Interesting. It’s like a sig cross had an affair with a slutty blaser straight pull rifle.
Wonder how it will shoot.
I love innovation but I think their butt stock needed to be more like the Cross or Fix. Or let you use ar15 butt stocks easily.
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Black collar arms straight pull bolt gun?
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Interesting. It’s like a sig cross had an affair with a slutty blaser straight pull rifle.
Wonder how it will shoot.
I love innovation but I think their butt stock needed to be more like the Cross or Fix. Or let you use ar15 butt stocks easily.
If it doesn’t shoot half moa or better I see no point to a straight pull (or any bolt gun for that matter) when you can buy an AR these days that shoots faster, has cheap available parts, comes in many calibers, and shoots 3/4-1” fairly easily
There's a slight possibility that some people don't like the "ka-chunk, boing" that an AR makes.
Maybe that's just me.
I know, there are more silent springs available.
Maybe that's just me.
I know, there are more silent springs available.
Or more effective suppression.
There’s a myriad of reasons for a bolt action in many situations just as there is for gassers in others.
Adjustable gas block. Turn off. Straight pull rifle. You’re welcome 
Why AR triggers? That seems like adding so much unnecessary lock time.
Frankr, those were my thoughts exactly!
I have both, and put a deposit down on the MBA- hopefully it will be the best of both worlds...
I have both, and put a deposit down on the MBA- hopefully it will be the best of both worlds...
no bolt gun has a manipulation even remotely as fast as an AR for a follow up shot. If a fast follow up shot is needed (running animal etc) you’d be much better off with an auto loader to begin with. The niche of a straight pull is as folks stated. Using subs with no action noise to be as quiet as possible. However a 16” barrel just adds weight and length to this use case.
From what I’ve seen straight pulls are popular in Europe where they can’t get ARs for hunting boat and the like. It’s as good as they can get. Luckily in the US we can get pretty much anything.
From what I’ve seen straight pulls are popular in Europe where they can’t get ARs for hunting boat and the like. It’s as good as they can get. Luckily in the US we can get pretty much anything.
It's the easy button instead of trying to engineer something for the purpose
Or hold the sniper button on the side of the upperAdjustable gas block. Turn off. Straight pull rifle. You’re welcome
I'll have to look for it. All the youtube videos seemed to show a rifle that is relatively smooth and easy to cycle.
But it IS a Savage after all.
Savage Impulse Elite Precision
So according to ShotShow or Shot Show 2020 , Savage is making their straight-pull Impulse action with a 30" barrel, AICS magazine in an MDT ACC chassis. The available calibers will be 6mm Creedmoor, 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5 PRC 308, 300 Win Mag, 300 PRC, and...338 Lapua. I have their Impulse...
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Savage Impulse Elite Precision
So according to ShotShow or Shot Show 2020 , Savage is making their straight-pull Impulse action with a 30" barrel, AICS magazine in an MDT ACC chassis. The available calibers will be 6mm Creedmoor, 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5 PRC 308, 300 Win Mag, 300 PRC, and...338 Lapua. I have their Impulse...
If you go to the 3:20 mark it looks like all the jerkiness goes away
Another forum member bought an Impulse predator and posted a report here: https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/savage-impulse.7065357/#post-9432754
He made a comment that might explain what I saw in the video you linked, where the shooter hasd trouble at first and then ran the bolt like a champ
That reminds me of the old saying, you can't miss 'em fast enough...
BTW, bolt guns have a lot less moving parts and honestly the thought of needing spare parts is pretty much nil.
You just have to pull it straight back. The handle pivots a few degrees in a fore and aft arc to unlock the balls at the front of the bolt, then the whole bolt and handle keep on moving backwards.
I think that's the problem. People seem to want to do everything except yank it straight back.
AR-10 magazines? Whose pattern? SR-25? Armalite?
Dumb. Should have stuck to AICS magazines. Since they designed the bolt from the ground up, that should have been a no brainer.
Dumb. Should have stuck to AICS magazines. Since they designed the bolt from the ground up, that should have been a no brainer.
Try running a suppressed AR under 0 degrees F. I dont care how much or little of what lube you use. It ain't long before you have a mess.
It’ll probably be a decent option in non free states or countries (UK, Canada, etc). Not impressed about it designed around an AR trigger and price is a on the steep side.
I’m not necessarily against SR25 mags as this is obviously has a different purpose than a PRS/LR setup. If I was doing a 16” 6.5 creed I’d go with 123/130s anyways which is perfectly fine with a 2.80 coal magazine. Same with 7mm-08 with 150 ELD-X and 308 with 155 hybrids.
I’m not necessarily against SR25 mags as this is obviously has a different purpose than a PRS/LR setup. If I was doing a 16” 6.5 creed I’d go with 123/130s anyways which is perfectly fine with a 2.80 coal magazine. Same with 7mm-08 with 150 ELD-X and 308 with 155 hybrids.
Yeah, I guess, but I probably would have gravitated to a Rem700 trigger instead.
Again, it's the easy button from a design pov. But not for the users.
Ok, well... the point is that they didn't make this rifle just for you, So while you dont see a point, others do.
This rifle has my attention. I'm not a long range precision guy though. I've taken several scout rifle classes and can run a bolt gun pretty well in a wide variety of situations. Light, handy and fast are priorities. I despise AICS mags for a variety of reasons but none of the problems I have with them translate into issues on long range precision rifles so I don't expect others to see that the way I do.
Would a semi-auto make sense instead? Well... maybe, but why? Heavier, more complex and prone to environmental concerns more than a bolt gun.
There is a whole genre of practical/scout rifles out there and the Sig Cross looked like a great option for this class of gun. I ran one at a Randy Cain class and sold it immediately afterward. It was okay in the practical rifle role, but had too many weird drawbacks for me. This gun though, might just do it.
Would a semi-auto make sense instead? Well... maybe, but why? Heavier, more complex and prone to environmental concerns more than a bolt gun.
There is a whole genre of practical/scout rifles out there and the Sig Cross looked like a great option for this class of gun. I ran one at a Randy Cain class and sold it immediately afterward. It was okay in the practical rifle role, but had too many weird drawbacks for me. This gun though, might just do it.
I’ve watched this one as well since the beginning years ago when it was announced.
Haven’t seen one review video or review posting. Also “spring assist” turned me off, similar to the bushmaster “bolt” action rifle.
I have shot the POF “bolt action” ar10 and while it shot very well, it was a pain to cycle compared to something like a tikka due to the location of the charging handle when shooting prone.
England has a lot of manually operated AR guns and they seem to work well.
Browning had one for a while and Merkel had a similar straight pull.
The coolest one I want to see is the Lynx (fortner) action rifle.
I am hoping this newest rifle (MBA) will help spur more manufactures to look at the straight pull system.
Where I have hunted, we have had to load and unload rifles through out the hunt (crossing fences, getting in and out of vehicles, etc…). Unloading a bolt gun is just more convenient imho. Not to mention cycling one into the chamber can be done quietly more easily with a bolt gun.
Don’t get me wrong. I love hunting with my AR’s but bolt guns have their place and I love hunting with them as well.
How good is the 22lr barrel and how does the action cycle with the 22lr set up?
We have one gun store locally that only deals with blaser (high end African hunts etc…). I’ve handled a few models but never shot one. Having all the barrels and what not sounds cool but how effective is it and how does it cycle.
Also doesn’t the newest model have the trigger group and magazine together?
I don't have the 22LR kit yet, that may be a future purchase.
The one I have which is setup for .30-06 cycles very smoothly, quickly & reliably.
Much easier and quicker to cycle than a standard bolt action, once you get used to it.
The action is specifically designed to be shot while standing / kneeling as it's from the ground up a hunting rifle.
If you are going to use this only for prone shooting, for target shooting at a range the motion required may not be suited to your prone position.
The trigger group and magazine are a single block unit that can be removed.
The system is designed for being extremely safe during hunting, so pulling out the magazine also pulls out the trigger and decocks the rifle.
Swapping out the barrels is pretty quick, you just need a single hex driver.
You might see if the store would let you try one of their demos using some snap caps.
The prices can go up into the insane world for the top of the line stuff, but you can get in reasonably cheap with the standard Professional stock and standard barrel / trigger group.
How does it lock up, I wonder? I was expecting to see some retractable ball bearings, a collet, or something....
Well, that is partly correct.
If you compete at top level in the old Olympic event "Running Deer Doubles", two shots on each run, you loose too many points due to locktime with a hammer rifle compared to striker fired bolt rifle due to size of the x-ring.
Nope. AICS is the defacto standard.
Not sure what you mean by that but I assume you're talking about SR25 mags. All my rifles use AICS mags, so that's what I want in the next one I buy.
Sure and Jerry Miculek is a good example of how a revolver shoots faster than a full auto AK. You missed the point my friend
I think your point was that if you suck, your only recourse is to pull the trigger faster
@Mike Casselton was right
I shoot at a lot of running hogs with a thermal. An AR is the default answer but just as much damage can be done with a larger caliber in a bolt action and 10 round mags. A faster bolt throw that doesn’t upset sight picture as much would be a distinct advantage.
