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So I’m new to this long range addiction. I like most of us here I’m sure, will spend good money on good gear.

That said, who builds the best rings out there in terms of quality and strength? If price wasn’t an issue, what would you guys pick? Thanks guys.
 
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L2bravo said:
So I’m new to this long range addiction. I like most of us here I’m sure, will spend good money on good gear.

That said, who builds the best rings out there in terms of quality and strength? If price wasn’t an issue, what would you guys pick? Thanks guys.
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I've standardized on Spuhr One Piece mounts. At this point, I won't use anything else, they are perfect for my needs.

https://www.milehighshooting.com/spuhr-sp-4006-34mm-picatinny-mount-0mil-0moa-1-35/

Call them, they may be able to help you :whistle::whistle::whistle:. Maybe mention Sniper's Hide ?......
 
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So I’ve got a set of Vortex on one gun. I haven’t had any problems to speak of, but honestly I’m probabaly not skilled enough on the bolt gun world to know if they are as good as any of the best out there. Any input on them?
 
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L2bravo said:
So I’ve got a set of Vortex on one gun. I haven’t had any problems to speak of, but honestly I’m probabaly not skilled enough on the bolt gun world to know if they are as good as any of the best out there. Any input on them?
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are they the Vortex PMR rings? they are made by seekins and no issues with them. a lot of people use those. i ran a few pair as well and loved them
 
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L2bravo said:
So I’ve got a set of Vortex on one gun. I haven’t had any problems to speak of, but honestly I’m probabaly not skilled enough on the bolt gun world to know if they are as good as any of the best out there. Any input on them?
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One of Vortex's models is produced by Seekins. Those will be solid. Not sure about the rest of them.
 
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I would be surprised if anyone that has SPUHR mounts thinks anything else is better or "stronger".

With that said, and with the fact that they run in upwards of $400, what are you shooting where you need "The Strongest"?
As was mentioned, I have big, magnum rifles that have NF, ARC, and Badger rings that are 100% solid, and the scopes have never moved over thousands of rounds fired and rough handling in some cases. Is the SPUHR twice as good and worth double? I obviously have two, so I'm hesitant to say no, but the actual answer probably is "no". A set of CNCed rings from NF, Badger, or a whole host of companies will do what they're supposed to do in extreme conditions and under extreme recoil. There isn't a level above, "The Scope does not move". Rings are a pass/fail kind of piece of equipment to me.

I do think if you're not shooting high recoil cartridges and/or shooting in extreme environments (OAF) the SPUHR is massive overkill. Even then the evidence I have is that a solid, regular set of rings from a good company will accomplish the same thing.
 
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Spuhr. Built like a bank vault, but I actually make use of the accessory system on them, as well. I've got an Angle Cosine Indicator in a Spuhr adapter (only gets installed when needed) and a Hawk Hill data card holder. The HHI data card holder lives on the Spuhr on my match gun full time, and I'm planning to add a second to the Spuhr on my trainer. I've considered throwing a MRDS on mine, as well (I know a few friends that run them for target acquisition and/or close range targets). If you're running NV, or a rifle-mounted LRF, then the Spuhr also makes a lot of sense for those use cases.
 
#12
Almost any of the quality rings "will do". That said I've used Vortex/Seekins rings extensively with no issues and then tried ARC M10 rings. I'll never buy another set of rings other than ARC. So stupid easy to set up. Been through many matches with no issues. Decent price. If money was no issue I'd run Spuhrs, but I simply can not justify the cost in my head, when I think the 250 dollar difference would be much better spend toward ammo, glass, etc.
 
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Strongest and most feature rich would go to sphur.
I think they are overkill since most people are running 6.5CM, so I run nightforce if I can because they are the lightest and great quality and anything stronger in my opinion isn’t needed but each to his own.
APA makes some nice rings too. Lots of good companies making quality rings and mounts at the moment.
 
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Ok I’m an idiot. I specifically said Vortex, and meant Seekins. I have the 34mm Seekins. Sorry was thinking about one of my AR mounts.
Which I know Seekins makes, and I have plenty of other Seekins stuff as well. I think they are pretty dang good as a company.

Thank you guys very much for the input! I will start digging around. It’s really nice to have such a resource with so many guys who are obviously more skilled on this platform than myself.

I came from the AR world, where I’m not lost at all. This is a new game, and I am looking forward to getting started. You guys have a good one.
 
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L2bravo said:
So I’m new to this long range addiction. I like most of us here I’m sure, will spend good money on good gear.

That said, who builds the best rings out there in terms of quality and strength? If price wasn’t an issue, what would you guys pick? Thanks guys.
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I spend good money on good gear but I don't spend more than I need to to think I am getting something I am not. Been using Seekins for close to 14 years on match rifles and never an issue. If money wasn't an issue I would keep using them. They are priced well and work. Exactly what I want.
 
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Rob01 said:
I spend good money on good gear but I don't spend more than I need to to think I am getting something I am not. Been using Seekins for close to 14 years on match rifles and never an issue. If money wasn't an issue I would keep using them. They are priced well and work. Exactly what I want.
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Even though I am a BIG fan of the APA rings I agree 110% with Rob's statement. I also have used a lot of Seekins rings and they too are excellent (really the only other rings I use). But the statement about not spending more than is needed to do the job, is spot on. Spuhr's offerings are very nice for sure, but IMO they are kind of a solution looking for a problem. You are paying a LOT of extra money for nothing really, and in some cases they limit your flexibility in mounting locations.
 
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For rings, I REALLY like the ARCs. For integrated mounts, I have a DTA and an Aadland, along with various cheaper options from Leupold, JP, and Aero Precision. I haven't had problems with any of them.

Next time I need one, though, I'll probably go with an ARC... their design on the rings is just so damned easy.
 
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Rob01 said:
I spend good money on good gear but I don't spend more than I need to to think I am getting something I am not. Been using Seekins for close to 14 years on match rifles and never an issue. If money wasn't an issue I would keep using them. They are priced well and work. Exactly what I want.
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I agree. I have Seekins serialized rings on my Gen II Razor and they are first rate.....
 
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Hmmm. For some reason my Impact 737r laughed at the comment about a LaRue mount scratching the rail. I have at least 15 on/off cycles in several different slots while mounting several different optics in my LaRue mounts and fitting them to my action. An oiled rag, and l can’t see a mark. I’m still trying to iron out the right hunting optic to swap in, rather than taking the Hubble (and it’s heft) to the woods.

Aluminum vs hardened steel.

I can say with absolute certainty that they return to zero. Are they Spuhr? Nope. Are they good QD mounts that allow the ready use of several different optics across as many rifles? For sure.

Are we shooting rifles or playing with crystal?

In my mind, and from my experience, while not the best competition mounts, they perform exactly as LaRue says they do. And they allow versatility that no more permanent mount designs can touch.

Now, do they scratch an M4 or similar flat top? Only if you swap them onto a dirty rail. Regardless, aluminum guns parts and receivers are cheap. What’s the resale on a used $50 dollar AR upper?

Back to the topic von-da thread.

OP, Spuhr are the absolute strongest mounts available. ARC rings might be the strongest rings, but I don’t know if anyone has ever done any testing to prove that. The question would be why? Of the thousands of guys competing with Seekins, Badger, Steiner, Burris, Leupold; I don’t know of any that ever missed a target because any of these decent ring sets broke in the field. I’ve been looking for examples of negative reviews, and from what I’ve seen, to a man, every negative review was more than likely the result of someone that didn’t mount them correctly, and then blamed the rings for not holding up. Whatever you decide on, make sure you either have the tools and knowledge to mount the optics correctly, or go ask someone who does to do it for you.

Your mount has one job: secure the sight to the rifle. Any quality set of rings should do this well. I recommend ARC rings. As others have mentioned, they make the mounting process easy, and are very well made. Unless the targets arm themselves and start shooting back, in which case get the Spuhr and pray for victory.
 
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So I realize I may have written one thing while meaning another. I didn’t necessarily mean I had to have the strongest ring out there. I guess I didn’t realize that there were so many good options, so I assumed that there was most likely a scale.

@kasaswhitetail, I’m familiar with LaRue, I own probably a dozen of them and ADM. yes I have tools, and am not a gob fisted goon. I’ve mounted plenty of optics, just not on my own bolt gun with a rail.

Thanks guys for all of the help. I appreciate it.
 
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While one could mount optics to an AR slightly different to a bolt gun, it really still is the same process. And in many situations, the same rings and mounts that you use on an AR also work on a bolt gun and vice versa!
 
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Kanwhitetails said:
Hmmm. For some reason my Impact 737r laughed at the comment about a LaRue mount scratching the rail. I have at least 15 on/off cycles in several different slots while mounting several different optics in my LaRue mounts and fitting them to my action. An oiled rag, and l can’t see a mark. I’m still trying to iron out the right hunting optic to swap in, rather than taking the Hubble (and it’s heft) to the woods.

Aluminum vs hardened steel.

I can say with absolute certainty that they return to zero. Are they Spuhr? Nope. Are they good QD mounts that allow the ready use of several different optics across as many rifles? For sure.

Are we shooting rifles or playing with crystal?

In my mind, and from my experience, while not the best competition mounts, they perform exactly as LaRue says they do. And they allow versatility that no more permanent mount designs can touch.

Now, do they scratch an M4 or similar flat top? Only if you swap them onto a dirty rail. Regardless, aluminum guns parts and receivers are cheap. What’s the resale on a used $50 dollar AR upper?

Back to the topic von-da thread.

OP, Spuhr are the absolute strongest mounts available. ARC rings might be the strongest rings, but I don’t know if anyone has ever done any testing to prove that. The question would be why? Of the thousands of guys competing with Seekins, Badger, Steiner, Burris, Leupold; I don’t know of any that ever missed a target because any of these decent ring sets broke in the field. I’ve been looking for examples of negative reviews, and from what I’ve seen, to a man, every negative review was more than likely the result of someone that didn’t mount them correctly, and then blamed the rings for not holding up. Whatever you decide on, make sure you either have the tools and knowledge to mount the optics correctly, or go ask someone who does to do it for you.

Your mount has one job: secure the sight to the rifle. Any quality set of rings should do this well. I recommend ARC rings. As others have mentioned, they make the mounting process easy, and are very well made. Unless the targets arm themselves and start shooting back, in which case get the Spuhr and pray for victory.
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I agree the Larue mount would not scratch a steel rail, however many are made of aluminum and the laure mounts will scratch them. They also need a special tool to adjust which is a pain in the ass when an ADM is toolless and bobro needs nothing at all. For a precision rifle however, I'd never choose a QD mount, but that's just me.

The design of the Larue mount is not good in my mind. I don't want steel sliding and grind on the thing it interfaces with. ADM and Bobro, etc have figured this out much better. The Larue mounts have been around forever and are just an older design. For the OP, I think Larue would be one of my last choices for his application. That's the point I'm trying to get across.
 
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L2bravo said:
Holy shit I was dying. Somebody put in some serious work to make us laugh. And for that I thank them.

Back to rings. I’m just going to roll my Seekins and look at the ARC rings. I really thank everybody for the input. Josh.
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First time I’ve seen that. That was fucking hilarious!?... “It’s not gonna be dildos”...?
 
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jbell said:
But the statement about not spending more than is needed to do the job, is spot on. Spuhr's offerings are very nice for sure, but IMO they are kind of a solution looking for a problem. You are paying a LOT of extra money for nothing really, and in some cases they limit your flexibility in mounting locations.
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For the most part, I agree with you. Spuhrs are more expensive. I'm older, the kids are gone and I can afford to spend extra. The primary reason that I did is because I have purchased all kinds of products in the past and have started out cheap, but went the "upgrade" path, which always ends up being more expensive in the long run. I paid more for the Spuhrs, installed them and I am done. No realistic "upgrade" path available, not one that has any economic/performance enticement anyway. I have no desire or temptation to "upgrade" from here.

Of all of the features that I really like about the Spuhrs, it's the one piece mount. It pretty much eliminates the possibility of (individual) ring mis-alignment, which could otherwise place stress on the scope tube. When purchasing a $3K+ optic, I don't have any heartburn spending another $100 to $150 bucks on the Spuhr one piece. Also, the Spuhr's machining is top notch. Years ago, I used to lap individual rings. It used to be necessary. I have placed my lapping bar into the Spuhr (sacrilege, I know), but only to check alignment. I knew ahead of time the mount would be straight, but I wanted to see for myself. Absolutely dead nuts on. Have never lapped a Spuhr, would never consider needing to do so.
 
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Threadcutter308 said:
For the most part, I agree with you. Spuhrs are more expensive. I'm older, the kids are gone and I can afford to spend extra. The primary reason that I did is because I have purchased all kinds of products in the past and have started out cheap, but went the "upgrade" path, which always ends up being more expensive in the long run. I paid more for the Spuhrs, installed them and I am done. No realistic "upgrade" path available, not one that has any economic/performance enticement anyway. I have no desire or temptation to "upgrade" from here.

Of all of the features that I really like about the Spuhrs, it's the one piece mount. It pretty much eliminates the possibility of (individual) ring mis-alignment, which could otherwise place stress on the scope tube. When purchasing a $3K+ optic, I don't have any heartburn spending another $100 to $150 bucks on the Spuhr one piece. Also, the Spuhr's machining is top notch. Years ago, I used to lap individual rings. It used to be necessary. I have placed my lapping bar into the Spuhr (sacrilege, I know), but only to check alignment. I knew ahead of time the mount would be straight, but I wanted to see for myself. Absolutely dead nuts on. Have never lapped a Spuhr, would never consider needing to do so.
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Until you go to SHOT SHOW and something new a cool comes out... Happens almost every year with about everything else in this industry. We all like to chase the next best thing, when in reality it makes very little if any difference.
 
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generalzip said:
Until you go to SHOT SHOW and something new a cool comes out... Happens almost every year with about everything else in this industry. We all like to chase the next best thing, when in reality it makes very little if any difference.
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#43
I have never seen rings fail.
I have and use many different brands.
Murphy Precision makes a super high quality titanium ring and rail if you need that. I like them. Spuhr, Badger, NF, ...
 
#44
My first choice for rings are Nightforce Ultralite rings never had an issue, they have been reliable

If money is no object go with a Spuhr mount, one thing I always wondered though was if I could get the right eye relief with the Spuhr mount it seems to reduce the area you have to work with.
 
#47
Another plug for Seekins rings. Never had them leave a single mark on a scope tube.
My AIAT fell onto its left side onto the NF parallax knob on a wood, swinging platform as I was getting off the platform.
Finished the match without issue. Confirmed zero the next time at the range, and it held zero.
I think Spuhr is the tits for a mount, but I stick with Seekins rings.
 
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Brandon05_88 said:
Another plug for Seekins rings. Never had them leave a single mark on a scope tube.
My AIAT fell onto its left side onto the NF parallax knob on a wood, swinging platform as I was getting off the platform.
Finished the match without issue. Confirmed zero the next time at the range, and it held zero.
I think Spuhr is the tits for a mount, but I stick with Seekins rings.
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Caveat on Seekins: torque carefully in stages. Wait 2-3 days and Re-torque. Will then stay tight for years
 
#50
Best or strongest rings are personal preference and how much you are willing to spend. Million dollar rings aren't any better the cheap Chicom rings if you don't install them correctly. I am constantly surprised by the number of shooters I run into at the range with loose or untightend screws or bolts on their rings. Then there are those Magilla the gorilla types that double or even triple the torque on everything. Personally I run a variety of rings. TPS and Seekins (Vortex) for the more tactical stuff, Leupold and Burris for hunting rifles.
 
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