Bipod on AXMC

[Canuck1977]

Hi guys,

just wondering what bipod you are using on your AXMC?

I have an Atlas on mine and looking to get something beefier.
Will be shooting the 37xc soon with mine.

cheers to you all and Happy New Year

 

[Eric32]

Try the elite iron bipod

 

[Steel head]

Try the elite iron bipod

This.

 

[Eric32]

Beefy gal

 

[Steel head]

Beefy gal

I like chicks with a bit extra.
lol.


Besides the feet it’s surprisingly compact when folded.
Mine is the aluminum model.
Fir 37XC you might want the steel version.

Another option is the new bipod Atlas is releasing soon, there’s even a special snipers hide presale in the equipment section.
It’s geared more to the bigger rifles they say.

 

[mercracing]

My Atlas has worked fine for me, but a 5H might work well for you.

 

[MCHOG]

My Atlas has worked fine for me, but a 5H might work well for you.

Hi guys,

just wondering what bipod you are using on your AXMC?

I have an Atlas on mine and looking to get something beefier.
Will be shooting the 37xc soon with mine.

cheers to you all and Happy New Year

Atlas CAL

 

[Bravo6niner]

Elite iron non-panning.

 

[TxWelder35]

I believe atlas is dropping a new, beefier bipod very soon. You can blind order it right now

 

[nexusfire]

Harris

 

[Steel head]

Harris

 

[BullzeyeNJ]

LRA works great. Too bad they are no longer made.

 

[nexusfire]

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Please, I would like to hear your reason for this silly reply.

 

[Eric32]

$80 starter bipod, that is known to be out of square, doesn't really help you. You want your gear to carry you, not the other way around. When a guy spends $7,000 on a rifle they tend to purchase more quality of a bipod. You can shoot with a harris and be fine but you tend work alot harder to achieve the proper recoil management and group sizes.

 

[nexusfire]

$80 starter bipod, that is known to be out of square, doesn't really help you. You want your gear to carry you, not the other way around. When a guy spends $7,000 on a rifle they tend to purchase more quality of a bipod. You can shoot with a harris and be fine but you tend work alot harder to achieve the proper recoil management and group sizes.

Um no not sure where on the interwebs you read this. Lowlight has a great video explaining recoil management and the type of bipod has nothing to do with it.

 

[phlegethon]

Um no not sure where on the interwebs you read this. Lowlight has a great video explaining recoil management and the type of bipod has nothing to do with it.

Lowlight also has a bunch of great posts talking about the limitations of the Harris and how the world has moved past it, and noting that students will see group sizes cut in half by moving to a modern bipod.

 

[nexusfire]

And here is my $7000 rifle with a "starter" bipod. I can afford any bipod I want and I choose Harris because they just work.

 

[leftyk82]

Um no not sure where on the interwebs you read this. Lowlight has a great video explaining recoil management and the type of bipod has nothing to do with it.

Reads like it was posted on new year’s eve 1989.

 

[phlegethon]

And here is my $7000 rifle with a "starter" bipod. I can afford any bipod I want and I choose Harris because they just work. View attachment 7213660

Have you tried a CAL or TBAC?

 

[Eric32]

Agian you WORK ALOT MORE when your bipod is out of square.

 

[kthomas]

And here is my $7000 rifle with a "starter" bipod. I can afford any bipod I want and I choose Harris because they just work. View attachment 7213660

Of course they work. Other bipods just work better.

I can put snow tires on a Lamborghini, but it's not going to be optimal for it's performance. But they work...

 

[Lowlight]

Um no not sure where on the interwebs you read this. Lowlight has a great video explaining recoil management and the type of bipod has nothing to do with it.

Don't use my name incorrectly

A bipod matters absolutely on recoil management and a Harris is the hardest to do correctly

A better bipod makes recoil management easier and recoil management tells us were the bullet will go when zeroing,

then you have the physics of stability, a wider stance bipod pushed out forward more will be more accurate than a bipod that is not as wide and mounted well under the barrel

Suspending the barrel inside the triangle is more accurate than balancing it over the top at the Apex

 

[W54/XM-388]

If you want something cheap, small, light, and very fast to deploy, the Harris bipod is actually fairly decent, especially if you get the BRM-S model and the aftermarket parts to adjust the tension.

However if you can spare the weight, size, cost and can spend more than a second deploying the bipod, the Elite Iron ones are an excellent choice.

 

[nexusfire]

So

Don't use my name incorrectly

A bipod matters absolutely on recoil management and a Harris is the hardest to do correctly

A better bipod makes recoil management easier and recoil management tells us were the bullet will go when zeroing,

then you have the physics of stability, a wider stance bipod pushed out forward more will be more accurate than a bipod that is not as wide and mounted well under the barrel

Suspending the barrel inside the triangle is more accurate than balancing it over the top at the Apex

So a bipod will suddenly make you manage recoil correctly? No. My point is that a Harris works in a wide variety of applications from belly shooting, to PRS, to hunting. No reason not to use one.

 

[Lowlight]

Who the fucks cares about "deploying a bipod" fast...

I can put an ATLAS at a 45 and it's pre-deployed,

This is 3GUN BS talking point where they tie a string between the legs and yank it down quick, distance gives you time and opportunity

And in PRS even those guys have moved on from a Harris because the other bipods like the Cyke Pod work much better

PRS Shooters are more worried about Height, Angle and Reach more so than Speed

 

[Lowlight]

So


So a bipod will suddenly make you manage recoil correctly? No. My point is that a Harris works in a wide variety of applications from belly shooting, to PRS, to hunting. No reason not to use one.

What suddenly

I have been talking about it for OVER A YEAR if not two

Fuck yes a bipod matters, and an out of square Harris matters even more which will change the recoil pulse. Why do 100s of people complain with a Harris it "still jumps, hops, moves, to the X" over and over, because they are hard to load correctly and most are out of square

Bipods are a viable part of the accuracy equation - look at F Class and Benchrest show me a Big Pond winner with a Harris, not some one off in a pond with 25 shooters, but one at a national level event

 

[nexusfire]

What suddenly

I have been talking about it for OVER A YEAR if not two

Fuck yes a bipod matters, and an out of square Harris matters even more which will change the recoil pulse. Why do 100s of people complain with a Harris it "still jumps, hops, moves, to the X" over and over, because they are hard to load correctly and most are out of square

Bipods are a viable part of the accuracy equation - look at F Class and Benchrest show me a Big Pond winner with a Harris, not some one off in a pond with 25 shooters, but one at a national level event

So you miss because of bipods?

 

[Lowlight]

You can in longer strings of fire because the bipod moves you out of place

You increase group size, we see it all the time, guys doing everything right with a Harris shooting 1 MOA, we switch them to a different bipod and their groups shrink usually in 1/2 the first time

What is reducing your groups size worth

A Harris out of spec is not gonna be "Faster" because it will bounce you off target requiring your readjust more often

As someone noted above, you can put Snow Tires on a Ferrari and get from Point A to Point B, but does make sense to use the wrong tires... the Bipod is your car's Tires, so why not match the tire to the use?

Why work harder just because it's cheaper ?

 

[nexusfire]

You can in longer strings of fire because the bipod moves you out of place

You increase group size, we see it all the time, guys doing everything right with a Harris shooting 1 MOA, we switch them to a different bipod and their groups shrink usually in 1/2 the first time

What is reducing your groups size worth

A Harris out of spec is not gonna be "Faster" because it will bounce you off target requiring your readjust more often

As someone noted above, you can put Snow Tires on a Ferrari and get from Point A to Point B, but does make sense to use the wrong tires... the Bipod is your car's Tires, so why not match the tire to the use?

Why work harder just because it's cheaper ?

It's really not after you put an arca or pic rail adapter and spiked feet on one. I like the versatility and simplicity of them. I found the atlas a pain in the ass to adjust even when you aren't in a time sensitive situation. I feel that the benefits out weigh the negatives and that they are a good choice.

 

[Lowlight]

Sounds like a personal problem like someone isn't training and just being lazy I have no issue deploying an Atlas. I can put claws, extensions, too.

Try shooting an F Class match with Harris, note the score, and then go back and shoot it again just changing the bipod, I bet the score improves, I would almost guarantee it but them someone will do it and tank the score on purpose.

Spikes and extensions are great, but you can put them other bipods too, it's about the design as well, not just materials. So a machined bipod vs a stamped metal one made on the same machines from the 70s is better than a CNC Built one.

Just because some thing is good enough, doesn't mean it excels or even should be used, Again this goes to exact what I said earlier in the week. You get a guy who invests heavily in the gun and system then skimps on the bipod. They over gun the hell out of it, putting a $7000 rifle on top an $80 bipod and call it good enough. Yet they are missing the fact the entire process starts and stops with the bipod.

In the USMC we didn't have them and used a ruck, the ruck was quickly replaced by a bipod, that bipod, the Harris has since been replaced. Do you think the Atlas CAL and TBAC came out of a vacuum. No, the Army finally looked at the bipod and decided they need to change it. they opened up the stance, they changed the pivot point in the center and brought the CG closer to the barrel. There is reason these bipods were created.

If a Harris was good enough, why is AB working with Elite Iron on the military's ELR Rifle ... if an $80 Harris is good enough, why get a $600 one to replace it, or like the CAL or TBAC, a $400 one.

I can make a Yugo work driving back and forth to the grocery store, but I wouldn't want to take a cross country trip in one. Can you, sure, why would I given the choices out there today.

 

[Back Spin]

I took the “Pepsi” challenge the other day and shot a few groups with a couple of .223 uppers back to back between a Harris and an Atlas BT10. All groups were 5-8 rounds a piece. I owned the Harris and borrowed the Atlas from work. Prior to the I was thoroughly in the “Harris is just as good” camp.

Upper 1 was a heavy barreled early manufactured Larue Stealth, my groups with the Harris was 1” and groups with the Atlas was about .75” without. Ammo was 77 SMK Magtech . So about a 25% reduction.

Upper 2 was a light weight profile Lothar Walther 5.56 chambered gun. Ammo was 75 grain Black Hills blue box. Groups with Harris was 1.69 + 2.30” , Atlas was 1.13” and 1.50”. So over a 30% improvement average between the groups.

Now the Atlas was not magic. When I got lax I did throw a flyer in a couple of the groups that would make it as big as the Harris groups. A follow up shot both time confirmed that it was indeed a flyer. Flyers aside, it was very apparent the Atlas shot groupings were tighter / more consistent to center overall compared to the Harris.

Ultimately I am kicking myself for not buying an Atlas sooner. I definitely would have enjoyed a number range sessions a lot more with the improved accuracy.

 

[Pappasniper]

I upgraded to some KAC bipods, keep the Atlas. I like the KAC ones but not an upgrade.

PB

 

[Heretoimproveforhunting]

it could just be that its new years, and im drinking, but arent all triangles out of square ?

 

[Lowlight]

I took the “Pepsi” challenge the other day and shot a few groups with a couple of .223 uppers back to back between a Harris and an Atlas BT10. All groups were 5-8 rounds a piece. I owned the Harris and borrowed the Atlas from work. Prior to the I was thoroughly in the “Harris is just as good” camp.

Upper 1 was a heavy barreled early manufactured Larue Stealth, my groups with the Harris was 1” and groups with the Atlas was about .75” without. Ammo was 77 SMK Magtech . So about a 25% reduction.

Upper 2 was a light weight profile Lothar Walther 5.56 chambered gun. Ammo was 75 grain Black Hills blue box. Groups with Harris was 1.69 + 2.30” , Atlas was 1.13” and 1.50”. So over a 30% improvement average between the groups.

Now the Atlas was not magic. When I got lax I did throw a flyer in a couple of the groups that would make it as big as the Harris groups. A follow up shot both time confirmed that it was indeed a flyer. Flyers aside, it was very apparent the Atlas shot groupings were tighter / more consistent to center overall compared to the Harris.

Ultimately I am kicking myself for not buying an Atlas sooner. I definitely would have enjoyed a number range sessions a lot more with the improved accuracy.

This,

Thanks for doing it and posting,

Now also, consider this,

the Atlas really has the same stance as the Harris, the Atlas is just better machined and has an improved lock up to the bottom of the rifle. The new TBAC and CAL actually change that geometry and widen the stance while maintaining the size. With the CAL too, removing the Panning feature will fix the biggest complaint of the Atlas. Consider the CAL changes two factors, the stance, and the mechanism directly under the rifle. The CAL will mount closer...

Do the same Pepsi challenge between and Atlas and CAL and it will move the needle again.

 

[Lowlight]

it could just be that its new years, and im drinking, but arent all triangles out of square ?

Nope,

the triangle we are working with should be 3 equal sides, the Harris is not equal. Measure the distance right of center and then left of center, you will find they are not the same.

 

[LawnMM]

I was going to jump in but, hell, Frank's already said it all.

It's a junk bipod, usually the first one people buy till they know better.

If you want to use it, please do! I like when the competition hamstrings themselves with junk gear!

 

[Back Spin]

Do the same Pepsi challenge between and Atlas and CAL and it will move the needle again.

Considering I just bought the CAL, I just might ?

 

[MCHOG]

Problem solved

 

[bfk4lyfe]

What size/options would I need for an elite iron on an ax using the pic rail?

 

[Steel head]

What size/options would I need for an elite iron on an ax using the pic rail?

They have instructions on their site.

 

[Deleted member 10043]

Christ, why is this so hard to understand. Somebody figured out how to get a bipod to function like a rifle cradled in a Bull Bag. Of course it is more accurate. The rifle is much more steady on its feet.

 

[bfk4lyfe]

They have instructions on their site.

i don’t have the rifle yet so can’t take measurements.

 

[Steel head]

i don’t have the rifle yet so can’t take measurements.

You might be able to find someone here with an AX to get you those measurements.

it’s a fantastic bipod.

 

[bfk4lyfe]

You might be able to find someone here with an AX to get you those measurements.

it’s a fantastic bipod.

I hope so, hence the post ?

 

[Tesla]

What size/options would I need for an elite iron on an ax using the pic rail?

You need the Standard Offset Extended Pic Rail Mount (2.100 or less) that's the one I use on my AX