Where is the best place to get a Steiner T6Xi 5-30x56 from? I'd like to support our site vendors and get a good price.
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FYI, if you get a scope from Liberty and decide you don’t like it, even if unmounted Liberty has a no return policy…
If you're not buying from us Scott at Liberty would be the next place to buy from. Known Scott a long time and he's a great and honest guy to work with.@LibertyOptics has been around a long time on this forum and someone not doing their homework to know what they want and need is not on them.
This is not true. We have a "no refund" policy, but not a "no return" policy. The policy is in writing on the website. Refunds cost us a minimum of 6% of the purchase price, plus shipping. At the average ticket of what we sell, that is a lot of money. At the low margin that we sell, the cost is magnified. "No fault" returns are very expensive for any business but particularly for a small potatoes outfit like us. Even Amazon is finally dealing with this reality and has changed their policies to tack on fees in certain situations.FYI, if you get a scope from Liberty and decide you don’t like it, even if unmounted Liberty has a no return policy…
Based on the reply from Scott/Liberty Optics, It appears @Butleroutdoors should edit his comment to reflect the facts, like I did above.FYI, if you get a scope from Liberty and decide you don’t like it, even if unmounted Liberty has a noreturnrefund policy…
Valid point. A subject I have taken up with Burris/Steiner and others. With their new guidelines, nearly everybody qualifies for "ExpertVoice"...the only downside is the wait times can make ours look short.Steiner has good deals on ExpertVoice if you qualify. Would hands down beat any of the vendors already mentioned.
Valid point. A subject I have taken up with Burris/Steiner and others. With their new guidelines, nearly everybody qualifies for "ExpertVoice"...the only downside is the wait times can make ours look short.
You've obviously got a chip on your shoulder. I'm sure your plan of bitching to manufacturers to cut deals out will get consumers flocking to you. I could honestly care less about your business, likewise how you could care less about anything other than making a buck. We will both do business in our best interests, difference is i'm not on the internet crying about it. I have no reason to support or not support your business (well i didn't anyway), but acting like it's not a relevant to let the op know he can get a great price direct is simply childish on your part. Grow up Peter Pan.OP was also stating he would like to support site vendors, which you conveniently undermined with your "Would hands down beat any of the vendors already mentioned" comment, and now you take the passive/aggressive approach of "I'll bow out of whatever this is developing into" which up to this point was an open and honest discussion of what you brought up. If you were really trying to help the OP and not draw attention to yourself, perhaps a PM with said info would have been more appropriate.
Make no mistake, I am actively lobbying our manufacturers to bow out of the expertvoice deal, given the farce it has become. I also have a compelling business interest to do so, as you clearly illustrate in your post above.
Thanks.
And you sir, are obviously an insipid douche nozzle. See how your tone changed when I pushed just a little, it didn't take much. To say all I care about is making a buck shows you do not know me at all.I could honestly care less about your business, likewise how you could care less about anything other than making a buck.
I didn't read any of that. The fact that you are working so hard to cut out better deals for guys tells me everything i need to know about you. Fuck everyone else but you, got it. You offer nothing the manufacturer can not. You are a middle man, at best. It's 2023 and you can't even scrap together a half-assed website to sell a product that we can get cheaper by avoiding you altogether. I tried finding steiner prices on your website. It's a loop of dead links and "click above" when theres nothing to fucking click lol. Don't play the poor simple merchant card. I shop local and small business when it makes sense, because I get better service usually, and it's worth the markup. Why should anyone want to pay your markup if they don't have to? So you out yourself as trying to undermine guys getting generous deals, simply because it doesn't benefit you. So you throw a pity party and go on a rant of how you're going on some big campaign to fuck everyone but you. Again, got it. You are a dime a dozen.And you sir, are obviously an insipid douche nozzle. See how your tone changed when I pushed just a little, it didn't take much. To say all I care about is making a buck shows you do not know me at all.
There is nothing inherently wrong with a consumer-direct selling model. Tesla does it. Practically every other auto maker does not, even if you special order an item, you go through a dealer. The dealer network model has been around for how long?
The problem is when a manufacturer does BOTH. Can you imagine if GM, Ford, Toyota all went consumer direct, selling to customers for thousands less than what the dealers themselves are invoiced? AND still retained all of their dealer network concurrently? What do you think would happen? It doesn't take a rocket scientist. It's stupid and a slap in the face to all those dealers that built their business up to be a good seller and representative of the manufacturer.
Times change, I get it. If the manufacturers want to migrate to a consumer direct model, so be it. But it's not cool to cut my throat when we work everyday to move as much of their product as we can, only to lose out to some sketch third party direct deal with amorphous requirements.
If the manufacturers want to invoice me for 20% below what expertvoice charges to you, then fair game and we will make hay. We would lower our margin and save you even more $$ and everyone would be happy.
In the meantime, I will indeed bitch about it.
And you are a complete moron. I am working hard to level the playing field in the industry, but it is obvious your reading comprehension skills can't grasp any of the big picture, I laid it out in very simple terms. but over your head it goes. So you resort to f-bombs as your trump card because you have no more game. So much for bowing out, poser. Thank you for outing yourself as the piece of trash that you are. Loudmouth keyboard commandos like you are the true dime a dozen. You argue like a woke liberal. Have a Bud Light, seems fitting.
Scott at Liberty is one the nicest people I've metI. I regularly meet up with him personally to get all my purchases as he's local. Every time its a planned stop and grab, however it turns into a long friendly conversation, some about our industry, but most of it is about whats happening in our lives. He's most definitely not about the quick buck. I understand his complaint about expert voice. I believe he's more disgruntled with how easy it's become to get setup with them, as I bet over half of the members aren't legally qualified by their professions or certifications. He recognizes legit emt/mil/Le/fd deserve the break expertvoice gives, and likely believes these public servants deserve it, it's just the ethics/validity are in question.
Expertvoice is just another dealer, of do many companies unfortunately. Their profit margin on such a discounted item, has to be extremely small. They have no overhead, nothings really in stock, it's all manufacturer/warehouse orders as soon as you pay them. I'm sure they welcome anyone who meets or falsifys to get access, as it's just another tiny profit margin in their sales. It all adds up. They're as wholesale as it gets.
It seems like you’re so wound up you’re missing the Steiner menu on Scott’s website. I’ve bought three of them in the past month with about a weeks wait. I don’t think EV is selling them cheaper than Scott. All you have to do is go to the site and choose “pay through invoice” and you’ll get the price in your email. EV won’t last, established dealers will.Also, personally, Steiner is the only manufacturer I get a better deal on EV other than proof. I get roughy the same for Zeiss, Vortex, and NF from dealers like CSTactical and cameraland so I obviously go to them instead. I’m not emotional with my purchasing. I’ve also never had issues getting what I wanted from EV in a timely manner if it’s in stock, which pre/post Covid is almost always. The scope the OP is asking about is in stock currently. Not sure about Liberty having it as his website isn’t showing any Steiner at all so no clue on price there either.
It seems like you’re so wound up you’re missing the Steiner menu on Scott’s website. I’ve bought three of them in the past month with about a weeks wait. I don’t think EV is selling them cheaper than Scott. All you have to do is go to the site and choose “pay through invoice” and you’ll get the price in your email. EV won’t last, established dealers will.
You tell them tough guy…..I’m also not going to just sit there and listen to his sassy mouth either.
(Cracks open an ice cold Otter Water) Happy Friday Night Hiders! Thanks for the kind words @406shootist, @jetmd , @Precision Underground, @gr8fuldoug, @Milf Dots. Let's not worry about Dylan Mulvaney anymore. Typical of the genre, he(?) doesn't seem to know who he is, what his message is, how to delivery it (first short and sweet, then profanity laced... and now he thinks he's Shakespeare with his long baseless tomes, lol) or even why he is doing it (helping the OP? Plugging for EV? Attacking us? Plugging for other vendors now? Bored and has no life? Shit. Just like a woman.) Dylan, you're an idiot. If you just did some cursory research you could see what the truth is, but you are too busy shooting off at the mouth trying to be a "professional button pusher", but it's your buttons that have been pushed
The thing is, I don't have to prove or explain myself to anybody. Twenty years in business and thousands of customers served, so many of them Hide members the last 19 years, from the most experienced glass whore to the newbie with their brand new first long range precision rig, we treat them all the same, following the Golden Rule. And make them the best deal we can, always. We support the Hide!
There was a time years ago when I used to mix it up like this somewhat frequently, but Doug @ CamerlandNY taught me by example it is indeed counter-productive and unprofessional, and it's not something I will continue (even if a good old fashion pissing match is entertaining).
Good luck @Thumper580 in your quest, you asked a legitimate question and sorry for the thread drift, hopefully it was somewhat informative and/or entertaining
Peace out!