price difference to me - just my opinion, though.
 
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With all this talk about ESP, makes me second guess my SportEAR purchase.

I cannot imagine anything better than what I bought as the SportEAR is very nice (to me anyway).

My only problem and I guess it isn't that big of an issue is that the #10 battery only lasts about 2.5 to 3 weeks with or without use.
***EDIT I may have left mine on a few times between shooting sessions. Went out to test fire this am and they were on from Sundays shoot***

I shot a VIAS brake this weekend and both shooters between me had similar if not the same. (100 plus rounds in a VS Shoot)

With my hearing, the SportEAR performed great. Couldn't imagine going back to bulky hot muffs in what I do.

Anyone have any input between the ESP and SportEAR? Just curious.
 
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I am over 200 hrs of use on the same set of batteries.

ESP says I will get 220 hours and six weeks out of a set of batteries!!
 
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Jack,

Can you provide some comparison info for us between the ESP digital and the Defendear digital. I am looking for an "apples to apples" comparison. I am interested in digital, not analog. The Westone digital 1 is less expensive than what appears to be the comparable ESP elite digital.

Any comments will be appreciated. Thanks
 
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Trovan,

The ESP Elite Digital and the DefendEar Digital 1 are simular circuit technology. The main difference it the ESP is fully custom where the DefendEar is a modular product. The electronics module is separate from the earplug. Not necessarily a bad thing, just different.
- Because the module is smaller it uses a smaller battery (size 312 vs 13) so a little less battery life.
- Smaller Volume Control knob.
- The module sticks out from the mold about .250 in. - ESP is flush with the ear.
- Can be difficult to fit small ears because the module is a fixed size.

The difference is cost is related to that fact that each ESP is completely custom built. With the DefendEar the electronics module can be mass produced and only the earplug is custom.

I have the DefendEars myself. I have used them and I like them enough that ESP is an Authorized Dealer for them.

Jack Homa
 
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A word about earplug batteries.

All of the electronic plugs use a Zinc Air hearing aid battery for power. The good news is that they are relatively inexpensive at about a buck each. The bad news is since they are "air activated" once you remove the paper tab they are only good for about 6 weeks wether you use them or not.

The also have a shelf life so don't stock up a 10 year supply. Get them from a pharmacy or a Hearing Aid store where they sell a lot.

Jack Homa
 
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I've been using the MSA's and they work well. I do have a question about electronic ear pro. Is there a product that does a good job in providing direction on where the sounds comes from? It's weird that when a person calls my name or I hear a shot on the range, I can't really tell what direction it's coming from.
 
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All product will effect direction of sound, some more some less. The main thing you need to to is balance the amplification level between the left and right ears.

The way that the brain determines the direction the direction of sound is by the minute time difference in sound reaching each ear. Earplugs (versus muffs) tend to do a better job because the microphone is closer to the natural position of the ear canal.

Jack Homa
 
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Mute you can do either and Jack will give you a credit towards the cost of the molds of the price of the ESP unit so it's like you went to a dealer. You just need to send the receipt in to him when you order. I didn't have any dealers local so I sent my molds to Jack for my set.
 
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bwo6.5 welcome to the club you will be blown away by them!!

Hell i am sure you have been wearing them walking around the house. I bet you are picking up insane amounts of sounds you would have never heard before!!

To me the eye opener was all the birds I can hear chirping around me. I cant tell you the last time I heard birds outside chirping!

The product is well worth the money!
 
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Any of you guys running these electronic plugs fired big braked boomers like 338 or 375? How about a 357 sig or 10mm? I'm curious if they provide enough attenuation?

To the best of my knowledge, these things are only good for a max of 25Db attenuation, which is pretty marginal for a braked 338

Recently, I arrived at a match with my 338 and realized I didn't have plugs - I only had muffs. Well, recoil was momentarily popping my right muff off a little, and I rung my ear a little - so I'm pretty serious about a GOOD solution.
 
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I have ran the 338LM TRG 42 with the Sport EAR and have felt very comfy with them. Also, 44 mag with very hot loads (flame thrower). I may be a bit more forgiving, but my ears ring at the slightest so I think they do there job.
 
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My duty gun is a .357 sig and I work on the range and wear these every day no issues.

I shot the SHC with a .300 win Mag with a brake and only wore these and I had no problems at all.

The noise reduction with my ESP's in were better then when I wear foamies alone or muffs by themself. Muffs move aound and I lose the seal.

Plus having the added advantage of being able to hear everything around me is huge.

When I go back to working the streets I probably will wear mine on daily patrol as they are comfortable and give me that advantage.
 
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I'll have to think hard about the cash outlay. Nomad, it sounds like these can legitimately be considered a part of your job requirements - pretty easy to amortize the cost that way. For me its just a game, though I shoot a LOT, so...
 
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I have made them a part of my daily use at work.

My original intent was to protect what hearing i have left. After 20 years of competetive shooting and 10 years of miliitary service my hearing is rapidly declining. I am just turning 40 and hearing ear doctors say you will need hearing aids some time soon if you dont protect your ears is a real eye opener.

The ringing in my ears is a full time thing and its loud. When I shoot matches i can barely hear the shot timer beep go off unless they stick it right next to my ear. To talk at a range i have to take my foamies out to hear.

My goal was to get my back where i didnt have any limitations while protecting my ears.

I have wore every brand of muffs and foamies and a combo of each and to this point nothing has been as effective and on par with the ESP's.

I spent almost a year researching and looking and in the end the expense out weighed the loss of hearing.

Everyone's budget is different. All i have to say is if you can swing it buy the best pair you can and you wont regret it.
 
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Hey guys,
I'm intrigued by the idea of electronic hearing protection/aids. To date I've been fairly old school using various plugs (foam type and rubber insert) as well as a few muffs, one model being very thin. I'm curious how much of a luxury it actually is to invest in this type of product, even the real economical variety. It seems that the NR rating is usually highest with dense foam plugs... Aside from hunting purposes have any of you found them espescially beneficial?

Note: ear plugs, blutooth devices etc... Ive always found to be incredibly uncomfortable, both gel coated and over-the-ear models. Any of you had a similiar issue and still felt that these were still worth while?

I guess I'm interested in possibly starting with a pair of a less expensive type and am looking to justify my probably not so necessary purchase.
 
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Here is the review that we just posted on the Team Blaster website on the ESP's

Electronic Shooters Protection
By Tony Gimmellie
You only have one set of ears and you need to protect them while you can. Over the last 21 years
I have exposed my ears to a lot of loud noises ranging from rock concerts, power tools, to
machine gun and rocket fire. This exposure to noise can occur throughout your day to day life,
hobbies and your work profession.
During my 10 years in the Marine Corps my ears were exposed and damaged. I did wear hearing
protection at all times to help protect my ears but damage was still occurring. Over the last 20
years of military and law enforcement I have used every type of hearing protection, from the
foam plugs, muffs, electronic muffs and every combination of both.
All of these hearing protections have good and bad qualities, but they still never gave me exactly
what I needed. I can’t tell you how many sets of electronic muffs that broke or I would loose one
ear in them. Shooting rifles and shotguns with muffs was a pain. It would either move the ear pro
off my ears exposing me to loud noise as well as slowing me down making shooting
uncomfortable. So I would have to double up inside ears and muffs. Well now I couldn’t hear
people talk or the shot timer beep or start signal. So I then would have to pull my ear pro off to
be able to hear which caused me to be exposed to other shooting on other ranges. So this lead me
to wear just in ear foamies to fix the above mentioned problems. Well that wasn’t enough
protection to protect my ears. I would come back from matches knowing I damaged my ears
even more.
Last year I decided enough was enough and I started researching electronic in ear hearing
protection that could be molded for my ears and give me maximum protection as well as be
comfortable for all day use and wear. After contacting numerous companies and learning about
their products, one company stood out as the over all leader in all these categories as well as the
best choice to suit my needs.
ESP- Electronic Shooters Protection became the choice for protecting my ears. The next question
was what model did I want and what were the advantages of each type. I was ready to spend
whatever money it took in order to get the best pair I could afford.
I still had numerous questions on the products so I decided to email ESP to get a few answers to
help me make my decision. Immediately upon sending my email I received an email back from
Jack Homa the owner of ESP. Jack sent me multiple emails over the course of the next week
answering my questions helping me break down the differences between each pair to find the
one that would work for me.
ESP offers multiple options for you to choose from. Check out their site at this link to find the
ones that fit your needs. You can also find the technical specs of all the ESP’s there as well.
A lot went into making my decision on exactly what pair to pick. My hearing is decreasing each
year and I know if I didn’t take the proper steps to protect my ears I will be wearing hearing aids
real soon. I also needed to be able to hear around me while getting the max protection. I needed a
pair that I could wear comfortably for 8-10 hours at a time. My plan was to use these on the
firing line on a daily basis as a Firearms Instructor where I need to talk and communicate with
shooters, as well while competing in matches.
Once I made up my mind I went with the ESP Stealth model of hearing protection.
ESP Stealth - http://www.espamerica.com/p-22-stealth-digital-shooting-shooters-electronichearing-
protection-ear-plugs-ear-buds-earplugs-earbuds.aspx
The next step was to go to an ear doctor and get molds of my ears made. ESP also has dealers all
around the country, check their website to find a dealer near you. I made an appointment and $70
later and 20 minutes of my time I had good quality ear molds to send to Jack for him to make my
Stealth’s from. It was a very fast process. I received my ESP’s in 12 days from the time I sent the
molds in.
Upon receiving my new Stealth’s I quickly popped the batteries in and went to work. All of
ESP’s ear protection runs off the commonly found 1.4 volt hearing aid style batteries you can
find at almost any store. Average life span per battery is roughly 250 hours of use or 6 weeks
from the time you peel the label off the back of the battery.
I popped them into my ears without turning them on to check the fit. They fit tight and firm into
my ear and they were comfortable. In addition to that I was amazed at how quite and how much
actual sound reduction the Stealth’s provided to me when they were off. Now it was time to turn
them on and see what I could hear. Holy crap!!!, were the next words out of my mouth. I could
not believe how crystal clear and how much I could hear with these in place. I wore them for
awhile around the house but the real test was to come when I went to work the next day.
I arrived at work and couldn’t wait to go on the range and test these out. I tested them all by
themselves, I tested them with electronic muffs that were turned on or off as well as tested with
just the ESP’s by themselves in the off position. I am happy to report that they work in all
configurations flawlessly. None the less I was able to communicate with shooters on the line and
clearly hear what they were saying.
A few days later I was off to shoot a match up in Wyoming . I was shooting a 300 Winchester
Magnum at this match and I chose to only use the ESP’s and no muffs. My thoughts were if my
ears didn’t ring or feel like they were exposed to damage during this that this was a homerun.
While at the match I wore the Stealth’s all day and they were comfortable in my ears and I was
able to hear and communicate with no issues. At one point I was talking to my teammate Rob
who was 120 yards away and 50 feet below me as we stood on opposite mountain ridge’s. We
were able to have a conversation with each other while using a casual talking voice. Oh and to
make it even more impressive, there was a 12 MPH wind blowing as well. The other thing I
noticed was I could hear birds chirping!!! Yes you may not find that impressive but for me it
was, for the simple fact my hearing has been so bad I can’t tell you when I heard birds chirp.
Since then I have used my Stealth’s on a daily basis with no issues, and to be honest this was a
great investment. I know a lot of people out there are looking at the price and saying they are a
bit pricey. But my question to you is, What is your hearing worth? A set of hearing aids when
you finally damage your ears bad enough will cost you 2-3 times. The price of what the ESP’s
will cost you and you will have to wear them the rest of your life. Also add up how much you
have spent on electronic muffs and foamies and how often you are replacing them and not
getting what you need out of them and you will quickly see that the money on the ESP’s is worth
it.
If you are looking for quality hearing protection, then look no further then ESP. Team Blaster
fully endorses and uses ESP for all our shooting needs and so should you.
ESP’s Contact Info:
ESP America
15290 Gadsden Ct.
Brighton , CO 80603
Phone – 303-659-8844
Fax – 303-659-8668
Email – [email protected]
http://www.espamerica.com
 
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The technology sounds pretty incredible. They have come a long way over the years. To think that not only can something be custom fit exactly to block noise but provide audible detection and clarity to the extent you describe is almost beyond belief.

What's your take on a good place to start with this type of technology? Im definitely interested but torn on what im willing to spend. I don't believe I am quite ready to shell out 2k+ quite yet. However, i'm sure as with most things that below a certain level is not worth it. Where do you believe this line begins? I would rather not dump 1,2 or 300 dollars down the drain if decent products don't start till the 500 mark.
If its not a substantial luxury in comparison to regular plugs or muffs I would likely hold off.
Any thoughts or suggestions? Even electronic muffs?

Any advice is much appreciated-
 
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Every time I read about the electronic hearing protection available that fits in the ear, I am more sold on buying a set when I get some money saved up. When I was younger and lived in the country, I shot rifles quite frequently with no hearing protection. Paying for it now with constant ringing in my ears. I have even gone to wearing hearing protection while mowing and weed eating the yard to help prevent any new damage as much as possible to my ears.
 
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What my hearing is worth is an interesting question. But implies that there are only two choices - protect your hearing with ESPs, or do nothing. The range of solutions actually cost from 30 cents to more than a $2,000. To ESP's credit, they don't claim to suppress sound better. I use MSA's and/or earplugs depending on the level of blast I'm exposed to.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ESP makes a $900 pair as well that works very well. Most people will drop that much on some cool gear or double that on a scope. What's your hearing worth? </div></div>
 
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I have the sport ears and really like them. The amplification works well. The best feature is the ability to hear better while hunting. I chose them because you can hear very low whispers while stalking dangerous game.
 
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Nomad and others,

I also have alot of hearing damage from shooting/rock concerts.... At age 50, I have constant loud ringing and severe hearing loss in the high frequencies, (thats what shooting does to you). I had my hearing evaluated and eventually purchased hearing aids, the Unitron Moxi Pro. Certainly not cheap at $6,500 a pair. Less expensive aids are available from discount stores such as Costo. But beware, according to my audiologist, those aids require programing by the buyer, or contain older decomissioned technology.

What the audiologist explained to me was that if you do nothing about your hearing loss, eventually your brain stops listening to the garbeled noise coming from your ears. As a result, you begin to experience neurological damage. In other words, the nerves between your ears and brain begin to atrophy, and the loss excelerates.

So the bottom line is get your hearing checked, and spend the money on aids if you need them to prevent further damage. The new programable digital technologies are incredible.

******THIS IS THE COOL PART SO DONT MISS IT!!!*****

Your audiologist can make a set of custom ear plugs that offer max attenuation, something like 33db, that your new hearing aids will plug into for shooting! I have a "hunting" program in my hearing aids that suppresses anything over 18db, but allow you to hear normal sounds like speech. I set my hearing aids to the hunting program, and plug them into my custom molds. This provides max hearing protection with the latest digital technology. There was no extra charge for the custom fit plugs, which is like a $150 to $200 value.

Yes, hearing aids are expensive. But with a set of custom molds, you can now have the most modern digital technology available, (far more sophisicated than ESPs), that plugs right into your shooting molds.

So while hearing aids are big bucks, but for no additional money, you can incorporate them into custom molds to create extremely effective hearing protection that uses the most modern technology, saving yourself thousands of dollars in electronic hearing protection such as ESP and others like them, which you only use for trips to the range!
 
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At a cost of 2100 dollars they may be awesome. But for just under 2 dollars I get 6 pair of the orange ear plugs at wally world and they work just fine. I also don't care if I lose one or if I have to replace them if they get broke. I always have a pair of spares for a friend and in a pinch they double as a bobber on my fishing line. So I'll take your word for it that they are totally awesome but my orange foam plugs that are rated for 32 db noise reduction will work just fine for me. I've had no problems wearing them for days on end as many of my day jobs required me to wear them everyday I went to work, I have no calisus or sores in my ears from them. So my vote is for the cheapys. But thanks for your insight to the other side of things. I think the most important part is that you use something to protect your ears and eyes, God Bless!
 
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Seems like lots of people who buy the ESPs, and or other primo electronics <span style="font-weight: bold">already</span> have lots of hearing damage. Perhaps there is some insurance coverage for them?

But no f'ing way I'm spending $2,100 when 250+$2 will do the trick, with the only exception being that you can't hear ROs or others talking as well.

Every RO I've met had no trouble getting his voice heard
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Had a 3 day rifle course last week and wore my ESP Stealths. Very impressed. I wore them 8-10 hours a day and had zero issues. I was able to hear the instructor and they did a great job blocking out the 16+ rifles that were shooting.
 
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Sport EAR user: After running through my second pack of batteries I can tell you that this electronic hearing protection will not hold the batteries more than two weeks without going dead.
New set was installed on the 5th, dead on the 19th (not used in between).
New set put in today, I am sure they will not make it two weeks setting the in the console of the truck w/o use as every two weeks regardless I have to install new batteries.
I shoot a local VS match every month and shoot for practice and testing at least every couple weekends in between.
My mileage sucks!
BTW, these use Size 10 batteries.

I wouldn't go back to anything else other than a similar set up. Muffs just don't work anymore once you run something like these battery usage or not.
 
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i was just wondering how many people here use ESP'S that are normal everyday people who are hobby shooters(weekend shooter). NOT the guys who are sponsored or who sell them
which will have a bias opinion of them.
 
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I dont wear my esp stealths everyday. Im a weekend shooter with an occasional class a few times a year. Dont regret buying them one bit!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: joemusso</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i was just wondering how many people here use ESP'S that are normal everyday people who are hobby shooters(weekend shooter). NOT the guys who are sponsored or who sell them
which will have a bias opinion of them.</div></div>

I just got a pair of Stealths. Expensive, sure, but this is a relative thing. There are tons of amateur shooters on here who run multiple $4K+ rifles and $3k+ optics, so a part of someone's decision to buy these units is connected to their level of disposable income, and being able to afford the units, not whether they're sponsored by ESP.
 
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the reason i asked for everyday people is because who ever is sponsored by them will defiantly have a bias opinion that is what they are basically contracted to do. do you think they will say they are a wast of money when they are getting them for free or a very deep discount.

and who ever sells them will do or say what ever they have to to sell a 2000 dollar pair.

i was not attacking anyone i just want to hear from the average guy who has ESP'S with out a bias option.

i just want to know it they are worth the money for the average guy.
 
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Hey everyone I had a question figured I would ask in here no need to start a new thread. Wanted to see if you guys could give me some info. I see most precision shooters using in ear, I was looking at getting a set of Peltor SportTac but wanted to ask to see what your guys opinions on over ear was? Does it get in the way? any reason not to get them? Just hate to order something and have to send it back.
 
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Have sordins and ESP. Sordins were the best over the ear protection after trying many types (and do get the silicone ear cups), but once you have used quality in-ear protection, nothing comes close. Great for all kinds of shooting, particularly hunting.
 
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I use mine 8 hours a day 5-6 days a week.

You will get about 225-250 hours of use from a set of batteries.

They will last about 6 weeks once you pull the protective sticker cover off the batteries!!
 
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You won't be disappointed. You will be wondering why you didn't do it soon.
 
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Nomad,

Would you mind offering your personal insight on dealing with the batteries? Has there been much variation with your heavy / daily usage? How do you manage keeping spares vs/ the limited shelf life? Do you ever run into 'new' batteries that are not up to 6-weeks of service? What wis

Thanks for sharing your story. I'd like to avoid the old range masters disease of having to wear plastic ears.