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Forgot to mention, Vibram soles are required for me, preferably the ones that have a little green dot on them. I've had 2 pair with that, and they were noticeably superior. Scarpas are the recent pair, and the previous ones were Merrills, also made in Italy.
I agree that older Vasques were superior to the ones you can find today. I had 2 pair of Sundowners decades ago and really liked 'em. I am not interested in boots made in China or Vietnam.