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Bolt Action Sniper Build! What to do?
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Obviously you have to have a tacticle computer. There is a special "Tier 1" and "Operator" section where you find the "sniper" job
On it...
Ghost,
So I went to the website in search of some information for who I might contact to be considered for part of this team. As I expected, that information isn't exactly readily available on the site, which I assume only speaks to the high level of danger & your obvious trend to the covert... Bravo sir, very smart indeed. However, this does leave me in a bit of a quandary as I have some experience with some black-ops missions & contracted wet-work for various alphabet agencies (I would prefer to not go into greater detail for obvious reasons). Now I suppose that I could call in some favors with some gentlemen in Washington who I have done work for in the past to try to gain access to your organization, but it has been my experience with covert groups like this that if you can have someone on the inside vouche for you, you have a lot better shot of getting a chance. So I ask you sir, where do I go from here? Please feel free to PM me as I understand if you would prefer for this information to not be readily accessible for your average civilian (along with any of the criminals & miscreants that we could potentially come into contact with, these people are VERY computer savvy as I'm sure you know). I look forward to our correspondence.
J
Calm down brother Ghost, this forum is composed of just a bunch of keyboard commandos. Not tip of Christ's spear hard dicks like you and me. You should broaden your horizons though, these non denominational justice groups dont get much action. Here at the Jehova's Witness Protection program, we goon out every third weekend. Got all the best weapons and pay (except no godamn paid holidays of course).
"When would you need to shoot sex traffickers from a thousand yards away?"
I suspect it might be challenging getting within CQC proximity to sex traffickers and their sheep.
I suspect it might be challenging getting within CQC proximity to sex traffickers and their sheep.
What if i was Muslim could I still join? Those nitwits at Christian mingle won't let me join. How else am i suppose to meet a nice Christian virgin.
Gosh I was hoping to get some tacticool info from this thread.... I feel like my shemagh and nike shoes with camo shoe laces aren't cutting it...
Its too bad he is gone as I am selling this Sniper Rifle that I had custom built for my monkey. I no longer have this monkey and it does not properly fit my other monkeys, who are also recoil sensitive. The rifle has been proven on numerous sex trade related missions. It would have been perfect.
Hey Ghost,
Sorry for all the ball-breaking. As you have figured out, we get some pretenders and wannabes on the forum from time to time and sometimes it's hard to tell initially who's legit. There's actually a few of here who are in similar lines of work, although not as cool as what you're talking about.
We tend to throw some shit at new guys to see if they're on the level and stick around, or if they are indeed pretenders and disappear once they've been challenged a little bit. We're hoping you're on the level, because spec'ing out the weapon you're looking for could be a new challenge, and we don't get many of those.
SO, from a fellow international security specialist that was quick to bust your balls, take it for what it was: an initial test. We hope you stick around and share what you can about the assignment. I wasn't joking about having a pretty good bit of experience with the international sex trade.
Cheers,
Bogey
ETA: Hey Scott, just saw your post, feel free to hit me up for your Pakistan rifle, I'm on the other side of the border and may be able to help you out.
Sorry for all the ball-breaking. As you have figured out, we get some pretenders and wannabes on the forum from time to time and sometimes it's hard to tell initially who's legit. There's actually a few of here who are in similar lines of work, although not as cool as what you're talking about.
We tend to throw some shit at new guys to see if they're on the level and stick around, or if they are indeed pretenders and disappear once they've been challenged a little bit. We're hoping you're on the level, because spec'ing out the weapon you're looking for could be a new challenge, and we don't get many of those.
SO, from a fellow international security specialist that was quick to bust your balls, take it for what it was: an initial test. We hope you stick around and share what you can about the assignment. I wasn't joking about having a pretty good bit of experience with the international sex trade.
Cheers,
Bogey
ETA: Hey Scott, just saw your post, feel free to hit me up for your Pakistan rifle, I'm on the other side of the border and may be able to help you out.
I highly doubt that someone with a "Special Operations" background as the op calls it, if legit would have to come here to ask this question.
Sorry, some of these guys can be real jerks. I would like to help. As you already are the sniper, I volunteer to be the undercover investigator.
Not true. I've known some guys with very impressive resumes that know little about outfitting their own team, but use their issued gear like a brain surgeon. Just because you know how to use guns doesn't mean you know anything about them. I've seen Counter Sniper scopes posted up on 100% vetted Recon/Sniper pages, and had no idea what a piece of shit they were showing off.
I'm a Marine Sniper with fourteen years AD time when I got out, had over five years in STA Platoons, graduated 2nd from the Advanced Scout/Sniper Course and high shooter from the basic course, taught marksmanship for two years at Parris Island, shot matches, been in combat a few times, worked overseas security contracting for the last seven years, and I've been duped before by marketing and gun rags. I own a Para-TTR, "NRA's Rifle of the Year", a $2k piece of 6moa shooting shit that Para-USA couldn't fix if their life depended on it, but researching why it sucked so bad when I shot it brought me to the Hide. Before coming here I had barely heard of GA Precision, thought ACOGs were the pinnacle of AR optics, and thought there were no worth a shit match projectiles aside from what Sierra turned out. I doubt there is hardly anyone on this board that hasn't fallen victim to the snake oil that is marketing, and been duped at least once.
Sometimes we're our own worst enemies. The "Hide Mind" is vast, full of some of the greatest pieces of knowledge you will find with anything firearms or outdoors related, but we as a whole can certainly be dicks. The "oh my God, he said 'sniper' so I'm going to fuck with him" really gets old, and is liken to a bunch of California valley girls who decided to pick on the new kid because they don't dress to the latest fashion. Now I may go after types that start throwing out SHTF scenarios who start talking about popping guys at 1k because they might be zombies or whatever the fuck, but now we're talking a different scenario where the illegal use of weapons comes into play. There's a difference between ignorance and stupidity - one can be corrected.
The OP came on here asking the advice from shooting enthusiasts who know quality and value from experience, and what is snake oil from the same. Yes, he came off differently than some new members, but instead of helping the guy out in what may be a very noble venture, the board fucks with him. Some guys get their laughs, this guy fades off into obscurity while badmouthing Frank's business to everyone he knows, nobody wins. None of us knows the OP, his background, or the details of what he has been tasked with. That's exactly why I posted what I did - Delete the thread, get vetted, research and post in a more limited forum where we all speak the same language, free of the internet trolls.
[MENTION=99293]Ghost7[/MENTION], I hope you at least come by one last time to read this. I can't tell much of what you're venturing into based on the limited info you've provided, but I have been around the business for a little while. Be wary of what you're getting into, because if you aren't backed by an actual government, it could be very dangerous. A non-profit religious NGO, rolling armed counter trafficking operations in some of the world's greatest shitholes, sounds like you're in some gray area that you won't want to be in. The fact you are outfitting yourself and they don't have anything ready to roll with all ITAR licenses right off makes me wonder even more, sounds VERY fly by night. Make very certain they have all necessary licenses, visas, government authorizations and support before you go carrying weapons dipping into what may be the local governor/warlord's honey pot of money. Watch your ass out there. Sounds admirable, but shady from the onset. It's all fun and games until you're thrown in jail without any way of contacting the embassy, and when they do they tell you "you shouldn't have broken the law" or "we're doing our best" while you're in there with the very same guys you were targeting for a few weeks stay. I have a former co-worker that went through that in Pakistan for a week, and he was an just an IT tech working a legit and licensed project while flying in commercial on a diplomatic passport. I have other friends that have done time in Iraqi and Afghan jails for the very same as well. Trust me, they don't give a shit. Keep a minimum of $5k getaway cash hidden on you at all times, you might need it.
We were all "boots" once.
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i just sex traffic'd the shit out of myself reading this.
but seriously tho maybe we should link up ghost, our organizations might be able to work together. I'm a tactical team leader on a snipering team for Jewish Jabronies Security and General war specialties. We sure like to save money on our sniper rifles, and well any gear really, so we could share perhaps how we shaved a lot of money by going with SKS sniperized rifles with counter sniper optics.
but seriously tho maybe we should link up ghost, our organizations might be able to work together. I'm a tactical team leader on a snipering team for Jewish Jabronies Security and General war specialties. We sure like to save money on our sniper rifles, and well any gear really, so we could share perhaps how we shaved a lot of money by going with SKS sniperized rifles with counter sniper optics.
Well said as usual Redmanss,
Count me among the guilty for jumping on the "fuck with the new guy" bandwagon instead of trying to help him out with his project (which I'd be interested in working myself actually).
Again, my apologies Ghost. We're here to help if you're still interested.
Count me among the guilty for jumping on the "fuck with the new guy" bandwagon instead of trying to help him out with his project (which I'd be interested in working myself actually).
Again, my apologies Ghost. We're here to help if you're still interested.
The same can be said about Harris Bi-pods or Benchmade knives. Military shooters (most members, for that) are bad about this. You get your equipment, and you train with it until you are as proficient as possible. As result, it's the best thing you've ever used. However, it's not the best there is, but it is the best thing you've laid hands on.
Although I never fell for the ACOG, I was guilty of it when it comes to SMKs.
I think for a lot of us it wasn't that it was the "best thing we'd ever used" but more that we just got so familiar with it. Hell, I still have an old ALICE pack and the mummy bag fart-sack sleeping bag. Pretty much everyone in the world now makes a pack BETTER than the damn ALICE pack, but I have so many miles underneath one, that it's comfortable to me. Same with the improved sleep systems and some of the space-aged shit available now.
In the "best compass" thread this came up as well. Most of us did our land nav with the lensatic compass. There are other compasses that offer better features, but our training and experience is with the old lensatic, so it's the gear we tend to reach for out of familiarity rather than superiority.
Oh come on. A guy from the teams can surely take a ribbing. On the internet no less. If he can't thats a pretty good indication his wetwork days should be over. I had a picture of a trident with a scope on it ready to go and everything.
This makes me think about the local guy we have here that goes to the Rush 5-6 nights a week in super short shorts and a tank top. He tells anyone and everyone about the fact that he is a former SEAL Team 6 member. He will even go into great detail about chasing Pablo Escobar around Columbia. Everyone that knows who he is knows he is full of shit. The sad thing is, he brings along his 13 year old kid and makes him spot for him during all of this.
Oh- and his best friend at the gym is a guy so jacked on roids that he sounds like a girl. He has what I call a "Hello Kitty"-style USMC tattoo. It's all bubbly and girly. He claims he was a tanker and a "spec ops sniper" in Iraq. He drinks his water from a 2 gallon gas can that he carries with him. So his nickname across the city is effectively "Gas Can".
We have some real winners around here.
We have some real winners around here.
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Back on topic. You're budget is too low for the mission. It amounts to an entry level custom hunting rifle without a scope unless you are going after those reindeers that have been assfucking each other on the autobahn. Ask for some additional money for the scope.
Welcome the Snipers' Hide, regardless of the attendant flack. Please do not assume that what has already been posted here in response is genuinely representative of the norm. I believe the best way to deal with this post is to treat it seriously and watch where it goes from there. I am assuming your tasking requires overwatch, and that longer distances would not be unreasonable.
I would suggest that the optics you have chosen may be higher magnification than could be most effective at the shorter, and perhaps more frequent, contingencies. If you can see a target, you can resolve a sight picture. I would not want a lower mag of more than 4x and preferably 3x to allow quicker target acquisition in close. I'd suggest a 3-9x higher end hunting scope or maybe a 4-12 tactical offering. Low light favors a larger objective, and 50mm seems to me to be a reasonable compromise, with higher optical quality improving low light vision and target acquisition. I find that higher magnification are perhaps more usable at short and mid ranges, where mirage can be less of an issue at higher magnifications. For observation and target identification at extended distances, this is where supporting spotter personnel with higher powered spotting optics become advisable.
I do not advise handloading as this may raise negative legal aspects. For better terminal performance, I suggest a case capacity no smaller than that of the .30-'06, and no larger than the .30-'06 for reasons of fatigue and stress during the necessarily repetitive practice shooting. If ammunition availability is especially good, the .280 employs the '06 case capacity in its best light. If less choice exists, the .270 isn't a bad choice, and the .280 is again better so long as handloading is acceptable. At the simplest, the .30-'06 id probably most versatile. Magnums may be feasible, but I prefer them not.
Most 'Sniper' rifles adhere to a 'heavier is better' mantra, which I tend to question. Unless one is leaning toward employment in sustained firefights, heavy barrels may be more weight than is truly necessary; and I must say that a 20" barrel, though widely favored, tends to contrast with my vision of an ideal length for LR employment. A good all-around compromise would be 22" to 26". If you need to cut weight (and I believe you should at least try), I'd cut down on profile before I cut down on length. Stock fit and proper cheekweld are crucial. Conversely if all your shooting is most likely to be done from prone or bench rested-like positions, there is little difference in ideal LOP, so there is little need for adjustability as long as the initial fit is good. I would favor the LOP matched to BR shooting and add a slip-on recoil pad with about a 1/2" thickness for instances where prone becomes the predominant requirement. In a pinch, a slightly long prone LOP can be used in BR by briefly craning the neck. Cheek welds can be addressed using a stock pack, and can be made field adjustable with several available thicknesses of neoprene foam sheets cut to fit.
If your needs require sitting, kneeling, or offhand shooting positions, you're far more likely to be working at much shorter distances; and an LR Precision weapon is more probably not the preferred platform.
Looking at existing factory models, I like the Savage Long Range Hunter offering, and some of several manufacturers' Synthetic Varmint models in the more substantial chamberings. When your operating area is a significant portion of the globe, staying away from custom products could be preferable from a maintenance viewpoint.
As my post implies, I am not, and never have been a tasked Sniper. My strengths come from a background of prone and bench shooting including several years shooting F Open competitions at 1000yd. In some ways, this may mean I'm less married to the current definitions of Sniper implements. None of my LR rifles have ever weighed much more than 12.5 pounds; and if I was packing one around n the bush, they'd be at least 2 pounds lighter. My background also includes a combat tour as a Marine in I Corps Vietnam, and several decades of deer hunting and NRA certified marksmanship instruction.
Greg
I would suggest that the optics you have chosen may be higher magnification than could be most effective at the shorter, and perhaps more frequent, contingencies. If you can see a target, you can resolve a sight picture. I would not want a lower mag of more than 4x and preferably 3x to allow quicker target acquisition in close. I'd suggest a 3-9x higher end hunting scope or maybe a 4-12 tactical offering. Low light favors a larger objective, and 50mm seems to me to be a reasonable compromise, with higher optical quality improving low light vision and target acquisition. I find that higher magnification are perhaps more usable at short and mid ranges, where mirage can be less of an issue at higher magnifications. For observation and target identification at extended distances, this is where supporting spotter personnel with higher powered spotting optics become advisable.
I do not advise handloading as this may raise negative legal aspects. For better terminal performance, I suggest a case capacity no smaller than that of the .30-'06, and no larger than the .30-'06 for reasons of fatigue and stress during the necessarily repetitive practice shooting. If ammunition availability is especially good, the .280 employs the '06 case capacity in its best light. If less choice exists, the .270 isn't a bad choice, and the .280 is again better so long as handloading is acceptable. At the simplest, the .30-'06 id probably most versatile. Magnums may be feasible, but I prefer them not.
Most 'Sniper' rifles adhere to a 'heavier is better' mantra, which I tend to question. Unless one is leaning toward employment in sustained firefights, heavy barrels may be more weight than is truly necessary; and I must say that a 20" barrel, though widely favored, tends to contrast with my vision of an ideal length for LR employment. A good all-around compromise would be 22" to 26". If you need to cut weight (and I believe you should at least try), I'd cut down on profile before I cut down on length. Stock fit and proper cheekweld are crucial. Conversely if all your shooting is most likely to be done from prone or bench rested-like positions, there is little difference in ideal LOP, so there is little need for adjustability as long as the initial fit is good. I would favor the LOP matched to BR shooting and add a slip-on recoil pad with about a 1/2" thickness for instances where prone becomes the predominant requirement. In a pinch, a slightly long prone LOP can be used in BR by briefly craning the neck. Cheek welds can be addressed using a stock pack, and can be made field adjustable with several available thicknesses of neoprene foam sheets cut to fit.
If your needs require sitting, kneeling, or offhand shooting positions, you're far more likely to be working at much shorter distances; and an LR Precision weapon is more probably not the preferred platform.
Looking at existing factory models, I like the Savage Long Range Hunter offering, and some of several manufacturers' Synthetic Varmint models in the more substantial chamberings. When your operating area is a significant portion of the globe, staying away from custom products could be preferable from a maintenance viewpoint.
As my post implies, I am not, and never have been a tasked Sniper. My strengths come from a background of prone and bench shooting including several years shooting F Open competitions at 1000yd. In some ways, this may mean I'm less married to the current definitions of Sniper implements. None of my LR rifles have ever weighed much more than 12.5 pounds; and if I was packing one around n the bush, they'd be at least 2 pounds lighter. My background also includes a combat tour as a Marine in I Corps Vietnam, and several decades of deer hunting and NRA certified marksmanship instruction.
Greg
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Agreed it is overused by the military. It's partly my generations fault. We didn't like being referred to as "Reagan's Rapid Deployment Force". We didn't even ask for it. We were "Carter's Hired Guns" before that. They just keep changing the name and the uniforms. Everybody wears a beret these days. But special ops doesn't translate to precision rifle shooting. The OP is outside of his element. The public. We can be cruel and even Rambo cried in First Blood because civilians and the Washington National Guard were fucking with him (I'm being facetious). We just don't get it and we shouldn't and the OP should know that. At least he does now. Only women bleed.
My post count is sort of low because I generally don't surf the forums but when I do I'm always amazed.
More than a few of you guys talk about baiting this guy along for a while longer when are you going to realize that you are the ones that have taken the bait. How does troll bait taste?
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He referenced an actual 501(c)(3) organization. I'm curious if putting together a sniper team is part of their intended purpose. Seriously, the last thing they want is for the feds to pull their nonprofit status because somebody came on here and referenced them in relation to a sniper rifle to fulfill their intended purpose. So yeah, get out your popcorn. Nobody is tasting troll bait here. Somebody fucked up.
http://www.ijm.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/financial-documents/2012-IRS-990.pdf
http://www.ijm.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/financial-documents/2012-IRS-990.pdf
This guy is on here talking about purchasing weapons for a paramilitary religious organization of some kind with which he plans, or at least wants the capability of shooting people, not game or targets, at a thousand yards.
I think some skepticism is appropriate here.
I think some skepticism is appropriate here.
You would think that organization would want to stay off the radar with respect to operational matters.
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