blackwater sniper

[pmclaine]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Steve Jobs
Bill Gates
Mark Zuckerburg
Larry Ellison
Michael Dell
John D Rockefeller
Howard Hughes
Ted Turner
Ralph Lauren

Just to name a few. What do all these people have in common?

They're all Billionaire College Drop-Outs! A degree is useless without drive, determination, and innovation. I'm not saying that going to College and getting a degree is a bad idea, but school does not guarantee a ">" life.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's not just the job though...it's the person behind it. Their work ethic and capacity for risk-taking.

Not everyone has the balls to take out loans on everything they own to start a new business for example. That sort of thing takes heart. </div></div>

+1 Billion
</div></div>

Yeah but I jut learned they didnt do that on their own.

 

[CleanMoostang]

Re: blackwater sniper

OPRAH...




i dunno...

 

[BCP]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pmclaine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Yeah but I jut learned they didnt do that on their own. </div></div>

Yeah if it wasn't for Obama's son robbing their house a few times they never would've taken those risk.

 

[Graham]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pmclaine</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Steve Jobs
Bill Gates
Mark Zuckerburg
Larry Ellison
Michael Dell
John D Rockefeller
Howard Hughes
Ted Turner
Ralph Lauren
</div></div>Yeah but I jut learned they didnt do that on their own. </div></div>LOL!

In the working world it's hard to avoid being somebody's Bitch; but there's wisdom in not marching yourself down to the mall recruiter with nothing more to offer than the desire to become everybody's Bitch.

 

[-Nick-]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pmclaine</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Steve Jobs
Bill Gates
Mark Zuckerburg
Larry Ellison
Michael Dell
John D Rockefeller
Howard Hughes
Ted Turner
Ralph Lauren

Just to name a few. What do all these people have in common?

They're all Billionaire College Drop-Outs! A degree is useless without drive, determination, and innovation. I'm not saying that going to College and getting a degree is a bad idea, but school does not guarantee a ">" life.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's not just the job though...it's the person behind it. Their work ethic and capacity for risk-taking.

Not everyone has the balls to take out loans on everything they own to start a new business for example. That sort of thing takes heart. </div></div>

+1 Billion
</div></div>

Yeah but I jut learned they didnt do that on their own. </div></div>

Most businesses don't. And I simply pulled the most accessible list. I'm sure there are plenty of self-made millionaires out there with no college degrees.

 

[lawofsavage]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Most businesses don't. And I simply pulled the most accessible list. I'm sure there are plenty of self-made millionaires out there with no college degrees. </div></div>

Those guys were/are all billionaires.... Big difference in millionaire and billionaire.
30% of Americans are millionaires if you use the net asset method (NA-NL) but that is not what most people consider a millionaire to be.

 

[pmclaine]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lawofsavage</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Most businesses don't. And I simply pulled the most accessible list. I'm sure there are plenty of self-made millionaires out there with no college degrees. </div></div>

Those guys were/are all billionaires.... Big difference in millionaire and billionaire.
30% of Americans are millionaires if you use the net asset method (NA-NL) but that is not what most people consider a millionaire to be. </div></div>

..and the ones that do mean to make them paupers.

 

[-Nick-]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lawofsavage</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Most businesses don't. And I simply pulled the most accessible list. I'm sure there are plenty of self-made millionaires out there with no college degrees. </div></div>

Those guys were/are all billionaires.... Big difference in millionaire and billionaire.
30% of Americans are millionaires if you use the net asset method (NA-NL) but that is not what most people consider a millionaire to be. </div></div>

I know the difference between a Billionaire and Millionaire, but what you failed to understand is their both equally successful in their endeavors and both without college degrees.

 

[lawofsavage]

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I completely understood that they are being successful without a college degree but I do not understand how being a millionaire and being a billionaire is equally successful??? I guess if you're ever a billionaire you can just give me 999 million and you can still be just as successful.

 

[CleanMoostang]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lawofsavage</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I completely understood that they are being successful without a college degree but I do not understand how being a millionaire and being a billionaire is equally successful??? I guess if you're ever a billionaire you can just give me 999 million and you can still be just as successful. </div></div>

Well which one are you, a billionaire or a millionaire? Because unless I was either one, doubt I would be putting down their successes....

 

[-Nick-]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lawofsavage</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I completely understood that they are being successful without a college degree but I do not understand how being a millionaire and being a billionaire is equally successful??? I guess if you're ever a billionaire you can just give me 999 million and you can still be just as successful. </div></div>

Shit like this annoys the fuck out of me. People whining that being a Millionaire isn't enough. It causes bullshit like the occupy movement and entitlement among Americans. You say you understand, but your too busy trying to argue a point that was never denied to begin with about who has been "more" successful that you missed the entire point altogether...

 

[CleanMoostang]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lawofsavage</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I completely understood that they are being successful without a college degree but I do not understand how being a millionaire and being a billionaire is equally successful??? I guess if you're ever a billionaire you can just give me 999 million and you can still be just as successful. </div></div>

Shit like this annoys the fuck out of me. People whining that being a Millionaire isn't enough. It causes bullshit like the occupy movement and entitlement among Americans. You say you understand, but your too busy trying to argue a point that was never denied to begin with about who has been "more" successful that you missed the entire point altogether... </div></div>

Well it all depends on what someones definition of success is..

Personally...I'd rather be a successful millionaire with a self built organization and hard working, then a spoon fed Hilton with billions. Just how I was raised though :\...

 

[-Nick-]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lawofsavage</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
30% of Americans are millionaires if you use the net asset method (NA-NL) but that is not what most people consider a millionaire to be.</div></div>

And I'm going to call bullshit on this statistic. I want to see a link to where you pulled this gem from. A number without a reference is nothing more than an opinion...

 

[lawofsavage]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CleanMoostang</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lawofsavage</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I completely understood that they are being successful without a college degree but I do not understand how being a millionaire and being a billionaire is equally successful??? I guess if you're ever a billionaire you can just give me 999 million and you can still be just as successful. </div></div>

Well which one are you, a billionaire or a millionaire? Because unless I was either one, doubt I would be putting down their successes.... </div></div>

Neither the point was that although the American dream is still attainable it is much harder to realize today than it was 40 years ago due to many factors with the biggest being the increased size of the federal government. Today, most of the billionaires would not be able to have created their business. The secondary point was that while creating a successful business and possibly becoming a millionaire is attainable for most Americans, becoming a billionaire is not. It takes incredible timing and to be honest luck and much more time most people are not willing to sacrifice.

 

[-Nick-]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CleanMoostang</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Well it all depends on what someones definition of success is..

Personally...I'd rather be a successful millionaire with a self built organization and hard working, then a spoon fed Hilton with billions. Just how I was raised though :\... </div></div>

If success is only being a Billionaire, and being a millionaire is mediocre... I'll take mediocre over what most are now which is broke...

 

[lawofsavage]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lawofsavage</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
30% of Americans are millionaires if you use the net asset method (NA-NL) but that is not what most people consider a millionaire to be.</div></div>

And I'm going to call bullshit on this statistic. I want to see a link to where you pulled this gem from. A number without a reference is nothing more than an opinion... </div></div>

I will look for it online some where, the only place I have it written down is in my corporate finance notes.

 

[lawofsavage]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CleanMoostang</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Well it all depends on what someones definition of success is..

Personally...I'd rather be a successful millionaire with a self built organization and hard working, then a spoon fed Hilton with billions. Just how I was raised though :\... </div></div>

If success is only being a Billionaire, and being a millionaire is mediocre... I'll take mediocre over what most are now which is broke... </div></div>

I would too anyday, because I value my time and hobbies too much to ever commit enough time or mental energy required to amassing that much wealth

 

[-Nick-]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lawofsavage</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Neither the point was that although the American dream is still attainable it is much harder to realize today than it was 40 years ago due to many factors with the biggest being the increased size of the federal government. Today, most of the billionaires would not be able to have created their business. The secondary point was that while creating a successful business and possibly becoming a millionaire is attainable for most Americans, becoming a billionaire is not. It takes incredible timing and to be honest luck and much more time most people are not willing to sacrifice. </div></div>

Success is not harder to attain... People are just lazy and piss poor stewards of their money. Credit has become a must have and people forget the concept of saving and that success isn't overnight.

 

[CleanMoostang]

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Dunno if this will help..Guess we need a better census.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millionaire#United_States

 

[lawofsavage]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CleanMoostang</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dunno if this will help..Guess we need a better census.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millionaire#United_States </div></div>

That is clearly not using the Net Asset method which I said my statistic is based on. All it means is that your net assets exceed your net liabilities by 1 million. Pretty much any small business owner or someone with an expensive house or land and not much left on their mortgage would qualify under this standard.

 

[-Nick-]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CleanMoostang</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dunno if this will help..Guess we need a better census.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millionaire#United_States </div></div>

Thanks Man...

<span style="font-style: italic">"<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 14pt">Millionaire households thus constituted roughly seven percent of all American households.</span></span> The study also found that half of all millionaire households in the US were headed by retirees. In 2004 the United States saw a "<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 14pt">33 percent increase over the 6.2 million households that met that criteria in 2003</span></span>," fueled largely by the country's real estate boom."</span>

Not 30% were millionaires, but 33% increase for a whopping total of 7% if you believe wiki...

 

[-Nick-]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lawofsavage</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CleanMoostang</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dunno if this will help..Guess we need a better census.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millionaire#United_States </div></div>

That is clearly not using the Net Asset method which I said my statistic is based on. All it means is that your net assets exceed your net liabilities by 1 million. Pretty much any small business owner or someone with an expensive house or land and not much left on their mortgage would qualify under this standard. </div></div>

And yet again you produce no reference for this 30% number accept that you took notes somewhere for a class. So, riddle me this batman... If they're talking "gross" which would be the only option other than "net", and gross > net... how are you going to arrive at a number greater than there's? And if you try and claim your statistic based on primary residence value then you better support it with evidence that they included said assets mortgage debt...

 

[lawofsavage]

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I don't have any hard feeling towards you and I can agree to respectfully disagree but the only other method of calculating wealth is not "gross". A more strict method would be only counting liquid assets.

 

[lawofsavage]

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I think you should start another thread if you want to continue to discuss this as it has deviated significantly from the OP's intent.

 

[bermise]

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[/quote]I would too anyday, because I value my time and hobbies too much to ever commit enough time or mental energy required to amassing that much wealth [/quote]

So you could be a millionaire, you just choose to spend your time elsewhere?

 

[-Nick-]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lawofsavage</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think you should start another thread if you want to continue to discuss this as it has deviated significantly from the OP's intent. </div></div>

100%... Sorry to the OP for getting so off track...

 

[lawofsavage]

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I started everything getting off track and sorry as well...

 

[Remoah]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lawofsavage</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rideHPD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">. There are a lot of absolute idiots going to college right now that should really just become plumbers </div></div>

One of the top 3 wealthiest people I know personally started his own plumbing business.... </div></div>

^ Backup plan if uni degree doesn't work out.
Well actually Electrician, but in the same vein. Trades make big dough.

 

[sentry1]

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So much fail in that response. I got a Mechanical Engineering degree. That got my foot in the door with DoD.

Now I'm getting an MBA, because, believe it or not, some of those liberal arts degrees actually come with useful knowledge, which leads to promotions, and more money to be stupid with.

You know what Staff College is? It's a frickin' fancy Masters of ARTS in Management (oversimplification, go with it)! Even the military thinks such things are worthwhile for LEADERS.

Remove head from hole at extreme left/right of issue, discuss with forethought.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">much less can be said for those whom only hold BSBA/BSLA degrees.</div></div>

 

[Manny2_0]

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To the guy thinking military

If you like the video stick to xbox, it's alot more fun

But if you must,
Forget the Marines, there are better branches career wise

For example, if you wan to be part of Special Forces
The Army is where you want to be,

If you truely truely are a stud, like 1in100 then it is easy to go to special forces in the army... But You don't get to go right off the bat it takes a couple of yrs to show that you are that one guy.

It is also possible to go to ranger school to, hell even privates get to go there.... That is what an infantry unit should be standard wise... Just remember they are upgraded infantry though, like the marines

But the best service is the airforce, they have it all the best of everything.
Best chow
best facilities
Coolest bases location wise
Best girls

No gomer piles allowed.

Medicine in the Airforce Hell Yeah

or one of them preditar job anything
Or PJ's they are the shit, they are like Physican assistants practically...

I saw a couple of thems escorting generals in a hot combat zone, with little briefcases which were rigged up to shoot without taking the weapon out of the case, I assume with mp5's

Reasons not to join
for the uniform
to go to war

join cause you want to serve,
you will benifit, but you may also lose out

for ex.
you get shit bag and get kicked out
you might wind up with physical or mental health problem
you may get out and wind up with no civilian work skills
thus everyone has more job potential

truckers
mp's
supply
logistics
fuelers
mechanics
medical peeps

everyone so think about that when you choose an mos

If you can't decide, go to college a yr or two, join rotc get a feel for life ect...

 

[Munson]

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I guess I'm not fully understanding the point of this thread, maybe cause its drifted so far. College is the best investment you can make in your life. ON AVERAGE (this means exclude the .000001% of the people who have unimaginable wealth and did not attend some form of higher education), college grads make more money over their lifetime than those who stop at high school. http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/moneymatters/a/edandearnings.htm

Its ridiculous to bust someones balls because they went to school. I dont think going to college makes one more intelligent, it just gives me a sheet of paper saying I can put up with 4 years of partying and studying. But that sheet of paper opens so many more doors that will never be opened without it. Does that mean you can never attain your dreams without a degree? Of course not, but depending on what you want to do, it will be much easier if you have a degree.

As far as serving your country, well its never going to make you rich unless you make it to the 0-6 level and above and get cozy with some contractors or get some consulting jobs. But getting rich is not the purpose of serving your country, nor do I think that was the direction he was going with his initial question.

As far as feeling inspired for seeing a video...well good on you. We all get inspired watching watching someone else do something that we think is cool. The kids sitting around watching the Olympics right now and getting inspired are going to be the athletes in the games 8-12 years from now. They didn't get motivated to put in the time to compete in the Olympics from watching dad hammer up the fence or mow the yard. After the movie Top Gun came out, there were Navy recruiters waiting outside some theaters signing guys up to go fly jets for the Navy, nothing wrong with that.

If you want to join, go join. Go with the service YOU want to go with that will enable you to do what you want. Excel in your field and opportunities will be made available. If you want MORE options, go to college and then serve. Its your choice and I think its an awesome question and I'm glad you asked it. Im sorry guys let it drift so far from zero and I hope the forum helped.

 

[Graham]

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The military, like life itself, is a food chain. Before blindly joining-up it pays to realistically evaluate where one is going to be on that chain, and whether that spot is where one wants to serve.

 

[Munson]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The military, like life itself, is a food chain. Before blindly joining-up it pays to realistically evaluate where one is going to be on that chain, and whether that spot is where one wants to serve. </div></div>

Im not disagreeing with you in the least. There were so many different threads going on in this one thread that I could not cover them all.

 

[HajjWhisperer]

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It's all what you make out of it, I've seen guys go mil then college and the reverse, with varying levels of success with each. When my cousin was going to enlist the only advice I gave him was to try and choose a mos or whatever the air force calls them that would benefit him even if he got out, that way if he decided the mil wasn't for him he could get out having already learned a skill and have some college money in his pocket.

 

[Queequeg]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sentry1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So much fail in that response. I got a Mechanical Engineering degree. That got my foot in the door with DoD.

Now I'm getting an MBA, because, believe it or not, some of those liberal arts degrees actually come with useful knowledge, which leads to promotions, and more money to be stupid with.

You know what Staff College is? It's a frickin' fancy Masters of ARTS in Management (oversimplification, go with it)! Even the military thinks such things are worthwhile for LEADERS.

Remove head from hole at extreme left/right of issue, discuss with forethought.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">much less can be said for those whom only hold BSBA/BSLA degrees.</div></div> </div></div>

I never served in the military. I did work my way through college while coming up in the trades. Some general construction and then carpentry.

My kids are now in college (One about to start in two weeks...) and all I would suggest to people of that age is to understand that high school is not enough, the key to succeeding in today's marketplace is to build skills and education and most importantly to work hard and don't fuck it all up.

My wife got a Biology degree while mine is in Finance. We both were non traditional age students, much as many of the veterans are and have been since the GI bill was enacted.

The stinging criticism of my wife toward my supposedly "Easy" business major rolled off my back: I worked on average 10 hours a day (Running my own carpentry business from 84-89) back then in order to rush home, get cleaned up and attend classes til 9:00 or 10:00.

It sure seemed like hard work to me.

To the OP, I think a life free of vices, purposeful and focused hard work toward your goals and the occasional time to step away in order to strategize is a good path to follow. Good luck.

 

[pmclaine]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To the OP, I think a life free of vices, purposeful and focused hard work toward your goals and the occasional time to step away in order to strategize is a good path to follow. Good luck. </div></div>

+1, and if you are capable of this you are ahead of much of the population. People have different talents but strong organizational skills will be a multiplier for whatever skills you are blessed with. Lacking the ability to organize will result in a cluster F.

 

[bohem]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sentry1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So much fail in that response. I got a Mechanical Engineering degree. That got my foot in the door with DoD.

Now I'm getting an MBA, because, believe it or not, some of those liberal arts degrees actually come with useful knowledge, which leads to promotions, and more money to be stupid with.

You know what Staff College is? It's a frickin' fancy Masters of ARTS in Management (oversimplification, go with it)! Even the military thinks such things are worthwhile for LEADERS.

Remove head from hole at extreme left/right of issue, discuss with forethought.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">much less can be said for those whom only hold BSBA/BSLA degrees.</div></div> </div></div>

Those are rarities and you clearly have reading comprehension skill deficiencies if you came out to that conclusion after my posts in this thread. Especially considering partial quotation from comments taken completely out of context.

An MSxE degree and an MBA with experience as an engineer prior to moving to management is an extremely valuable and useful skill. I've never said anything to the contrary on that but, and this is a useful delineation for you to understand:

A BALA degree is NOT a graduate degree you can start with work experience behind you. There's a reason that few MBA programs that are highly ranked will let a candidate into the program without 3-5 years of industry behind them already.

Those that go to college to work and learn vs. those that go to party and get laid have vastly different outcomes 1-3 years after commencement.

 

[Ranger Back]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Manny2_0</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To the guy thinking military

If you like the video stick to xbox, it's alot more fun

But if you must,
Forget the Marines, there are better branches career wise

For example, if you wan to be part of Special Forces
The Army is where you want to be,

If you truely truely are a stud, like 1in100 then it is easy to go to special forces in the army... But You don't get to go right off the bat it takes a couple of yrs to show that you are that one guy.

It is also possible to go to ranger school to, hell even privates get to go there.... That is what an infantry unit should be standard wise... Just remember they are upgraded infantry though, like the marines

But the best service is the airforce, they have it all the best of everything.
Best chow
best facilities
Coolest bases location wise
Best girls

No gomer piles allowed.

Medicine in the Airforce Hell Yeah

or one of them preditar job anything
Or PJ's they are the shit, they are like Physican assistants practically...

I saw a couple of thems escorting generals in a hot combat zone, with little briefcases which were rigged up to shoot without taking the weapon out of the case, I assume with mp5's

Reasons not to join
for the uniform
to go to war

join cause you want to serve,
you will benifit, but you may also lose out

for ex.
you get shit bag and get kicked out
you might wind up with physical or mental health problem
you may get out and wind up with no civilian work skills
thus everyone has more job potential

truckers
mp's
supply
logistics
fuelers
mechanics
medical peeps

everyone so think about that when you choose an mos

If you can't decide, go to college a yr or two, join rotc get a feel for life ect... </div></div>

I have kept in the shadows here for quite a while...but after reading this response, I felt compelled to write my first post.

There is absolutely <span style="font-weight: bold">NOTHING </span>glamorous in doing what "blackwater" types do. I served in our glorious Army many moons ago, in USSOCOM, and have been a military contractor for the last 20 years (and have paid dearly). My son is currently in the Army, and has been a RANGER for the last 7 years. My father was with the 173rd AB in Vietnam, and retired from the AF.

Sure, these videos may look cool, and the money may seem attractive...BUT...in order to do this type of "work", it has to come from your <span style="font-weight: bold">heart, and soul</span>.

What you don't see in these type of videos, are the friends you will loose...the sacrifices you will undoubtedly be forced to make...and the possibility that you will loose your life, an appendage, or your full mental capacity.

Don't get me wrong, I <span style="font-weight: bold">love </span>our military, and if it is for you...go for it, balls out! BUT...do not do something on impulse because of a video.

Plus...those guys would not have made it through, if it weren't for our SO guys bringing much needed ammo, and supplies.

<span style="font-weight: bold">COMBAT IS NOT PRETTY...</span>

Whatever you decide, think first...not everyone can go from MOH and Battlefield games to the real deal.

My specific replies to Manny2_0:

"But if you must,
Forget the Marines, there are better branches career wise"

<span style="font-weight: bold">I disagree completely...all our branches serve a valuable and needed purpose.</span>

If you truely truely are a stud, like 1in100 then it is easy to go to special forces in the army... But You don't get to go right off the bat it takes a couple of yrs to show that you are that one guy.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Your statement is incorrect! It is not easy to go SF, and it does not take years. If SF is the way for someone, they can get it in their enlistment contract to go through the school upon completion of Basic...<span style="font-style: italic">making it successfully through is another thing all toget</span>her</span>.

"It is also possible to go to ranger school to, hell even privates get to go there.... That is what an infantry unit should be standard wise... Just remember they are upgraded infantry though, like the marines

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<span style="font-weight: bold">Once again you are completely off course! Ranger school, much like SF, is not an easy task to make the grade!
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No gomer piles allowed.

<span style="font-weight: bold">I take offense to your statement, "No gomer piles allowed."</span>

I'm beginning to think all you do is KP & Motor Pool, and your reply is UNQUALIFIED, at best.

 

[cz777]

Re: blackwater sniper

damn talk about throwing rocks and grenades -nicely ! Ranger Back is right plus others too ! some people cant think so get lumps and bumps!!!

 

[cvcustom]

Re: blackwater sniper

Speechless just left my team 1 month ago what some guys won't tell you is you lose a little piece of yourself but I would give my all for my brothers
I have nothing more to say

 

[Imkitfolks]

Re: blackwater sniper

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cvcustoms</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I would give my all for my brothers
I have nothing more to say

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RIP. Danny 06/28/05
This is my first post. Nice to meet y'all.

 

[sirhitalot]

Re: blackwater sniper

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bullitz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stephen Damron</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bullitz,
It all looks like fun and a good time in the video. Combat is no game. Its tough, and very nerve racking. Been there, done that. I wouldn't wish you to go. Some of us have unfinished business over there, and would go back if we could. But If you haven't been there, dont go, it will fuck your life up at one time or another. </div></div>

its not that i wanna go to combat i just thought it was cool how he was just on the roof with a couple of his boys holding it down with a badass rifle, im joining the marine corps in a year or 2 but what i really wanna do is be a gunsmith i just like guns </div></div>
My god, how old are you?

 

[KevinB-KAC]

Re: blackwater sniper

Someone please for the love of god delete this thread.

Contracting is not what it was. Salaries have dropped, as has the experience of the folks in general.

It used to be for some contracts 10 years of SOF time, then 5 years, then was saw a SOF guy in theatre, then saw a SOF guy on TV etc., ratchet back in the pay, and increase host nation input on the contracts and contractors and there was a very large brain drain.

Join the Mil if you want to, I encourage even one to do so, but it is a personal choice, a choice some are not up for.


I agree with the aformentioned comments on Ben Thomas and Travis - plus if I shot that poorly under contact, I'd never post it to the net.

 

[-Nick-]

Re: blackwater sniper

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KevinB-KAC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Someone please for the love of god delete this thread.

Contracting is not what it was. Salaries have dropped, as has the experience of the folks in general.

It used to be for some contracts 10 years of SOF time, then 5 years, then was saw a SOF guy in theatre, then saw a SOF guy on TV etc., ratchet back in the pay, and increase host nation input on the contracts and contractors and there was a very large brain drain.

Join the Mil if you want to, I encourage even one to do so, but it is a personal choice, a choice some are not up for.


I agree with the aformentioned comments on Ben Thomas and Travis - plus if I shot that poorly under contact, I'd never post it to the net.

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[SnakeDoctor27]

Re: blackwater sniper

Somebody is trying to get coolpoints I work for TC and that is defiantly not the case.

 

[Afghanvet09]

Re: blackwater sniper

To the OP of this thread. I think there is some degree of disillusionment or misperceptions going into anything (i.e., career, job, or relationship). Know what you are getting into.

Quick take on picking job, career, employer. They are all like a marriage and as important. Regardless of the type of relationship between any two parties, (wife-husband, employer-employee, landlord-tenant, etc), for the best outcome there has to be defined responsibilities, a realistic set of expections, and each party must deliver.

Remember this. Every relationship has to be "win-win" for both parties to continue to work. "Win-lose" works for a little while and "lose-lose" unravels quick.

My assessment of problem with young people today coming from the previous gen? Most are just messed up by a culture that is messed up. Garbage in, garbage out. It's just that simple.

 

[thejeep]

Re: blackwater sniper

Go to uni.

Study nursing or similar health science course.
Be one of five or ten dudes in a course of 300+ chicks.
Party half the year, study the other half.

yes there are hot girls in nursing school in college. However they get older smarter and fatter. (I'm writing this at the hospital right now)

 

[terrygood]

Re: blackwater sniper

At 19 you should avoid any responsibility, hard work or commitment. Do what ever makes you happy. Forget about direction or a career. These things will work themselves out.

You can always quit or drop out of anything. Most people in this world fail or quit everyday so don't set the bar too high. Failure is always an option.

In this world everything is temporary. You are only 19 once. So I say join the military get married have kids build up a world of debt that you will never get out of. Don't leave any stone unturned.

Dont give it too much thought or will never truly live. Who gives a shit what others think. If you join and it gets too hot just quit. Try something else.

 

[Yellow Canary]

Re: blackwater sniper

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Joseph Harris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm with Triple Canopy. Blackwater is pretty much non-existent after the fiasco in Iraq. You won't get on this type of company without a Special Forces type background. </div></div>

whats triple canopy?

I've worked for both Triple Canopy and Blackwater. In fact, I just left Triple Canopy. Morale is very low. It's just not the same contracting as it was back in the day with Blackwater. With no war to focus on; people have gotten very caddy. I would not bother with Triple Canopy.

 

[Downtown]

Wow, this might be a necro thread record. Over ten years old and pretty stupid then.