Boat Tail Angle

Grab an image of each bullet, and use an image editing tool to extrapolate angles. Or just measure the bullets themselves, but I'm assuming since you're googling, you don't have them in hand.
 
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Do we have bullet manufacturing historians on the forum? I would like to know if anyone has ever experimented with a bullet that was pointed on both ends.
i’m sure it would be difficult to manufacture, and I don’t know what if anything you might actually gain from it, but I am curious if anyone experimented with them.
 
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To get a better understanding of the effect the boat tail angle has on stability during transsonic.
Is that something you can help with or were you just questioning the question?
If you're doing this without complete 6dof modeling of the bullet, all you're doing is a wild correlation that is going to be misleading at best. And if you have access to good 6dof modeling, why in the world wouldn't you just reach out to the manufacturer directly?

Do we have bullet manufacturing historians on the forum? I would like to know if anyone has ever experimented with a bullet that was pointed on both ends.
i’m sure it would be difficult to manufacture, and I don’t know what if anything you might actually gain from it, but I am curious if anyone experimented with them.
I imagine there are pretty good internal ballistic reasons for not putting a point on the tail end of the bullet, mostly due to pressure. Essentially you would end up with less surface area in contact with the barrel, which leads to problems with concentricity and weight distribution of any given bullet, and less of the bullet to obturate against the bore of the rifle, which increases likelyhood of pressure blow by. Nevermind that sort of bullet shape greatly affects sectional density, and so you'd have to spin the bullet much faster for a given bullet weight, and then you get into bullet construction issues. Add to all that, that a tail heavy projectile significantly improves flight stability. I don't think manufacturing is the issue, I just think it would yield poor results in practice. As if to prove the point, the short range match bullets with the best performance are flat base bullets, not boat tail designs.

Long story short, you might end up with a higher bc for a bullet of that weight, but I just can't see it maintaining precision at any kind of distance.
 
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My thought was unless you made them real long, with a long bearing service in the middle, you get lots of bad spiral wobbly football action in flight lol.

My other bullet-history-manufacturing wonder has always been about round nose bullets. Historically(?) round nose profile bullets were considered the most accurate (Not counting their disadvantages at longer ranges). And I’ve always wondered if that was in fact actually true? Or was it just that way back when, when that was stated as truth, was the technology/ability just not there to make quality accurate pointed bullets?

(Conversely since people aren’t really making match grade round nose rifle bullets today, it would be hard to do a side-by-side test with any real definitive outcome)
 
My thought was unless you made them real long, with a long bearing service in the middle, you get lots of bad spiral wobbly football action in flight lol.

Too long a bearing surface and you mess up the pressure curve because of more friction, and distort the bullet more as the bullet engages the lands. Then you end up with the bad spiral wobbly football action anyways.

My other bullet-history-manufacturing wonder has always been about round nose bullets. Historically(?) round nose profile bullets were considered the most accurate (Not counting their disadvantages at longer ranges). And I’ve always wondered if that was in fact actually true? Or was it just that way back when, when that was stated as truth, was the technology/ability just not there to make quality accurate pointed bullets?

Historically when, by who, compared to what? The minie ball was a huge leap forward compared to round ball bullets, but there's a good reason they don't sell either at Cabela's in a hundred count box. In fairness, by moving the center of gravity forward, ie round nose, drag tends to hurt flight characteristics less, but you also tend to increase that drag overall. So, potato potato.

It's all compromise. Optimize your favorite variable, make compromises in the rest according to their importance. Easy peasy.
 
If you're doing this without complete 6dof modeling of the bullet, all you're doing is a wild correlation that is going to be misleading at best. And if you have access to good 6dof modeling, why in the world wouldn't you just reach out to the manufacturer directly?

None of that is an answer to my question but thanks for the response. The reason I wouldn’t reach out to the manufacturer is simply because I work during their business hours and thought someone here might actually know. If all else falls I’ll just email.
 
So the only thing I can offer is the comparision of the 168gr TMK and SMK. The two boat angle differ quiet a bit I believe it was 13deg for the SMK and 8deg for the TMK or something like that. It was a conversation I had with Phillip from sierra bullets.

Anyways long story short. Steeper boat tail angle doest do well in transition. The really good example of this is the 190gr SMK that bullet is just super stable.

*Bryan Litz also talk boats tail angle as a solid rule was 7-9 deg for stability. But that just off the top of my dome piece
 
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for the 147 eldm the others you can look up online it's free
 
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Lutz made a "double pointy end" projectile like... 15 years ago ? Not sure he even lists them on his website now.

Also, my understanding of aero / physics says "11deg and things get interesting". So I agree with Bryan and 7 to 9 deg, makes sense.
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for the 147 eldm the others you can look up online it's free
My google-fu must be broken this is what I was looking for. Thank you very much.
 
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Do we have bullet manufacturing historians on the forum? I would like to know if anyone has ever experimented with a bullet that was pointed on both ends.
i’m sure it would be difficult to manufacture, and I don’t know what if anything you might actually gain from it, but I am curious if anyone experimented with them.
Might be interesting encased in a sabot. Otherwise it would be difficult to get them to obturate in the bore and I'd have no doubts that velocity would be terrible compared to other BT bases.