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I’m not sure what you guys mean by a camloc. Can someone post a link to one?
Thanks
Steve
SLG - I like that a little better than the one I found.
Would it help to have a second one of these to use to hang a pack from the bottom of the tripod? I'm thinking with something like this you could put tension on the pod without supporting all of the weight, or having the pack hanging completely in the air swinging in the wind.
For that matter, maybe even run the cord to the rifle under the pack? It would keep the tension centered under the tripod. Using your foot as an anchor is going to slightly pull the tension to the rear. Just guessing here, haven't tried any of this yet. First I need a better tripod....
I ordered this one to try, based on the posts above.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005PU5XK2/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
It's going to be an interesting diary. Dont stop. Be some good teaching points come out of it. Waiting for more.
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Tripod plus primos sticks. Very solid, very repeatable. And two carry options usable in a variety of other conditions.
@j-husky I hardly ever have shot free recoiling "in the real world". In the real world, when I'm trying to kill stuff, I'm shooting my .300WM and everything you say tracks. I load into an Atlas, and I'll load into a tripod.Diamond target looks suspiciously like from 11 page fb1 qual package...?
Bottom diamond looked pretty good.
@j-husky I hardly ever have shot free recoiling "in the real world". In the real world, when I'm trying to kill stuff, I'm shooting my .300WM and everything you say tracks. I load into an Atlas, and I'll load into a tripod.
I shoot free recoil with 6x47L (a nothing recoiling cartridge out of a heavy rifle) in practice and in competition all the time and can still spot for myself. Off a RRS tripod you hardly have to touch the rifle or the tripod shooting a low recoil .308 variant. With a Hog Saddle or an Arca Swiss mount there's no reason for any muscle fatigue, because there's no reason to load into anything. It isn't "real world", but it is real.
I don't disagree with you, especially when shooting ELR, and especially with magnum cartridges or other higher recoil cartridges. That is the way I shoot, and would whenever possible. It's not always possible.Somebody, "Accuracy First" ????? did a study proving "consistent loading" of the bipod and a repeatable surface produced the best accuracy. Cant find it to post link. But it matches our experiences.
Somebody, "Accuracy First" ????? did a study proving "consistent loading" of the bipod and a repeatable surface produced the best accuracy. Cant find it to post link. But it matches our experiences.
I don't disagree with you, especially when shooting ELR, and especially with magnum cartridges or other higher recoil cartridges. That is the way I shoot, and would whenever possible. It's not always possible.
You can't always load into the rifle/bipod in a competition. I rarely am able to shoot game off a bipod, and if I am it's usually because of some prior preparation.
Shooting free recoil proficiently, to me, is a critical skill for tactical steel competitions given all the situations where you just can't use a bipod or load into it or the rifle. That's kind of the point; throwing the marksman off so he's NOT doing the same, repeatable operations every shot.
Creating stability through loading is often made difficult or impossible on purpose. Sometimes it's not possible to stabilize the rifle, but it is to stabilize the object off which you are shooting, like sideways barrels.
The most obvious example is a Viking Barricade or cattle gate that is (intentionally) wobbly. Loading into it will not improve stability, and will actually make it worse. Or, what about a stage where the rifle is above your shoulder? I've shot off new steel barrels where bipod cleats would not grab...no loading.
I'm not telling anyone to start shooting free recoil over loading into the rifle when it is an option, because I agree that's the way to get the most precision/accuracy. I'm only saying that being able to shoot free recoil is an important skill to have in your trick bag, and at short ranges, under 500 yards, I really don't hesitate to use it if I think loading up isn't going to work...
Don't use free recoil if you want any chance of witnessing your impact.As far as free recoil, can you do that with a light .308? How about a medium 300WM?
That's the only time I grouped it that way, but shooting sub .7 moa groups arent a problem.
I subtracted .2 bc the POI is 1/2 moa. POI is always a little high shooting from barricades and such. We know changing loading pressure slightly (comparatively) in your bipods changes POI, so it's no surprise shooting off an obstacle will too. We also know chrono'ing prone vs. a bench will change MV slightly. If positional changes can affect MV then it can damn sure change POI.
I am a huge proponent of MMS fundamentals and free recoil is the anthisises of proper fundamentals, but damn if it doesn't work well in timed scenarios when you can't tie your rifle into a belay stand.
Ya, I think so. I'll load up some ammo and shoot groups at 100 this wkd. I think you all are making this out to be something it's not and are deepdiving some pretty impractical techniques
All of this can be avoided if you put the rifle in its NPOA on tgt via the tripod and use FR. F-open guys use FR via their front supports. FR is just another name for mechanical natural point of aim.[/QUOTE said:Are you able to get the reticle exactly on target (say 1 MOA) via tripod? I have a RRS tripod with Anvil-30 and I get the crosshairs on the target but when i tighten the clamp it always seems to move it off a little and I have to “muscle “ it back on to Target.
The main thing I do that I'm not seeing others emphasize is extend my support arm, grab the forearm and apply downward pressure. This seems to produce tighter groups and keeps the scope on target.
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