The Axiom is a great action. I would say most who actually has one or shoots with one would agree. Its stainless. The origin is not. Thats part of the price difference. Lots of group think here on the hide.It's called hype, and it doesn't live up to it. It's your money. How many times have you seen somebody bitching about an Origin or TL3?
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Bighorn Origin or Curtis Axiom?
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Group think is right. "I have one, and never had an issue, so they must all be awesome."
You're about the one lone defender of Curtis actions. Hell I'll even assume there's a half dozen of you with no problems.
Still pales in comparison to the number bitching about feeding from an oversized bolt, parts breaking, shit customer service, etc.
I've yet to see any complaints on an Origin. But, you're right, I don't have one. I've handled one, wouldn't hesitate to buy one based on the similarities with my TL3 and a known quantity of a company with zero behind the scenes drama.
No rumors about AJ leaving Zermatt because of manufacturing issues, design flaws, or shit CS.
As far as group think, I've seen Curtis actions eat shit first hand. And I'm maybe two steps removed through friends aware of more.
I've never even heard of a Bighorn/Zermatt issue, but shit, your Curtis works so I guess we should all buy one!
You're like Philip and IOR except you've chosen to champion Curtis instead. LOL!
I think you went a little far myself with your reaction to what I said. I will clarify.Group think is right. "I have one, and never had an issue, so they must all be awesome."
You're about the one lone defender of Curtis actions. Hell I'll even assume there's a half dozen of you with no problems.
Still pales in comparison to the number bitching about feeding from an oversized bolt, parts breaking, shit customer service, etc.
I've yet to see any complaints on an Origin. But, you're right, I don't have one. I've handled one, wouldn't hesitate to buy one based on the similarities with my TL3 and a known quantity of a company with zero behind the scenes drama.
No rumors about AJ leaving Zermatt because of manufacturing issues, design flaws, or shit CS.
As far as group think, I've seen Curtis actions eat shit first hand. And I'm maybe two steps removed through friends aware of more.
I've never even heard of a Bighorn/Zermatt issue, but shit, your Curtis works so I guess we should all buy one!
You're like Philip and IOR except you've chosen to champion Curtis instead. LOL!
I have had four curtis axioms. No problems with any. I have said it before and will again, the Axioms are not affected by the larger bolt. They will feed if you stand on the rifle while cycling the bolt. Factory mags require no tweaking. Triggers work straight out of the package too. You dont have to send the action in with the trigger like you do with the Bighorns. I have no skin in the game as far as Curtis is concerned and have no reason to defend them. I just dont like the misinformation about the Axiom action itself as they are one of the better actions out there. I also have nothing against the Origin either. I’m sure its good too.
The Vecter and first run of Terminus Zues action are the ones giving people feeding issues without lots of tweaking of the mags. The man that left Curtis to start Terminus made the exact same action he claimed he left Curtis over for not changing. He only bad mouthed the actions after he sold all his rebranded as Zues. Lost all credibility with me.
If Curtis is not responding to customers then shame on them. Said that before as well. I never had to use customer service with anything I have ever bought so I can not comment on that regarding any company gun related or not.
So a man that breaks ties with a company because their business model is “keep selling, fuck repairs” to form a better company, one which stands behind their product and resolves issues... loses credibility with you?
Fair enough. My point is made. You're defending their what? 3rd action? 2nd to market? After the problems with the first that still exist.
Just seems odd you don't hear the same about the competition.
Having said that, the whole "send your trigger in" to Bighorn is something they're doing as a courtesy. We're talking about sear height and trigger timing now.
Bighorn has maybe the tightest manufacturing tolerances in the industry. The trigger timing thing isn't their fault.
The problem is trigger companies trying to make a single trigger work with every action. Saves manufacturing costs when you produce a R700 clone trigger than one for each brand.
It also causes issues on certain actions whose tolerances are a little looser or are produced with different specifications. Specifically the difference in space between the trigger pins and top of the sear.
The easiest solution is what Bix did, different sear heights to adjust for a market full of action options. You don't actually have to produce different triggers, just different sear heights.
Yet they're the only ones doing it. So Bighorn, realizing the issue, offers to shave the sear and time the trigger to their action, for free.
Always modify the cheapest part. I've heard they may actually start producing cocking pieces with different heights to address the issue from the firing pin assembly side of the equation.
Either way, it's not their mess but they're at least trying to help clean it up.
Despite all the back and forth here, I get the feeling that the Axiom and Origin are both great actions. In my case just need to determine how bad I actually want a 3-lug. since I didn’t buy the Axiom during their 19% off sale I think the Origin is better bet right now. I got the idea of purchasing a custom 3 lug action because I bought my wife a 3-lug Sako A7 that I really like and wanted one for myself. I’d like to get either a Curtis Axiom or a Terminus Apolllo once the economy brightens up and I’m not so damn worried about it staying tits up like it is now.
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Don't worry about missing the 19% off sale. You can always find a new Axiom with a similar price from this form.
That’s true, and I see the Apollo’s are being offered full DLC coated now, although the price tag comes in higher than a Origin. Lots of options. I was was planning for this action to give me easy switch barrel opportunity as I’d like like to run this as a coyote gun that I could easily switch barrels into a comp gun. Weight isn’t much of an issue since I don’t typically walk far for my stands. My current comp gun is a Savage 12 LRP in 6.5 CM that hammers but I’m not thrilled about the bolt lift on it.
If it was me, I would go Origin as I've had friends that have had bad experiences with the Axiom and the Vector. I've heard enough to avoid anything Curtis.
Can't say I've really heard anything bad about the Origin.
Can't say I've really heard anything bad about the Origin.
I picked up an axiom in the PX a while back because I didn't want to pay $1300+ for a Lone Peak (my fav action). I tried to sell it after reading some of the reports about Curtis' customer service, but nobody made a decent offer, so I shipped it off to be dlc'd and will use it on a hunting rifle. Time will tell if it was a good decision or not.
Just a quick comment on Zermatt customer service. I ordered an action wrench, a couple bolt heads, and some spare parts Sunday night. On Monday, I got an email from an actual human (Robbie), and as I write this post on Wednesday afternoon the order was delivered. This is pretty good service in normal times, and right now it's downright exceptional.
Check your lug wear on the axiom before you're happy. My axiom had only 2 lugs that made any contact. I'm not a fan of the .450" thread tenon. The roller tip cocking piece is noce, but also copied from a br action. I wasnt a fan of all the rough and sharp edges, outside or inside, the action. Origin is a nicer action, bolt lift and close is smoother, with correct cocking piece or trigger.
Meh, ai is the correct answer for solid 60° action, 4 different loads
I bought an axiom and am not super impressed with it. I bought it because i have shot tikkas my entire life and really like the 60 degree throw. I went with curtis to build my first true PRS style rifle and after hundreds of round thought the Curtis i still think the tikka actions are light years better.
I might be biased but before you look at 1000 dollar actions you could buy a tikka and rebarrel it and put it in a chasis for almost the same price as an action and barrel would cost...
I might be biased but before you look at 1000 dollar actions you could buy a tikka and rebarrel it and put it in a chasis for almost the same price as an action and barrel would cost...
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