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I spoke with a friend who is the head of new product development. While u r correct, technically, and that info can only be found in the spec sheet, the intent is that you get the size based in your chest size. The assumption being that a 6’4 guy isn’t gonna get a medium. He’s going to get an XL because it covers his chest and organs. So the truth is, it’s half a dozen in one or 6 in the other.You need to size the Crye PC for whatever Plate size you are buying. I know they have the sizing guide with chest measurements for some reason, but like was stated before, if you order an XL and put medium or 10x12 plates in them, there will be a lot of extra room in the plate bag as the plate bag will be sized for an XL SAPI plate.
We use Crye Carriers at work and they are sized based on the size of our SAPI plates.
Most companies size their carriers on SAPI Plate sizing, so a medium carrier will fit a medium SAPI plate and so forth. It gets more complicated because you have SAPI plate sizing, and then you have the civilian plates which are usually 10x12 with different cuts ie square, Shooter, Swimmer. Most Plate Carrier manufacturers make their medium carriers be able to accommodate a 10x12 plate also, since they are so common in the civilian realm.
I have the 4401s. When I compare my minimal carrier (First Spear SST) to my son-in-Laws mayflower w/medium esapi plates , his kit is likely 6# lighter and he has a shit load of pouches, etc. His plates are about 4.3# and the 4401s are 7.3. Doesn’t sound like much but that’s more than a full mag shingle and a small radio. Over time, weight hurts so if you’re going to spend any time in this thing buy the lightest high level plates you can afford.
My next carrier will be more like his. A “full service” carrier with some more padding, likely for a large sapi. I will say that I am finding that with my chest size I like the shooter cut plates up top. When I press the pistol forward my chest pushed the plate and I “pinch” it. A wider plate seems like it wood be too inhibiting, but that’s speculation on my part as aI haven’t had an opportunity to try a large or XL sapi.
I hate to break it to you, but any of those rounds is going to check yo shit on 4401’s Also. In fact, you may rather it pass on through than deal with the trauma you likely to get regardless of what plate you running. Haha.The difference between L210's and a true level IV like 4401's is:
- Every long-action hunting round is going to check your shit in L210's
- That 7.62x54R round in some Antifa's $100 Mosin is going to check your shit
- M855A1 AP is going to check your shit
Or.... run level IV like 4401
Stop running steel plates.
Stop running steel plates.
Stop running steel plates.
Stop running steel plates.
Stop running steel plates.
I hope that you are right because I went the 3810 route...Hesco 3810s here with Crye AVS. 3810 will stop almost 99% of shit you might face in a post apocalyptic scenario.
The avg joe blow who would actually engage in a gun fight with you is not walking around with m855a1. 99% are using regular m855 m193 of any other fmj. 3810s are rated a to stop that. Add a trauma pad and you get some added protection behind the plate.What % is almost-99%?
Gonna need to step up to the 4800 at about $1250/plate for all the protection. We can go down this road all day long. From what I've read from people who seem to know and actually use and wear plates advise maneuverability > protection. Give a little to gain a lot.
I have both 4401s and 3810s. I'm rolling w/ the 3810s. It's night and day.
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Jesus fucking christ. I hope this helps.
You use the biggest plates you can get away with. I can wear Medium, Large fits best but I can also wear XL. Most ~6'ers that aren't fat asses or bean poles can do this, they'll fit a wide range usually. I had XL plates laying around and they give best protection so I used those. It's not rocket science.
SAPI cut plates come in a range of sizes, so does the JPC. JPC comes in maritime model, this one uses swimmer cut plates, it's the only one that does. Match the plates to the JPC.
Bulletproofme.com has NIJ rated Lvl4 plates in SAPI and swimmer cuts for a good price (these have been shot the fuck up on youtube and went WELL beyond the rating). Get the appropriate plates, don't forget the side protection. Just like AR receivers, these plates are made by a few mfg.'s, then wrapped and sold by dealers as theirs. The biggest real difference in price is WEIGHT (or maybe name) --because a rated Lvl4 should perform as a Lvl4, regardless of price. LTC is one of the mfg.'s Bulletproofme.com uses, they made my plates and they also make 'em for the military.
Buy (M,L,XL) JPC 2.0, apron, cummerbund, side pockets (select maritime model if swimmer cut plates, otherwise use SAPI cut).
Buy Lvl4 SAPI cut (M,L,XL) size plates to match the carrier (select swimmer cut plates if JPC is maritime, otherwise SAPI cut).
Buy Lvl4 6x6 plates for side protection.
Follow instructions.
Look OAF.
This will also by far be the best bang for buck setup you can get, a JPC with Lvl4 plates. Quality functional shit, not super expensive (because armor does get super expensive). You'll still be in for about $1k all said and done, for something that'll likely sit in the closet forever.
You can get used IOTV's but beware the panels haven't been machine washed. Same for other high end armor kits. And Dyneema or kevlar, you don't want gimmicky ballistic weaves. Be sure any plates aren't cracked or broken, this isn't always obvious and xraying plates can sometimes cost as much as replacing them unless they're really expensive, lightweight plates.
Lol. Buy some and do some testing for that price!Buddy of mine bought plates from "Semper fi armor" for $60 bucks a piece. Says they're lvl III but I don't know, seems cheap to me.
Dismount I use a Crye SPC with a swimmer cut 3+ in it that weighs 4.2lbs a plate that I barely notice.
Any SAPI cut carrier will fit the Swimmer/Shooter cut plates in that size. A Large SAPI carrier will carry Large Swimmer's. There are no standards for Swimmer/Shooter cut, there's even Police cut (which is almost impossible to find carriers for, they're basically square plates). But the lack of standardization doesn't really matter so long as the gross sizing is correct (large/medium/etc). A Medium JPC SAPI cut will fit Medium SAPI or Medium Swimmers from anybody.
Though far from an expert, from the carrier and platesI have access to a 10x12 shooter cut, 10x12 swimmer cut and medium SAPI all basically fit the carrier the same. The plate pouch is square-ish so the plate just slides in and Velcro’s up. The difference between a shooter and swimmer cut vs a sapi is angled around the edges. They are still 10” wide and 12” tall.
It’s an expensive purchase so I get doing as much research as possible, but once you have the shit in hand you’ll realize there is no voodoo to sizing it. Use the Ferro chart, order your plates to your size. Buy a carrier made for that size plate with the gizmo shit you want or don’t want and get on with destroying your lower back and knees.
I said it twice in this thread. They are good plates, and by far the best value out there. They are light weight, but they do really well. It's crazy to pay double that for plates that are not better. I've had em for a while and just ordered another set a few weeks ago. The are like 45 days out now, but worth it. Excellent plates and again, for the money, you won't find a lighter plate that actually stops what you need to stop. There's plenty of YouTube vids testing them out and they do very well. If you've ever worn a PC all day, you know that the weight is important, and so is the ability to move in your gear and get low.Has anyone tried this or have any opinions?
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Sorry, I didn’t see the earlier posts.That's why I've said twi
I said it twice in this thread. They are good plates, and by far the best value out there. They are light weight, but they do really well. It's crazy to pay double that for plates that are not better. I've had em for a while and just ordered another set a few weeks ago. The are like 45 days out now, but worth it. Excellent plates and again, for the money, you won't find a lighter plate that actually stops what you need to stop. There's plenty of YouTube vids testing them out and they do very well. If you've ever worn a PC all day, you know that the weight is important, and so is the ability to move in your gear and get low.
Has anyone tried this or have any opinions?
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Maybe it's already been discussed, but I noticed the life expectancy of this armor and it is 5 years.............not a lot imho, but for the price who could pass it up.Has anyone tried this or have any opinions?
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Maybe it's already been discussed, but I noticed the life expectancy of this armor and it is 5 years.............not a lot imho, but for the price who could pass it up.
Can someone comment on the life expaectancy issue and what factors enter into the equation?
It's the cheap/light/stops lots of bullets matrix; pick 2.
Whatever you do, make sure that the plate is NIJ certified. Not submitted for approval, not just as good as, not exceeds NIJ. NIJ certified or its bullshit.
Second, make sure it stops M193, M855 and 7.62x39. There are some plates that will stop 2 out of the 3, but not all 3; you want all 3 as these are going to be the most likely rifle rounds you will encounter followed by 30.06, 7.62x51 and 7.62x54R.
What about 7.62 NATO M80A1?
Nobody ever said it was impossible, but likely to be a lot less common than your normal threats. Just saying. Everything it’s a trade off. If you feel you need that kind kind of protection then get it, by all means. You either going to pay for it or be weighed down or both. The idea is to not get hit regardless as I don’t want to be hit with any of that mess with or without plates!Every time someone says “my special threat plates are fine, there are no AP threats”, a Boomer loads another Garand clip with M2 AP.
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Something to keep in mind.It was a joke. Not getting hit is absolutely the best. I think the point of armor is to get you to the trauma center alive, because if you got hit in the plate that's probably not the only thing that happened to you.
Short of fighting the .mil, its not common at all. Does it exist? Sure. Is it likely? Not really.
If you had to get dressed to be able to take whatever round COULD be out there, you'd have to stay at home in the basement.
Something to keep in mind.
There may not be a trauma center, or one you can go to. You may not have the option of advanced care.
At the same time you can't wear 100 lbs of armor. So its a tradeoff and how much risk you want to accept in exchange for mobility.
Plan accordingly.
This thread is crap. So much crap that I just bought (or ordered with a long lead) a Crye JPC 2.0 (L).
Kidding aside. Glad I read through this. I have a couple rigs, but are steel plates and ordered the carriers from ar500armor. Time to invest in a decent setup, starting with a good carrier and fit out right. Thanks for everyone posting info. Next I'll grab some good plates for it.
Thanks for the heads up. I am not in a rush as I still need to figure out which plates I'm going to use. I will keep an eye on the other add ons though. I want the zip on backpack, but wasn't an immediate need so just got the carrier and molle front flap yesterday.You can find Crye stuff elsewhere. Usually for a little bit more but you get it in a few days. I ordered the zip on pack off eBay and had in three days. About $30 more than direct from Crye who said their shipping lead time was like 14 days for in stock items. I just searched eBay for Crye today and I saw some plate carriers new in large. Can't remember which colors but they were available. If you're in a rush.
Call Crye. Their site shows stuff being out, but when I called January 2nd, I was able to get exactly what I wanted in 5 business days.Thanks for the heads up. I am not in a rush as I still need to figure out which plates I'm going to use. I will keep an eye on the other add ons though. I want the zip on backpack, but wasn't an immediate need so just got the carrier and molle front flap yesterday.
The point of BA is to not have an immediate kill impact on your vitals. While yes you can die from an abdominal wound, in most cases that won't kill you instantly. The point of BA is to be able to stay in the fight long enough to win the fight or get to safety where you can get medical attention if you need it.How to advance abdominal coverage? Penetrating abdominal would may be equally fatal.
Thanks
This stuff is almost overwhelming
The abdomen is difficult to cover without really limiting mobility, but there are soft armor panels that cover the abdomen and the pelvis (Crye has them, among others like Tyr I believe).How to advance abdominal coverage? Penetrating abdominal would may be equally fatal.
Thanks
This stuff is almost overwhelming
I duct tape phonebooks around my torso.
Your arguments are invalid.