Blackwater II - ??

[goober]

Re: Blackwater II - ??

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Roger C. Carpenter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ch'e,

<span style="color: #FF0000">We hear a lot of negativity from folks living in other countries but they seldom comment on conditions at home</span>.

<span style="color: #333333">Conditions in New Zealand are pretty damned good if I say so myself but I still want my Govt to be accountable to the people -they represent us , they are not a private company and should never treat their rolls as such.</span>


<span style="color: #FF0000">The type of world you're talking about will never work in the real life... only in the heads of people like the clown responsible for Wikileaks (however you spell it). They are always interested in whistle blowing on America but I haven't heard a peep about other countries, or their own.</span>

<span style="color: #333333">So true ,and you need to read more . Also it is just an insight to how corrupt and greedy those that represent us are and also those in big business that are in those representative pockets .Wikileaks , gotta say I don't mind that he did this and he did it to many country's dip cables including ours, not just the USA !</span>

America became what it is because of the spirit that lives here. <span style="color: #FF0000">Sure, we're not perfect here to be sure</span>, but when the shit hits the fan somewhere in the world, who's there to help. When we have a problem here, no one cares. Where is the transparency in you own country?

<span style="color: #333333">I think you should divide the good citizen from the State when you say this.You know the movie movie Team America wasn't a documentary don't you .Wars are waged for money and a future favor not for good - if the US is there often its for a very good reason -don't tell me I am American bashing either please !</span>

People who live in a fantacy world where we will all <span style="color: #FF0000">"just get along" are only fooling themselves.</span> That place doesn't exist. As long as there are conflicts over issues such we see today, there will never be a peaceful world.

<span style="color: #333333">Yep , I agree with you on that for sure </span>

T<span style="color: #FF0000">herefore, not broadcasting to the world our diplomatic and military plans for all to either agree with or not will never work. Our enemies </span>think that the kind of transparency you're talking about is just dandy. You tell them that you'll be out of an area of operation on a certain date, they'll just lay back and wait.

<span style="color: #333333">You would first have to ask "why" you have these enemies ?
Plan's for military op's when underway should never be released -what plans have been concerning whikileaks that fall into this category that are not already in the public arena? </span>




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Come join us in the real world sir</span>.

<span style="color: #333333">I am there now but hope for our real world to keep evolving</span>




<span style="color: #FF0000">Take care of your own country before you try to tell us how it's done</span>.

Indiansinger
</div></div><span style="color: #FF0000">When we have a problem here, no one cares</span>

<span style="color: #333333">Look on this forum you say keep our noses out of your trough but you moan that no one cares about you when you have problems -which is it to be ?

I think one has to be truthful about cause and effect if not, man confusion reins</span>

 

[Indiansinger]

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ch'e

There is nothing more important to the average American than our liberty, and the well-being of our friends (foreign and domestic). The people in your part of the world are stout-hearted and honorable. We've stood side by side in many fights, and I can't remember ever hearing anything but good comments about you. I was in Vietnam when they opened Austrailia for R&R and I would have gone there in a heartbeat, but I didn't go on R&R because I was fearful that I wouldn't have gone back to the fight.
I share some of your concerns about our leaders, as do many others. But in order to do anything about it, we will have to enlighten some who have resigned to the idea that there's nothing they can do. Our last national election illustrated the error of that kind of thinking. Changing the mindset of our leaders will take time unless the people choose to go the armed route to change. While there are plenty that would go that way, we've been there before and are not thrilled to go back unless it's absolutely necessary.
Ultimately, we Americans are probably aware of the issues others from around the world speak of but nothing can be changed over night. These things take time, and we will get to it, thanks for your concern. Understand that the rest of the world is going to hell in a handbasket as well, you can help other countries solve their problems too.

Have a great new year my friend.


Indiansinger

 

[goober]

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And a great New Year to you Roger .

Regards

 

[MKSMN]

Re: Blackwater II - ??

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: doorkicker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ch'e</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jong , I think doorkicker was suggesting buying the enemy...</div></div> Pretty sure Jong knows exactly what I mean...we're from the same 'neighborhood', and I would absolutely not suggest "buying the enemy"...everyone knows that your enemy can't be bought, only rented...till the next highest bidder comes along.

It's about winning the hearts and minds and changing attitudes without creating more insurgents on a daily basis. While I do agree with the thought that you could probably make a difference by killing several generations in a specific location at a time...that'll just create jihadis everywhere else, and....that isn't going to make you popular amongst the rest of the world

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Hey, whatever works. If putting in infrastructure and lending a hand to the locals works, do it. If it doesn't, and they're <span style="font-style: italic">still</span> supporting/hosting/collaborating with the terrorists, enough is enough at some point. You can't live with a neighbor who has a specific end goal in mind and is waiting to stab you in the back.

In short, I support using the current COIN strategy IF it is working. So far, I'm getting mixed reports.

If your terrorists are just running across a porous border into a "friendly" host state, clearly there's an issue not being sufficiently addressed. That's a different problem.

On that note, why are we letting Pakistan host terrorists? Sounds like somebody in the diplomatic side of things needs to go find a pair and send an ultimatum: let us clean your house for you, or consider yourself to have joined the rats.

 

[NOMAD]

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TG

 

[MKSMN]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bcw1284</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
And for every "one" you do this to, you will breed "three" more.

<span style="color: #FF0000">If I kill them all, how will this breeding take place? Oh, don't tell me!! Zombie necrophilia!!

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Some of you internet commandos need to stop huffing that canned air duster and recognize real experience when you see it. <span style="color: #FF0000">Dude, the stuff from Wal-Mart is awesome. Just don't crash in the bus stop or the mean transit police will take you to jail.

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I know what he's talking about because i'm on the other side of this equation (gov) <span style="color: #FF0000">Hey!! Don't tell people that, your credibility rating among gun folks automatically drops! You gotta specify either law enforcement or some non-pork-gorging secret-squirrel agency of tacticoolness </span></div></div>

Okay, okay, funnies over. I'll defer to Doorkicker and Jong for expert recommendations for defusing the locals. Like I've said before, whatever works, use it. If it isn't working, time to reconsider the process.

 

[christian77]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MKSMN762</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If putting in infrastructure and lending a hand to the locals works, do it. If it doesn't, and they're <span style="font-style: italic">still</span> supporting/hosting/collaborating with the terrorists, enough is enough at some point. You can't live with a neighbor who has a specific end goal in mind and is waiting to stab you in the back. <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000">Are we talking globally or theatre specific, because Iraq and Afghanistan are two dramatically different animals per the locals and infrastructure. With that being said , I absolutely agree...at some point, enough is enough. I'm of the belief that Afghanistan represents ALL THAT IS CORRUPTION...almost the definition of.</span></span>

In short, I support using the current COIN strategy IF it is working. So far, I'm getting mixed reports.<span style="font-weight: bold"> <span style="color: #FF0000">It's a difficult thing to gauge IMO...it's proven to be extremely successful in some areas whist not in others...but then the question is why isn't it working everywhere...I think it boils down to influence & presence. My concern is that we continue to be the "world police", our war-fighters don't wear badges (in the LE sense anyways)...their job is to close with and destroy the enemy...now that we have become professional occupiers we're just wearing ourselves & our capabilities out. If we aren't going to be "allowed" to do the job...get us the fuck out.</span></span>

If your terrorists are just running across a porous border into a "friendly" host state, clearly there's an issue not being sufficiently addressed. That's a different problem.
<span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-weight: bold">I think one of our biggest problems is having the gumption to call Pakistan what it is...yet another terrorist state. Heaven forbid we offend. Their is nothing Global about the war when it comes to a screeching halt at the PK border. PK does nothing more than harbor the Taliban. I've always unfortunately seen Afghanistan as a failure without rolling PK into Enduring Freedom...it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the problem of hop-skotching across the Hindu Kush.</span></span>

On that note, why are we letting Pakistan host terrorists? <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000">...because the "Global" War on Terrorism is a farce...it isn't "Global" at all and if it was, we would've had our proverbial boot in Pakistan's ass a long time ago.</span></span>

Sounds like somebody in the diplomatic side of things needs to go find a pair and send an ultimatum: let us clean your house for you, or consider yourself to have joined the rats. <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000">"diplomatic side" & "a pair" are typically never in the same sentence.

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...whatever works, use it. If it isn't working, time to reconsider the process. <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000">Concur

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[Graham]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Priest</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Careful dude. You've got other allies on this board other than the Kiwis and we show up every time you blokes start a blue.... before you guys showed up.</div></div>Well spoken. The Aussies have a well-respected tradition of firsts that they strive to keep.